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The reason JESUS removed the Book Of Enoch from the Bible.

 
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you have a unique blend of Gnosticism and Mormonism going on here, but utterly denying Christ is what makes you special

claiming to have found an esoteric answer using Enoch is nothing new -- nor is taking a scripture here and a scripture there to form a sort of cult

I have no idea how many adherents there may be to this teaching but it's odd at best and certainly damnable heresy at worst

I suppose it gives a tremendous rush of power to point at a large segment of the world and claim they're deceived -- certainly Christians can relate somewhat -- I guess the difference would be we grieve for those we consider lost (at least we're supposed to) but you seem to gloat

the jury is out on which belief system is correct -- I choose to put my faith in the received text and agree to disagree on gray areas

your belief is in direct opposition to mine but I hope we can still be friends and continue these discussions

btw I've read Enoch and thought it was very interesting but I'm certainly not prepared to replace my belief system with something pulled out of there, even if it was written first

love ya Punisher!

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Because if it was included it would have made the Epistle of Jude look like a forgery.

But no, Issa has nothing to do with it.

Neither did Issac

or Isaiah

or Isis

Or Sarah.
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i don't think the christ fits the bill for those questions. most of what the 12 apostles said is just bull. their opinions. i've no idea why their opinions should be worshipped. and revelation sounds to me like it was inspired by drug induced dreaming.
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If you don't believe the books the Apostles wrote about Jesus, then one must ask themselves by asking you, "which Jesus are you talking about?"
again, what is yer message? are ye saying ye have proof that the christ was evil? are ye saying that ye hold the secrets of the universe? if the last is yer claim then i've no further use for yer words. if the former i'd be interested in yer proof.
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The O-P is perfectly clear, the message being that Jesus had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible in fear that the Truth would be exposed as to the teachings of the Last 12 Apostles including the last book of destruction (revelation) being EVIL, opposite of GOOD...
Divine enema ...
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2Peter:2: [4]For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
 Quoting: Punisher


God gave himself an enema with all the angels he himself created...

He is Holding till the end ...

Then he will let go and toss in a match !

Next big Bang ! in creationism ...

Hope he does the same with all bible fanatics.

but they all already shit .... converting the world to shit
insanely shit ...

Even God nose can smell it ...
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The O-P is perfectly clear, the message being that Jesus had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible in fear that the Truth would be exposed as to the teachings of the Last 12 Apostles including the last book of destruction (revelation) being EVIL, opposite of GOOD...
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show me yer proof.
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If you don't believe the books the Apostles wrote about Jesus, then one must ask themselves by asking you, "which Jesus are you talking about?"

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the one whose words i read in the bible. people talking about the christ are just noise in the wind. i have a mind and am capable of making decisions without other folks opinions.
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i don't think the christ fits the bill for those questions. most of what the 12 apostles said is just bull. their opinions. i've no idea why their opinions should be worshipped. and revelation sounds to me like it was inspired by drug induced dreaming.
If you don't believe the books the Apostles wrote about Jesus, then one must ask themselves by asking you, "which Jesus are you talking about?"

again, what is yer message? are ye saying ye have proof that the christ was evil? are ye saying that ye hold the secrets of the universe? if the last is yer claim then i've no further use for yer words. if the former i'd be interested in yer proof.
The O-P is perfectly clear, the message being that Jesus had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible in fear that the Truth would be exposed as to the teachings of the Last 12 Apostles including the last book of destruction (revelation) being EVIL, opposite of GOOD...
 Quoting: Punisher

The Book of Revelation is actually taken from the Book of Enoch. Oh my I have a whole thread on this, called 'What Azazel and Semjase hath Wrought'.
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that Jesus had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible
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Punisher, I'm curious about two things:

1) How did Jesus have the Book of Enoch removed, if the Bible wasn't compiled for some 200-300 years after the advent of Christ?

2) How did you come to believe that the "Book of Enoch" was true? I mean, obviously you read it, and like what it saw, but still; was there something more than that, which convinced you?
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show me yer proof.
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I second that.

And not Enoch as proof. You must hold yourself up to the same scrutiny you place upon us Christians.

Proof please.....
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you have a unique blend of Gnosticism and Mormonism going on here, but utterly denying Christ is what makes you special

claiming to have found an esoteric answer using Enoch is nothing new -- nor is taking a scripture here and a scripture there to form a sort of cult
 Quoting: rb 506085

I read the bible verses as they are written, I do no mental gymnastic to make things fit, and the bible doesn't fit from gospel to gospel, from old to new when analyzed with a discerning eye.
I suppose it gives a tremendous rush of power to point at a large segment of the world and claim they're deceived -- certainly Christians can relate somewhat -- I guess the difference would be we grieve for those we consider lost (at least we're supposed to) but you seem to gloat
 Quoting: rb 506085

No my friend I don't gloat, and I wouldn't be spending all this time if I were. I have a genuine concern and a commitment made long ago, one that I must fulfill, against any odds.
the jury is out on which belief system is correct -- I choose to put my faith in the received text and agree to disagree on gray areas
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The gray areas signify that GOD allowed the bible to be tampered with, because HE disapproves of it. Book Of Enoch is untampered and consistent from page to page governed by the hand of True GOD because its the Covenant made for Mankind written thru and by a man, Enoch.
your belief is in direct opposition to mine but I hope we can still be friends and continue these discussions

btw I've read Enoch and thought it was very interesting but I'm certainly not prepared to replace my belief system with something pulled out of there, even if it was written first

love ya Punisher!

rb
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Of course we will, and in the days ahead you will abandon this false god and run back to your CREATOR just like those who were enslaved in Egypt long ago, I promise...
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The O-P is perfectly clear, the message being that Jesus had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible in fear that the Truth would be exposed as to the teachings of the Last 12 Apostles including the last book of destruction (revelation) being EVIL, opposite of GOOD...
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show me yer proof.
 Quoting: Ross

Read the O-P, I cut & pasted the scriptures Enoch wrote long ago, I didn't write His Book, He did, before the old testament, before the new testament, the bible is just a forgery of the Book Of Enoch, to mislead by separating us from GOD (divide) and when we worship the false gods we die (conquered).
Oh, I see.

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There are 2 requests, will you answer the call?

show me yer proof.
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I second that.

And not Enoch as proof. You must hold yourself up to the same scrutiny you place upon us Christians.

Proof please.....
 Quoting: Oh, I see.


Proof that you are who you say you are please.....
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If you don't believe the books the Apostles wrote about Jesus, then one must ask themselves by asking you, "which Jesus are you talking about?"
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the one whose words i read in the bible. people talking about the christ are just noise in the wind. i have a mind and am capable of making decisions without other folks opinions.
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Okay then, so don't call that which is inside you by a name that's been fabricated by the bible to mislead, call that which you are connected CREATOR, for you are creation...
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The Book of Revelation is actually taken from the Book of Enoch. Oh my I have a whole thread on this, called 'What Azazel and Semjase hath Wrought'.
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Post it, I'd like to read that which you know...
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You don't know much, that isn't completely your fault. They first removed the Book in 90 AD at the Council of Jamnia, and later in 364 A.D at the Council of Laodicea, that's why the sheep are Asleep.
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Being ignorant is better than deluded. Who do you think knew the mind of Christ better than His contemporaries.
You?
The book you espouse is full of good info and parts may be of devine origin, but as a whole, it's not scripture.
Were it ment to be, wouldn't it have already happened (added), especially if an all powerful God wished it?
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show me yer proof.
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I second that.

And not Enoch as proof. You must hold yourself up to the same scrutiny you place upon us Christians.

Proof please.....
 Quoting: Oh, I see.

Been there, done that.

I've disproved the bible by using the bible.

I've disproved the bible by using the Book Of Enoch, read the O-P you'll see that its true....
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punisher-you have some serious repenting to do bro .
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Being ignorant is better than deluded. Who do you think knew the mind of Christ better than His contemporaries.
You?
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If GOD allowed the bible to be tampered with, its because HE disapproves of it. Book Of Enoch is untampered and consistent from page to page governed by the hand of True GOD of Creation...
The book you espouse is full of good info and parts may be of devine origin, but as a whole, it's not scripture.
Were it ment to be, wouldn't it have already happened (added), especially if an all powerful God wished it?
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All belief systems evolved from this Book, all the New and Old testament fundamentals came from Enoch, oldest Dead Sea Scrolls belong to Enoch, the one who writes the story first is the author of that story.

[link to www.ibiblio.org]
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I'm calling GOD down....
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what makes you think "God" ever left?
I WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action!

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The Book of Revelation is actually taken from the Book of Enoch. Oh my I have a whole thread on this, called 'What Azazel and Semjase hath Wrought'.
Post it, I'd like to read that which you know...
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that Jesus had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible
Punisher, I'm curious about two things:



1) How did Jesus have the Book of Enoch removed, if the Bible wasn't compiled for some 200-300 years after the advent of Christ?

2) How did you come to believe that the "Book of Enoch" was true? I mean, obviously you read it, and liked what it said, but still; was there something more than that, which convinced you?
 Quoting: voice 506071

Are you ignoring me 'Punisher'?
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There are 2 requests, will you answer the call? Proof that you are who you say you are please.....
 Quoting: Oh, I see.

Proof the Book Of Enoch predicted this forgery called the Bible.

1Enoch.104:[7]Now will I point out a mystery: Many sinners shall turn and transgress against the word of uprightness. (Book Of Enoch) [8]They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood; execute great undertakings; and compose books in their own words. (Bible-Koran) But when they shall write all My words correctly in their own languages, [9]They shall neither change or diminish them; but shall write them all correctly; all which from the first I have uttered concerning them.

No counterfeits, all the Books bearing the name of Enoch are governed by the Hand Of GOD. But I digress, along with the Covenant (Book Of Enoch) consisting of 5 sections which by the way the Jews and the Muslims copied from for their Pentateuch and the five pillars of Islam (oldest Dead Sea Scrolls are Enoch‘s). Can you see the consistency? Its unbelievable!

Proof the Bible is a lie. JESUS lied....

John.11:[25]Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, [26]and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die.
and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die.

When the Father decreed the following; Genesis.6:[3]Then the LORD said: "My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years."

His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years."
His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years."

Now, if we accept that Jesus is the LAWLESS one for abolishing the Father's laws, we will have to consider on how Jesus will be able to defeat GOD and allow us never to die, does anybody know how Jesus is going to defeat the Father?
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1) How did Jesus have the Book of Enoch removed, if the Bible wasn't compiled for some 200-300 years after the advent of Christ?
 Quoting: voice 506071

Just like Jesus inspired John to write the book of destruction (Revelation).
2) How did you come to believe that the "Book of Enoch" was true? I mean, obviously you read it, and liked what it said, but still; was there something more than that, which convinced you?
 Quoting: voice 506071

Yes, GOD told me at age 11.
Are you ignoring me 'Punisher'?
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I would never do that brother, can't you see me answering everyone?
Oh, I see.

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I've disproved the bible by using the bible.

I've disproved the bible by using the Book Of Enoch, read the O-P you'll see that its true....
 Quoting: Punisher


Ah, but that's not what we asked you.

Proove YOUR truth.

Or can you?
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can't you see me answering everyone?
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yeh, sorry; you do seem to sorta have your hands full...lol

Didn't mean to side track you........thanks for the fill in!
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The Book of Revelation is actually taken from the Book of Enoch. Oh my I have a whole thread on this, called 'What Azazel and Semjase hath Wrought'.
Post it, I'd like to read that which you know...

Thread: What Azazel and Semjaza Hath Wrought

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Thanks, I'll read it all, sounds good so far...
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Ah, but that's not what we asked you.

Proove YOUR truth. Or can you?
 Quoting: Oh, I see.

What exactly would you call evidence?

I've exposed the fact that JESUS lied by using the bible, now I'm using true scriptures to expose the Truth as to why that Devil had the Book Of Enoch removed from the bible.

What will suffice that I must produce other then the Writing on the Wall?

Waiting...
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can't you see me answering everyone?

yeh, sorry; you do seem to sorta have your hands full...lol

Didn't mean to side track you........thanks for the fill in!
 Quoting: voice 506071

Sure thing brother.
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Actually you cant say the book of Enoch is not tampered with, there were at least three different translations. The scripture you use to place Enoch as the son of man, (Enoch 70:17) is not in two of the translations, they end at 70:4. I do believe everyone should base their beliefs on what resonates within them, and that is what I feel you are doing, however without providing any real proof all you do is bear false witness.

No one drink the kool-aid.
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The Devil is real, and made a deal with the false teachers of the Light.

1Enoch.89:[25]Then I saw, that the man, who wrote the book at the word of the LORD, opened the book of destruction, of that destruction which the last twelve shepherds wrought; and pointed out before the LORD of the Sheep, that they destroyed more than those who preceded them.

The last 12 shepherds are the Apostles, the book of destruction is the book of Revelation, but there’s no mention of Jesus, his exclusion is the reason why he had the Book removed, people would have discovered that the book of Revelation (destruction) isn’t a good thing and would not have woe/shipped the one who inspired it, read what follows.

1Enoch.89:[26]I saw also that the LORD of the Sheep came to them, and taking in his hand the sceptre of his wrath seized the Earth, which became rent asunder; while all the beasts and birds of heaven fell from the sheep, and sunk into the earth, which closed over them.

and birds of heaven fell from the sheep
and birds of heaven fell from the sheep

These are the Fallen angels posing as “aliens” or “Reptilians” these will be removed just like the Fallen angels of Genesis before GOD sent the Flood, there are Fallen angels, they are real, I have seen THEM and continue to do so. This is why the Book Of Enoch was removed so the sheep remain asleep to this revelation, the day people wake up and realize that their Jesus who truly is opening the Seals in Revelation “is” the Devil, that’s the Day GOD descends.
 Quoting: Punisher

If you want a real wake up call, keep on reading. The book of Enoch was found with the dead sea scrolls as well and there are numerous copies of antiquity across the world.

In the book of Enoch he states that "the fallen angels taught the daughters of men how to destroy the child in the womb". Since abortion is a recent thing and we are warned that when the end comes it will be "as it was in the days of Noah" I would venture to state that we are getting ready to see some really bad things happen here on earth.

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