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Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?

 
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Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
September 12, 2008

How Team Obama Pays Women
Pay equity for thee, but not for me.

By Deroy Murdock

[link to article.nationalreview.com]

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A watchdog group called LegiStorm posts online the salaries for Capitol Hill staffers. “We have no political affiliations and no political purpose except to make the workings of Congress as transparent as possible,” its website explains. Parsing LegiStorm’s official data, gleaned from the Secretary of the Senate, offers a fascinating glimpse at pay equity in the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body.

The most recent statistics are for the half-year from October 1, 2007 to March 31, 2008. Excluding interns focuses one’s attention on the full-time personnel. For someone who worked only until, say, last February 29, prorating their salary up to six months’ service simplifies the analysis, since we can then double the half-year amounts to figure the annual salary of Senate employees.

Based on these calculations, Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397.

Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

Why this disparity? One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

On average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue.

When Alaska governor Sarah Palin was named the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Obama told voters in Toledo, Ohio, on August 31 that “she’s opposed — like John McCain is — to equal pay for equal work. That doesn’t make much sense to me.”

Obama’s criticism notwithstanding, McCain’s payment patterns are the stuff of feminist dreams.

McCain’s 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

On average, according to these data, women in John McCain’s office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, ceteris paribus, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart — while adding $10,726 to her annual income — by leaving Barack Obama’s office and going to work for John McCain.

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[W]omen compose a majority of McCain’s highest-paid aides. Among his top-five best-compensated staffers, three are women. Of his 20-highest-salaried employees, 13 are women. The Republican presidential nominee relies on women — much more than men — for advice at the highest, and thus, best-paid levels.

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[T]hese statistics suggest that John McCain is more than fair with his female employees, while Barack Obama — at the expense of the women who work for him — quietly perpetuates the very same pay-equity divide that he loudly denounces.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
Well if both are favoring one sex over the other, than it goes to show that neither are in favor of equal pay.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
So a "pay equity divide" in favor of women is acceptable, whereas one in favor of men is not? This seems to be your judgment.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
They both ought to be hung by the nuts.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
So a "pay equity divide" in favor of women is acceptable, whereas one in favor of men is not? This seems to be your judgment.
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Actually, it shows that McCain values the opinions of women more than does Obama.

In contrast, there's a pattern forming in how Obama views women. Perhaps, that's why he refused to choose Hillary as his Vice President.
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STFU - ANARCHY IS UPON US WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. THIS CHARADE WILL BE ENDED.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
perhaps pay is decided upon the type of work one does and not their sex?
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
...That's because McCain is paying for sexual favors!

ha,ha,ha!

...happy ending, xtra!
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
So a "pay equity divide" in favor of women is acceptable, whereas one in favor of men is not? This seems to be your judgment.



Actually, it shows that McCain values the opinions of women more than does Obama.

In contrast, there's a pattern forming in how Obama views women. Perhaps, that's why he refused to choose Hillary as his Vice President.
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I've wondered about that (Hilary) too. There have been rumors that Biden was going to split and she would join at the last minute.

All this drama for tweedledee and tweeledum, how exciting!

I wonder which one we'll be stuck with? scratching
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Why this disparity? One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.
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so basically, the average salary for women on obama's staff is lower because for the most part they don't have the higher ranking jobs. sorry, but that's not pay inequality.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
The reason women get paid less is because they don't get as much done.

Physical Labor.

First off they have all the guys doing things for her. She only has to do 60% of a days job and get full pay. Why?

The guys now have to do more work to compensate for a women who cant hold 100 fucking pounds over her head.



All jobs pay should be based on performance PERIOD.
This goes the other way around.

If a women has an office job and gets more done then the men then yes she should get paid more.

Most of the time this isn't true.
Women call in sick twice as often as men.
They chat alot more and get less done.
They have female issues and have to go to the restroom.

The day I give a women equal pay is they day they actually do equal work.

Even when I was in the Navy I had to run a mile and a half in 11 minutes where the women could take up to 14 minutes. HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT.

Women don't even have to be as battle ready as men in the military.

I dare a women to make a comment to this.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
So a "pay equity divide" in favor of women is acceptable, whereas one in favor of men is not? This seems to be your judgment.



Actually, it shows that McCain values the opinions of women more than does Obama.

In contrast, there's a pattern forming in how Obama views women. Perhaps, that's why he refused to choose Hillary as his Vice President.
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so basically, the average salary for women on obama's staff is lower because for the most part they don't have the higher ranking jobs. sorry, but that's not pay inequality.
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Perhaps. But you're making that assumption.

Recall Dee Dee Myers?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Myers holds the distinction of being the first woman to serve as White House Press Secretary, as well as being the second-youngest press secretary ever. However, she felt she was being treated unfairly on account of her gender. For instance, she revealed in her memoir that when she discovered that she had a lower salary than her predecessor, her request to have it raised appropriately was refused for budgetary reasons. When she pointed out that a certain male coworker in a position of less responsibility than herself was being paid more, they excused it as because he was older and had a family, which struck her as a disingenuous excuse for the favoritism.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
McCain and Obama are both jerks! Give it up.
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McCain and Obama are both jerks! Give it up.
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We're going to have ourselves an old fashioned two party election, and you're gonna like is mister!

Coke or Pepsi?
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McCain and Obama are both jerks! Give it up.


We're going to have ourselves an old fashioned two party election, and you're gonna like is mister!

Coke or Pepsi?
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Exactly! Water for me!
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
...That's because McCain is paying for sexual favors!

ha,ha,ha!

...happy ending, xtra!
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Combat pay for harrassment!
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"On average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue."

Do as I say ... not as I do????
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McCain has more senior female staff members who earn a higher wage. On average a lot of Obama's staff are younger and don't require higher wages.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
so basically, the average salary for women on obama's staff is lower because for the most part they don't have the higher ranking jobs. sorry, but that's not pay inequality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 500790

I agree. The article is ridiculous. You can't just say "here, the women make less so Obama doesn't like equal pay". Equal pay only applies to those doing the same level of work. The article does not address if that's what is happening here.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
so basically, the average salary for women on obama's staff is lower because for the most part they don't have the higher ranking jobs. sorry, but that's not pay inequality.



Perhaps. But you're making that assumption.

Recall Dee Dee Myers?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Myers holds the distinction of being the first woman to serve as White House Press Secretary, as well as being the second-youngest press secretary ever. However, she felt she was being treated unfairly on account of her gender. For instance, she revealed in her memoir that when she discovered that she had a lower salary than her predecessor, her request to have it raised appropriately was refused for budgetary reasons. When she pointed out that a certain male coworker in a position of less responsibility than herself was being paid more, they excused it as because he was older and had a family, which struck her as a disingenuous excuse for the favoritism.
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actually no, i'm not making that assumption.

"One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women."

dee dee myers' story is irrelevant, this isn't a case of women having the exact same job as men but making less. unless you can give me the job titles and salaries of everyone on obama's campaign staff, you're the one making the assumption that a man and a woman working the same job on his campaign are not getting paid the same salary.
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Re: Obama a hypocrite: He pays female aides and staffers less than males; McCain pays females more than males. Who's in favor of equal pay?
It doesn't matter...McCain and Obama are the same. Same people are in control of them. Look into this if you don't understand it. CFR, Tri-lateral commission, Bilderbergers, Rothschilds.....these are the handlers of BOTH CANDIDATES...they both are up front, but do not have the power you think they do.

They are politicians..they lie. How many politicians have promised you a better world/country/tax-cuts, better jobs and change before these two?????
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This is So Lame. Do these geniuses know who was part-time, full-time, degreed, HS education, experienced, teenagers?????





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