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Imagine being given an invitaion for your execution but can't make it in time because of traffic.
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Imagine being given an invitaion for your execution but can't make it in time because of traffic.
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Not a problem. With the cooperation of several other governments, we can now come to you!!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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More information

Hard-pressed American Taxpayers Forced to Bailout Zionist Gangsters Behind 9-11

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Richard Grove is onto something here.
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Witch hunts are started by the disinformation technique of Guilt by Association. Social Networking establishes that there is a thing called Six Degrees of Freedom, meaning that every person on Earth is connected to every other person on Earth by a tree of social relationships that is six deep, or less. You (1) intimately know someone (2) that personally knows someone (3) that personally knows someone (4) that personally knows someone (5) that had coffee with President Bush (6), (or Putin (6)) this morning.

TPTB have been DataMining us for nearly 100 years, if not longer.. but they have been extremely effective the past 8 years. It is time we data mine the TPTB. But remember the Six Degrees of Freedom (connectiveness).

For instance, I (1) know my wife (2), my wife's father(3)who knows his wife (3) who a couple of years ago met in person with President Bush (4).

The Circles go out in concentric rings or shells.

Purges of any nature usually involve a fair amount of appeal to Guilt by Association being used as "part of the evidence". Guilt by Association is but circimstantial evidence, but people have been sent to the chair based on circumstantial evidence who were later (after they are dead) discovered to have been completely innocent.

This is why it is so important that Jurisprudence not be corrupted.

In other words, by enough degrees of association they can prove that you are associated with OBL and hence a terrorist to be Laser Guided Bombed.

Be very cautious in the use of Guilt by Association and such connective links because it can be used to put a noose around your own neck.

Propoganda makes wide use of guilt by association... simply because it is so flexible and so many people will judge anyone guilty merely because the accused knows someone... guilty until proven innocent, and even then still held in the public mind to be guilty and distained as such.

However, the connectiveness can produce leads that then can turn up physical evidence that can hold up in a court of law and with which a jury might find enough reason to remove all reasonable doubt.

But, yes, it is time for the Public to start doing some data mining of their own where TPTB are concerned.
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What if 911 happened to cover up the coming crash of the stock market? To put a band aid on the inevitable. The government goes to war with fake enemies to drum up the lucrative financial profits of war.
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PIN THIS IF IT ISN'T ALREADY
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The mode of operation of the high and mighty -- Drunks!
Other modes of operation of the Past - Drugged-up!

Insiders?
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The list for those that are going to meet Mr. Rope is getting longer!
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Your joking right? No one person except for Barry Seal met the rope in Iran-Contra. Hell the same dudes are in power.

Meet the rope, ha.
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The mode of operation of the high and mighty -- Drunks!
Other modes of operation of the Past - Drugged-up!

Insiders?
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what?
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The list for those that are going to meet Mr. Rope is getting longer!


Your joking right? No one person except for Barry Seal met the rope in Iran-Contra. Hell the same dudes are in power.

Meet the rope, ha.
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No Justice, No Peace. Chances of these crooks dying a natural death rather than being brought to justice are just about 90%+....


God will cut them down, until then, GET MAD, GET ANGRY, AND RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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Oh, you think the rich and famous do not drink? Is that right? Listen, you want to listen to their version of religion along with the other at the other end?

Let me tell you. There are people who never thought of making any Pact with anything because the attitudes were already coming out years ago. They kept going around like they all are Preachers. Now again, oh, we will have to bail them out. The taxpayers that is. Oh, we should be more religious? Explain where they got their divinity degree from? They did not. None of them.
And that is why some of us do not make Pacts. It's tends to be Evil.
(and usually against others and the law in the end maybe even God. What if God did that? There be Armageddon?)
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Oh, you think the rich and famous do not drink? Is that right? Listen, you want to listen to their version of religion along with the other at the other end?

Let me tell you. There are people who never thought of making any Pact with anything because the attitudes were already coming out years ago. They kept going around like they all are Preachers. Now again, oh, we will have to bail them out. The taxpayers that is. Oh, we should be more religious? Explain where they got their divinity degree from? They did not. None of them.
And that is why some of us do not make Pacts. It's tends to be Evil.
(and usually against others and the law in the end maybe even God. What if God did that? There be Armageddon?)
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What on God's green earth are you ranting about?

rant
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Imagine being given an invitaion for your execution but can't make it in time because of traffic.


Not a problem. With the cooperation of several other governments, we can now come to you!!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Jeesh. Like the EPA van that picked up Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie in the The Simpson's Movie.
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Great interview...above 5 stars if that's possible !

Now for a chilling story who actually owns your stocks...posted by Ming The Mechanic back in 2003, but with some current comments...read it and weep !

[link to ming.tv]
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The fascists talk about money, crises, wars, terrorists, oil, politics, etc.

If you want to know what is driving all of this, think about what it is that they don't talk about, what exists but which they deny.

COSMIC DECEPTION: LET THE CITIZEN BEWARE

by Steven M. Greer M.D.
Director, The Disclosure Project

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Copyright 2002



Imagine this. It is the summer of 2001, and someone presents you with a script for a movie or book that tells how a diabolical terrorist plot unfolds wherein both 110 story World Trade Center towers and part of the Pentagon are destroyed by commercial jets hijacked and flown into those structures.

Of course you would laugh, and if you were a movie mogul or book editor, reject it out of hand as ridiculous and implausible, even for a fictional novel or movie. After all, how could a commercial jet, being tracked on radar after two jets had already hit the World Trade towers, make it through our air defenses, into the most sensitive airspace in the world, and in broad daylight on a crystal clear day, slam into the Pentagon! And this in a country that spends over $1 billion a day to defend itself! Absurd, illogical - nobody would swallow it!

Unfortunately, there are some of us who have seen these scripts - and of far worse things to come - and we are not laughing.

One of the few silver linings to these recent tragedies is that maybe - just maybe - people will take seriously, however far-fetched it may seem at first, the prospect that a shadowy, para-governmental and transnational entity exists that has kept UFOs secret - and is planning a deception and tragedy that will dwarf the events of 9/11.

The testimony of hundreds of government, military and corporate insiders has established this: That UFOs are real, that some are built by our secret 'black' shadowy government projects and some are from extraterrestrial civilizations, and that a group has kept this secret so that the technology behind the UFO can be withheld - until the right time. This technology can - and eventually will - replace the need for oil, gas, coal, ionizing nuclear power, and other centralized and highly destructive energy systems.

This 5 trillion dollar industry - energy and transportation - is currently highly centralized, metered and lucrative. It is the stuff that runs the entire industrialized world. It is the mother of all special interests. It is not about money as you and I think of it, but about geo-political power - the very centralized power on which the current order in the world runs. The world is kept in a state of roiling wars, endless poverty for most of Earth's denizens and global environmental ruin, just to prop up this evil world order.

As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space.

To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.

Since 1992 I have seen this script unveiled to me by at least a dozen well-placed insiders. Of course, initially I laughed, thinking this just too absurd and far-fetched. Dr. Rosin gave her testimony to the Disclosure Project before 9/11. And yet others told me explicitly that things that looked like UFOs but that are built and under the control of deeply secretive 'black' projects, were being used to simulate - hoax - ET-appearing events, including some abductions and cattle mutilations, to sow the early seeds of cultural fear regarding life in outer space. And that at some point after global terrorism, events would unfold that would utilize the now-revealed Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs, or reversed-engineered UFOs made by humans by studying actual ET craft - see the book "Disclosure" by the same author) to hoax an attack on Earth.

Like the movie "Independence Day", an attempt to unite the world through militarism would unfold using ET as the new cosmic scapegoat (think Jews during the Third Reich).

None of this is new to me or other insiders. The report from Iron Mountain, NY, written in the 1960s, described the need to demonize life in outer space so we could have a new enemy. An enemy off-planet that could unite humans (in fear and war) and that would prove to be the ultimate prop for the trillion dollar military industrial complex that conservative Republican President and five star general Eisenhower warned us about in 1961 (no one was listening then, either...).

So here is the post-9/11 script - one that will be played out unless enough people are informed and the plan can be foiled because they will be unable to fool a sufficient number of citizens and leaders:

After a period of terrorism - a period during which the detonation of nuclear devices will be threatened and possibly actuated, thus justifying expanding the weaponization of space - an effort will ramp up to present the public with information about a threat from outer space. Not just asteroids hitting the Earth, but other threats. An extraterrestrial threat.

Over the past 40 years, UFOlogy, as it is called, combined with a mighty media machine, has increasingly demonized ETs via fearsome movies like "Independence Day", and pseudo-science that presents alien kidnappings and abuse as a fact (in some circles) of modern life. That some humans have had contact with ETs I have no doubt; that the real ET contact has been subsumed in an ocean of hoaxed accounts I am certain.

That is, real ET events are seldom reported out to the public. The Machine ensures that the hoaxed, frightening and intrinsically xenophobic accounts are the ones seen and read by millions. This mental conditioning to fear ET has been subtly reinforced for decades, in preparation for future deceptions. Deceptions that will make 9/11 look trivial.

I write this now because I have recently been contacted by several highly placed media and intelligence sources that have made it clear to me that hoaxed events and story-lines are imminent that will attempt to further ramp up the fear machine regarding UFOs and ETs. After all, to have an enemy, you must make the people hate and fear a person, a group of people, or in this case an entire category of beings.

To be clear: the maniacal covert programs controlling UFO secrecy, ARVs and related technologies - including those technologies that can simulate ET events, ET abductions and the like - plan to hijack Disclosure, spin it into the fire of fear, and roll out events that will eventually present ETs as a new enemy. Do not be deceived.

This hogwash, already the stuff of countless books, videos, movies, documentaries and the like, will attempt to glom onto the facts, evidence and first-hand insider testimony of The Disclosure Project, and on its coattails, deliver to the world the cosmic deception that falsely portrays ETs as a threat from space. Do not be deceived.

By commingling fact with fiction, and by hoaxing UFO events that can look terrifying, the Plan is to eventually create a new, sustainable, off-planet enemy. And who will be the wiser?

You will. Because now you know that after 60 years, trillions of dollars and the best scientific minds in the world pressed into action, a secretive, shadowy group - a government within the government and at once fully outside the government as we know it - has mastered the technologies, the art of deception, and the capability to launch an attack on Earth and make it look like ETs did it. In 1997, I brought a man to Washington to brief members of Congress and others about this plan. Our entire team at the time met this man. He had been present at planning sessions when ARVs - things built by Lockheed, Northrup, et al, and housed in secretive locations around the world - would be used to simulate an attack on certain assets, making leaders and citizens alike believe that there was a threat from space, when there is none. (Before he could testify, his handlers spirited him away to a secret location in Virginia until the briefing was over...) Sound familiar? Wernher von Braun warned of such a hoax, as a pretext for putting war in space. And many others have warned of the same.

Space based weapons are already in place - part of a secret parallel space program that has been operating since the 1960s. ARVs are built and ready to go (see the book "Disclosure" and the chapter with the testimony of Mark McCandlish, et al). Space holographic deception technologies are in place, tested and ready to fire. And the Big Media is a pawn, now taking dictation from the right hand of the king.

I know this all sounds like science fiction. Absurd. Impossible. Just like 9/11 would have sounded before 9/11. But the unthinkable happened and may happen again, unless we are vigilant.

Combine all of this with the current atmosphere of fear and manipulation and there is a real risk of suspending our collective judgment and our constitution.

But know this: If there was a threat from outer space, we would have known about it as soon as humans started exploding nuclear weapons and going into space with manned travel. That we are still breathing the free air of Earth, given the galacticly stupid and reckless actions of an out of control, illegal, secret group, is abundant testimony to the restraint and peaceful intentions of these visitors. The threat is wholly human. And it is we who must address this threat, rein it in and transform the current situation of war, destruction and secret manipulation to one of true Disclosure and an era of sustained peace.

War in space, to replace war on Earth, is not evolution, but cosmic madness. A world thus united in fear is worse than one divided by ignorance. It is now time for the great leap into the future, a leap that moves us out of fear and ignorance and into an unbroken era of universal peace. Know that this is our destiny. And it will be ours just as soon as we choose it.

Steven M. Greer M.D.
Director, The Disclosure Project
Albemarle County, Virginia
June, 2002
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These people aren't human. They just aren't.
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These people aren't human. They just aren't.
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These people aren't human. They just aren't.
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Their lust for power and fear of losing it make them do insane acts.
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wow, I feel like I just stepped into wonderland, but is just our world behind what see.

10 stars!
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great interview, please consider listening.

peace
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It is.
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THIS SHOULD NEVER BE UNPINNED!

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people spread this link to all forums on the net!!!

Even porn forums

Spread it!


-peace
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What is the Site they are speaking of from the Videos - atesteak.com or 8stake - or something???
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THIS SHOULD NEVER BE UNPINNED!

NEVER!!!

people spread this link to all forums on the net!!!

Even porn forums

Spread it!


-peace
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I agree. Guerilla-style Truth!!!!


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What is the Site they are speaking of from the Videos - atesteak.com or 8stake - or something???
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great video OP thanks.
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Regarding AIG. Can anyone confirm this? Did anyone else hear this last night?
For what it's worth, I was semi listening to Lou Dobbs last night, so I may have missed a few points, but this is what I thought I heard: One guest (don't know his name) angrily shouted that AIG ( remember, Federal Reserve has stepped in with an $85-billion loan to prevent the bankruptcy of AIG, the world's largest insurer)
AIG has 20 million dollars in OFF SHORE accounts on which they have NOT paid TAXES, ever. I gathered that they still have it there, after their bailout and still will not contribute to the US Tax base, the very people who have saved them. I wonder, where is the Justice in that? Where is the patriotism, the common sense. ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED SEEMS TO BE CRIMINAL.
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Regarding AIG. Can anyone confirm this? Did anyone else hear this last night?
For what it's worth, I was semi listening to Lou Dobbs last night, so I may have missed a few points, but this is what I thought I heard: One guest (don't know his name) angrily shouted that AIG ( remember, Federal Reserve has stepped in with an $85-billion loan to prevent the bankruptcy of AIG, the world's largest insurer)
AIG has 20 million dollars in OFF SHORE accounts on which they have NOT paid TAXES, ever. I gathered that they still have it there, after their bailout and still will not contribute to the US Tax base, the very people who have saved them. I wonder, where is the Justice in that? Where is the patriotism, the common sense. ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED SEEMS TO BE CRIMINAL.
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OK. Just found transcript of last night's program and I did hear it...although, 20 billion, not million... Last remark of JOHNSTON...


DOBBS: Well, joining me now, three of the country's pre-eminent financial experts. Bill Gross is the founder of Pimco. It is the world's largest bond fund. Bill, it's great to have you with us.

BILL GROSS, FOUNDER, PIMCO: Thank you, Lou.

DOBBS: David Cay Johnston, Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist, author of "Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense." What a timely subtitle. David, good to have you with us.

And Robert Kuttner, co-editor of the "American Prospect," author of the very timely book "The Squandering of America: How the Failure of our Politics Undermines Our Prosperity." Great to have you all here.


JOHNSTON: Lou, can we have transparency in this thing? This is unreviewable decisions or the Democrats or talking about arbitrary and capricious would be reviewable. We ought to have control exposure and let's keep in mind, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley want in on this deal. That ought to tell you something about the pricing and the arrangement of this deal, because they're experts on pricing. They want in on it. It can't be that bad a deal for them. It must be pretty good.

DOBBS: I think that's absolutely right. The few folks I talked to on Wall Street here in the last day or so, they think there's a lot of money to be made here. I don't like the sound of that right now under these circumstances. Bill, how about capping executive compensation for firms receiving federal guarantees or bailouts? What do you think?

GROSS: I think the way to go is really equitization in terms of the government's stake. You want the government to be able to participate in these deals. They've done that with AIG. I think they're going in the right direction.

DOBBS: All right. And just to be clear, go ahead quickly, then we've got to wrap.

JOHNSTON: AIG has got about $20 billion in offshore profits. Why as a condition of our bailing them out aren't they required to bring that money home and pay taxes on it?

DOBBS: Anybody want to answer that?

END.

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