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God's creation vs. Science
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Uh oh!
User ID: 506673
9/21/2008 12:29 PM
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According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[link to www.biblegateway.com] |
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voice
User ID: 506254
9/21/2008 12:33 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Good catch OP! Obviously, the writers of the bible weren't thinking as clearly as they should have been.......lol |
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The_Venerable
User ID: 412220
9/21/2008 12:35 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
God created science. He created evolution. It's not hard to understand. |
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FallenAwaken
User ID: 507726
9/21/2008 12:36 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Science..Religion...Neither are the fully correct answer.. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 506673 (OP)
9/21/2008 12:38 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
God created science. He created evolution. It's not hard to understand.
Then why didn't God mention evolution in the bible?
why is the genesis timeline all screwed up? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 506673 (OP)
9/21/2008 12:39 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Science..Religion...Neither are the fully correct answer.. Quoting: FallenAwaken 507726
Correct.
But one is based on faith, the other is based on actual evidence. Take your pick! |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 1:23 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives? Quoting: Uh oh! 506673
Firstly, there was a sun, and a moon.
Secondly, the word used for vegetation in the Hebrew is to RECREATE, meaning the vegetation was dormant. Meaning it was ALREADY here, but not actively able to photosynthesize.
The earth existed prior to Genesis 1:2.
Many scholars and historians use common sense in surmising there was some sort of cloud surrounding the earth that prevented the full sunlight from reaching it. Thus, why the vegetation lie dormant.
The earth was in a holding state because of the fall of Lucifer. After the fall of Lucifer the earth was without form and void. It existed, but it was without active life.
Further, when it comes to creation of man, the Hebrew word is to create from NOTHING.
So, word used for vegetation = RECREATE
Word used for man = CREATE FROM NOTHING
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures. Quoting: Uh oh! 506673
That is a weak argument. But, one that some scientists ascribe to.
Birds did not evolve from land animals.
Evolution has recently been for the most part, disproven.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science? Quoting: Uh oh! 506673
It is perfect science. God is the supreme scientist.
God's ways are higher than your ways.
Do you truly believe that he is subject to your puny human reasoning?
Give me a break.
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 323570
9/21/2008 1:24 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
science lied |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249919
9/21/2008 1:37 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
OP
There was light on the FIRST day. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 504501
9/21/2008 1:46 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
Where does any process begin? In the mind. The mind is non-local and without form.
WATER represents consciousness
DARKNESS represents unawareness within consciousness.
LIGHT represents AWARENESS within consciousness.
BIRDS represent thoughts.
FISH represent ideas.
The land represents manifestation of ideas (the physical).
Thus evolution is the whole process from seeming NO-THING to SOME-THING. It's ongoing, by the way.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427590
9/21/2008 1:47 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Science..Religion...Neither are the fully correct answer..
Correct.
But one is based on faith, the other is based on actual evidence. Take your pick! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 506673
Which is which? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 427590
9/21/2008 1:48 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
I've got a better one.
Me vs. Religion and Science
I say I win because I am not arrogant enough to think that I know the answers. |
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Follower of Jesus
User ID: 507164
9/21/2008 1:51 PM
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According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden.
You probably won't get it but I thought I would put it out there for someone that is seeking God as opposed to the one's that are trying to disprove God. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 504501
9/21/2008 1:55 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden.
You probably won't get it but I thought I would put it out there for someone that is seeking God as opposed to the one's that are trying to disprove God. Quoting: Follower of Jesus
OR.....the first chapter is talking about the mental aspect of creation (the blueprint, so to speak) and the second chapter is talking about the physical aspect (or evolution in process from mental to physical).
??? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249919
9/21/2008 1:55 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
According to the book of Genesis, God created vegetation (the 3rd day) before he created the sun or the moon (4th day). Obviously, vegetation cannot grow without sun light.
So what gives?
Also, according to Genesis, birds were created before land creatures. Birds created on the 5th day, land creatures created on the 6th day.
This model goes entirely against evolution.
According to the evolutionary model, birds evolved from land dwelling creatures.
So what can explain God's unusual time line of creation that goes against science?
Genesis:
[ link to www.biblegateway.com]
One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden.
You probably won't get it but I thought I would put it out there for someone that is seeking God as opposed to the one's that are trying to disprove God.
Yes, Chapter two is talking about the creation of Eden (and Adam and Eve).
The first chapter is chronicling the creation of mankind and animal life as a whole. |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 1:57 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
But one is based on faith, the other is based on actual evidence. Take your pick! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 506673
WRONG!
Scientists have NO PROOF of evolution, only a THEROY.
Meaning, they have FAITH that they are correct.
So evolution is based on…………….FAITH!!!
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden. Quoting: Follower of Jesus
Where did you get this idea?
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Follower of Jesus
User ID: 507164
9/21/2008 1:59 PM
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One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden.
You probably won't get it but I thought I would put it out there for someone that is seeking God as opposed to the one's that are trying to disprove God.
OR.....the first chapter is talking about the mental aspect of creation (the blueprint, so to speak) and the second chapter is talking about the physical aspect (or evolution in process from mental to physical).
??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 504501
 I just spit out my drink...please warn me before you say stuff like that! Thanks. LOL |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249919
9/21/2008 2:01 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden.
Where did you get this idea? Quoting: Oh, I see.
It is 'Bible'. Read Gen. chapter 1 and 2 and compare them. The accounts are different. |
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Follower of Jesus
User ID: 507164
9/21/2008 2:04 PM
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One part of Genesis is taking about the creation of Earth; the other is talking about the creation of the Garden of Eden.
Where did you get this idea? Quoting: Oh, I see.
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground (adamah) it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20). from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
From the bible I got this. God says it very clearly in Chapter 2 verse 4 of Genesis that he is about to describe the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve where created. Don't get too deep or you will make more of it than it is. |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 2:04 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
It is 'Bible'. Read Gen. chapter 1 and 2 and compare them. The accounts are different. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249919
That's just silly.
I have studied Genesis in both English and Hebrew for years.
This is not Biblical.
But, I respect your right to believe this since you so choose.
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 480668
9/21/2008 2:05 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Science..Religion...Neither are the fully correct answer..
Correct.
But one is based on faith, the other is based on actual evidence. Take your pick! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 506673
They found the Pharaohs army at the bottom of the red sea.
They found the real Mt Sinai at Jebel Al Lawz in Saudi Arabia. Top of the mountain has stone that has been superheated to convert to volcanic glass, but no volcanic activity anywhere near it. Top of the entire mountain is black.
Your analysis is erred to put it mildly... |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 2:06 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
From the bible I got this. God says it very clearly in Chapter 2 verse 4 of Genesis that he is about to describe the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve where created. Don't get too deep or you will make more of it than it is. Quoting: Follower of Jesus
With all due respect, I find this to be in error.
But, if it works for you, so be it my friend.
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Follower of Jesus
User ID: 507164
9/21/2008 2:07 PM
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From the bible I got this. God says it very clearly in Chapter 2 verse 4 of Genesis that he is about to describe the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve where created. Don't get too deep or you will make more of it than it is.
With all due respect, I find this to be in error.
But, if it works for you, so be it my friend. Quoting: Oh, I see.
Please tell me how you think the first few chapters of Genesis went? I am serious please tell. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249919
9/21/2008 2:09 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
It is 'Bible'. Read Gen. chapter 1 and 2 and compare them. The accounts are different.
That's just silly.
I have studied Genesis in both English and Hebrew for years.
This is not Biblical.
But, I respect your right to believe this since you so choose. Quoting: Oh, I see.
Not silly - it is truth.
You better study some more. This time - ask for God's guidance, as I did. |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 2:11 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Please tell me how you think the first few chapters of Genesis went? I am serious please tell. Quoting: Follower of Jesus
Ok. Give me a bit to type it up.
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 2:12 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Not silly - it is truth.
You better study some more. This time - ask for God's guidance, as I did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249919
Have you ever read the Hebrew Bible? I have.
It will shed new light on your experience.
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Follower of Jesus
User ID: 507164
9/21/2008 2:25 PM
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Not silly - it is truth.
You better study some more. This time - ask for God's guidance, as I did.
Have you ever read the Hebrew Bible? I have.
It will shed new light on your experience. Quoting: Oh, I see.
OP have you ever read the book "Refuting Compromise" by Jonathan Sarfati?
I have not read it yet but have the book and plan on reading it shortly.
Apparently he expains things in great detail and takes everyone that was anyone into account in his writing.
Might be a good one to pick up and read, but be prepared to take your time thru this one! |
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Oh, I see.
User ID: 491539
9/21/2008 2:28 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Chapter 1 verse 1:
In the beginning, God:
The day of creation Bara.
(Bara= Hebrew, To create from nothing)
Prior to the fall of Lucifer, and Genesis 1:2, the world already existed.
Chapter 1 verse 2-31
The 6 days of creation. (asah = Hebrew for recreate)
Man is the exception, the word used for man is Bara.
Chapter 2 7-14
CREATION COMPLETE
God is using what is already there to PLANT Eden, not create Eden.
Perhaps this is what you meant?
"Sin is not hurtful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is hurtful." -Ben Franklin |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 249919
9/21/2008 2:30 PM | | Re: God's creation vs. Science | Quote |
Not silly - it is truth.
You better study some more. This time - ask for God's guidance, as I did.
Have you ever read the Hebrew Bible? I have.
It will shed new light on your experience. Quoting: Oh, I see.
No I have not but I do use a Strong's concordance for meanings of words.
If you will read chapter 1 and 2 of Gen. and compare you will find differences in th accounts of creation.
One in Point:
In this first account of animals being created on the 5th day:
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
BUT in the chapter two it says this:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
You will notice that in the 2nd account Adam was created FIRST then the plants and animals. (he even named them)
This is a different creation than the first account in chapter one. |
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Follower of Jesus
User ID: 507164
9/21/2008 2:38 PM
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Chapter 1 verse 1:
In the beginning, God:
The day of creation Bara.
(Bara= Hebrew, To create from nothing)
Prior to the fall of Lucifer, and Genesis 1:2, the world already existed.
Chapter 1 verse 2-31
The 6 days of creation. (asah = Hebrew for recreate)
Man is the exception, the word used for man is Bara.
Chapter 2 7-14
CREATION COMPLETE
God is using what is already there to PLANT Eden, not create Eden.
Perhaps this is what you meant? Quoting: Oh, I see.
Then how do you explain the difference between chapt 1 of Genesis and chapter 2
What are each of the accounts?? |
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