Excellent Commentary on the Bailout Plan in Layman's terms. Easy to Understand. | |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 09/19/2008 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Evil Twin User ID: 506462 United States 09/19/2008 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was just reading elsewhere that this, in effect, will tie the value of the dollar to real estate. Not exactly a gold standard, but something of value anyways. Of course, that source could have been full of shit, lol. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 148742 United States 09/19/2008 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easy enough to understand but impossible to justify on moral grounds. Quoting: Curio 506697Advice: When dealing with banks, it's best to leave "morals" at the door because the bottom line is your new moral. I know...from working at banks my entire career... |
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Pacnwguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 09/19/2008 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They should not be bailed out. Quoting: NebulousHow much different Is this from the coast guard rescuing some dumb ass who got too close to a hurricane, or footing the bill to rebuild houses on the coast over and over that have destroyed by hurricanes or houses and cities built in flood zones or on earthquake fault lines? It seems the taxpayers have been footing the bill for poor judgement in every sectors of the country? Why not banks? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 504501 United States 09/19/2008 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They should not be bailed out. Quoting: Pacnwguy 501628How much different Is this from the coast guard rescuing some dumb ass who got too close to a hurricane, or footing the bill to rebuild houses on the coast over and over that have destroyed by hurricanes or houses and cities built in flood zones or on earthquake fault lines? It seems the taxpayers have been footing the bill for poor judgement in every sectors of the country? Why not banks? I may not quite understand it, but my thoughts are that the banks/mortgagers should have re-financed the loans to current property owners, adjusting down the loan to the NEW appraised value. Then they don't have to find new buyers, and they don't have to pay property taxes and insurance on these foreclosed homes while waiting for new buyers. This way they would have gotten monthly payments and would still hold the title and mortgage. Way less of a write-off in my mind. ?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 502659 United States 09/19/2008 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just where is the Constitutional Authority for them to be doing this shit. Damn it is really time to be defending the Constitution.. even though Congress did delegate a good part of its authority to the FRS (something that is still questionable Constitutionally) I don't see any thing in the US Constitution about the US Federal Government Bailing out the Flipping WORLD. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 502659 United States 09/19/2008 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Welfare for the rich. Republican mantra. Nothing new to see here...move along. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505425Aboslutly WELFARE for the RICH the only difference is the Poor get maybe a couple of hundred, the Rich get Billions in welfare. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 502659 United States 09/19/2008 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They should not be bailed out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 504501How much different Is this from the coast guard rescuing some dumb ass who got too close to a hurricane, or footing the bill to rebuild houses on the coast over and over that have destroyed by hurricanes or houses and cities built in flood zones or on earthquake fault lines? It seems the taxpayers have been footing the bill for poor judgement in every sectors of the country? Why not banks? I may not quite understand it, but my thoughts are that the banks/mortgagers should have re-financed the loans to current property owners, adjusting down the loan to the NEW appraised value. Then they don't have to find new buyers, and they don't have to pay property taxes and insurance on these foreclosed homes while waiting for new buyers. This way they would have gotten monthly payments and would still hold the title and mortgage. Way less of a write-off in my mind. ?? Not only be forced to offer the defaulting homeowners (and everyone else) refinanced loans on the CURRENT value, so many many have lost value this year do to weather and fire damage anyways, but also with the interest way backed down to reality of around 4%-7%... See LaRouche's suggested treatment, just for comparison beyond that talking heads concepts and suggestions. Yet another point of view. |
Nebulous User ID: 433558 United States 09/19/2008 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They should not be bailed out. Quoting: Pacnwguy 501628How much different Is this from the coast guard rescuing some dumb ass who got too close to a hurricane, or footing the bill to rebuild houses on the coast over and over that have destroyed by hurricanes or houses and cities built in flood zones or on earthquake fault lines? It seems the taxpayers have been footing the bill for poor judgement in every sectors of the country? Why not banks? It's like putting the weasel that's been eating your chicks and eggs in charge of the chicken coop. Smart? I think not. Why, because of FICO scores and chex systems and bad credit and how YOU get punished for not paying a magazine bill that you probably didn't even subscribe to. You are a fucking criminal third rate person, but the PIGS that steal trillions get rewarded for stealing and they get more trillions out of OUR pockets. Do you see anything wrong with this little picture dear? Your Focus Determines Your Reality. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 491637 United States 09/19/2008 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another factor not mentioned here is that many homes were bought and financed for way more than they are currently worth - so even if homes are resold now, the banks will not recoup what is owed on the outstanding loan. It's certainly better to get something back on these loans than nothing, but they will be taking more of a loss than this article seems to suggest. |
Pacnwguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 09/19/2008 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes they put burn victims into a coma because the pain would kill them. It gives them time to heal. dont get me wrong, I dont believe in bail outs but sometimes there is no better solution. But there are many here who have all the answers. |
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Matrix User ID: 506998 Australia 09/20/2008 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Putting the government in the position of either protecting foreign shareholders or domestic taxpayers is like serving two masters. It is written you can't serve two masters, you will love the 1 and despise the other. With these bailouts, the government just got bigger, its the new conservatism, where the government creates yet more regulation of the domestic markets, yet promotes free trade for international markets. Tieing 1 hand behind the backs of Americans yet giving a leg up to foreigners is yet just another move to undermine American sovereignty and give yet another advantage to globalization. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 396868 United States 09/20/2008 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What horseshit. A month ago Paulson and Bernanke were saying everything was fine. Now it's a historic tipping point? They are either liars or incredibly stupid. Fuck their assessments on a "complete meltdown". It's only a meltdown for the people on margin, not the poor or middle class. |