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| I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society.
| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 6:40 AM
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 6:49 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
Are you the spanish guy that got 495.000euros from the banks on loan with false credentials then made a run for it and wrote a book about it? The antisystem guy? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378797
9/23/2008 6:51 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
Mods you should pin this. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 6:55 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
ZETAS RIGHT AGAIN!!  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378797
9/23/2008 6:58 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
Yup thats the guy. Mods the implications and ripples of this are huge. This deserves a pin.
From Link:
I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society.
I am writing down this pages to announce that I have expropriated 492,000 euros to 39 banks through 68 loan deals. If we include interest on arrears, the present amount of debt is over 500,000 euros which I will not pay.
It has been an individual disobedience action towards banking that I have carried out deliberately to denounce the bank system and to use the money for supporting initiatives which alert from systemic crisis that we are starting to live and which intend to build an alternative society.
It is an action totally unconnected to any violence form, that I claim as a new way of civil disobedience, up to the height of the times we are living. When consumption financing and speculation are dominant in our society, what could be better than robbing the ones who rob us and distribute the money among the groups which are denouncing this situation and building alternatives?
List of bank entities affected.
How could I get such amount of money without neither properties nor bank guarantees?
After some research and attempts, in the spring of 2006, I started going ahead decidedly with this idea; I was making various banks, savings banks and financial credit establishments think that I wanted to refurbish my flat or buy a new car. In some cases, I was doing that by using a company I incorporated with the aim of justifying certain investments, such as the purchase of audiovisual equipment for a production company.
The advantage of asking for a loan through a company is that company debts, even when this is a sole shareholder company, do not get registered in one's personal credit history, so you can always increase your debts indefinitely without being detected by CIRBE (the information system for debts from the Bank of Spain). There are some other ways to deceive CIRBE, which I will tell to anybody wanting to carry out an action with a similar purpose than that to mine.
These loans were applied without any guarantee neither from another person nor from any properties, just by my signature and an invented occupation with a great false payslip which made them believe I was earning enough money to cover the financing by far. The crux of the matter is that banks have no way of checking wether the payslip one presents to them is real or not, as long as the company and the person really exist.
I also had to present them some right bank statements, which I got circulating money from company accounts to personal accounts through payroll transfers, in order to pretend I had some personal income, all of which banks were believing blindly. In some cases, banks asked me for an employment contract, my Income Tax Return report or my work history. They were asking my companies for the quarterly VAT return and, if they had been incorporated longer than a year, they also requested the Corporate Income Tax.
All these documents can be duly provided: sometimes with real information and in cases is which this is not possible, a printer, a photocopier, a pair of scissors and sellotape work wonders!
In certain cases, I had to buy the car I had asked the loan for and then I had to sell everything before I stopped paying, so like this they would not seize anything and so we could have more funds to finance popular struggles.
My action may seem striking, getting 492,000 euros with no bank guarantees in an economic downturn context, but all it shows is how the banking system promotes indebtedness from families regardless of any control or any risks contingency plans and common sense.
In conclusion, there is a fact which can help us understand the possibilities and opportunities that exist for this kind of action: banks need to grant loans because that is the main way for them to get benefits and, as we have already explained in a previous article, because the financial system needs to sign out more and more bank credits to create more and more money. It is a wheel that will not stop until the system brings to a standstill. As individuals, instead of keeping on helping the wheel to roll by asking for loans for production or consumption, we have the opportunity and responsibility to make things harder for the current system, making them believe that we want some loans so that they think they will create this money thanks to us. Afterwards, by not giving back these loans, we make this money disappear, as well as that amount created out of the blue from the guarantee we had signed for refunding debts. This system works on the basis of trust, so if we can spread mistrust by carrying on similar actions, we will then be able to abolish it (destroy it?)!
Why this action?
The previously mentioned and analised crisis was to be expected especially in its energy aspect. Three years ago, I heard about peak oil theories and I thought that when the crisis triggered it would be fundamental for us to be ready to face it. This could be an opportunity for social change, a time to make the most of it. But if we were not getting ready for it, future could
turn even worse than the situation we are living at the moment, as shortage management by economic and politic authorities could lead us into new ways of fascism.
When talking about social transformation, one of the main problems we face nowadays is the fact that it is difficult to identify the main enemies. As we have seen in the article dealing with the financial system, there are hidden and evil mechanisms which allow the money creation process to be controlled by a minority and, for that reason, they make the economic system work in accordance with their interests. Revealing the hidden identities within this minority, concealed behind this banking system which is dragging us towards environmental collapse, seemed fundamental to me and it was a key motivation which encouraged me to carry out this action and to announce it openly.
Another convincing reason for me was the opportunity to strengthen social movements so they could be ready to face the crisis, trying out some alternatives which could turn into the example of a viable way of life when the crisis breaks out. I thought we would need more money than we could get by other normal means as, according to my experience in social movements, one of the main restrictions when talking about alternative projects has always been the lack of sufficient economic capacity to run strategic projects when they are ready got the kickoff and to maintain them for the time it is considered necessary.
There are social alternatives which are just getting off the ground from practice and with no real established ideas. There a lot initiatives that, from autonomy and self-management, are starting to practice new ways of life that they consider to be alternatives to the current capitalist system. There are clear and driven efforts to get coordinated and organised jointly through networks, to start puting into practice another society model. The path is set off, now we need to keep on going and gather strength.
Where is the money?
Once the commissions, interests, notaries, taxes and various expenses related to the action but not directly related to social change were paid, there were leaving around 360,000 euros that have been assigned, amongst others, to the publication you have between your hands1. Other destinies have been various actions and initiatives addressed to raise awareness about the systemic crisis (energy, food, aconomic...) as well as, and specially, to enhance a wide social movement which promotes different ways of living in society while it is also facing present capitalist model until it can replace it.
I will not give any more concrete details in this document because it could cause some problems to the projects that have received this money without being responsible for that, but I hope that people with whom I've been sharing time lately will start the word-of-mouth which will make possible that a lot of people know for sure that the funds fate has been directed towards this sole aim.
A call for action
Above all, this action aims to be an appeal for everyone to think about what can and want to do for changing the state of things within its means or even for changing what could seem impossible to change...
If I have carried out this financial disobedience action, risking my own freedom to show that the economic system is more vulnerable than it seems and to obtain all this amount of money for the construction of alternatives, maybe there will be many other people who can do something else if they trust themselves, if they get to free themselves from the false fears we are deliberately educated in by the system and if they resolutely think that just through the people, from below, we can change the state of things.
Taking as an example the style of action I have carried out and taking into account personal and economic context of each one, some people will perhaps realize about some things they can do within their reach:
Tenants, undergoing with the continuing increase in the costs (usually linked to the increase in purchase prices) can join together to commence a rent strike, as the one from 1930 and 1931; I am sure there are some people who are alreadythinking abou it... If you are paying a mortgage since not too many years and you still have to work for many years in a job you do not like at all, you could maybe stop paying the mortgage and squat your flat. If you do it alone you will probably have a problem (not a bigger problem than the one you already had though, and what is more: you can consider spending your time doing what you like, consistent with your ideas and vocation) but if a lot of people does the same in an organized manner, it will be the banking the one who will have a problem... If you are committed people and you want to collaborate with social movements, now you know there is the possibility of asking for some loans and not paying for them so you can finance the struggles, while you put obstacles to the financial system at the same time. There are some ways of doing this without getting any criminal charges for it, you just should do it in a smaller scale (related to mine) and you should not spread your action. I can give you a helping hand on this, hehe. If you are already on the way of living with no bank accounts because you have any sentence-fine (very common nowadays) that you do not want to pay, why don't you expropriate some money to the banks before you get to the point of no having any checking accounts? With these various options and any others you can think about you will always be delinquent accounts (or at least until this system in crisis lasts...) so it would be advisable to think about an action followed by a personal plan of living in a different manner, with neither checking accounts nor properties.
Anyway, if you can not or you do not want to carry out any of the actions before mentioned, there are two easier things that everybody can and must do as soon as possible: not asking for any loans and taking out all the money from the banks. By keeping loans, credit cards and checking accounts, we are an accessory to the banks which represent the heart of a capitalist system that is spreading our planet's destruction, poverty and our life's slavery all around.
Taking out all your money from the banks is something that everybody can do simply by getting a little bit more organized to manage payments and earns in a different way.
And if you receive too late this call for action, because there are some debts you could not pay and you are already in the banks' delinquencies lists... why don't you contact me to set up a delinquencies union? There are more people registered in delinquencies lists than in unemployment lists...and living without checking accounts is some kind of art which deserves to be shared!
What I am going to do from now on.
While writing this public document, there has not been presented any criminal charges on me; this fact proves that I have been able to carry on the action to its end without any control or any police suspicion.
Anyway, according to the Spanish state's judicial system (not taking into account its ethical motivation), since I have done this confession, I should be charged with greater fraud (from 50,000 euros and over) and punishable insolvency. I can be charged from 2 to 6 years for the first accusation and from 1 to 3 years for the second one.
So I have preferred to claim this action publicly as civil disobedience so everybody can know what can they do and to question the very financial system instead of hiding the action as any person who thinks first in his/her own integrity would recommend me.
But as my position is that of clear recognisement and that of moral and political defense of the facts, as I do not think that the judicial system is legitimized to judge me (as a part of a completely undemocratic political system, depending from the same economic authorities to whom I direct my action against) I have decided to accompany this public explanation of the facts with my physical disappearance. By this way, I will avoid possible reprisals against my freedom or my body which would prevent me from continue defending and explaining these facts openly. I will keep on being an active member within catalan social movements through virtual participation while I have to be phisically in some other point of the world from where I can also take part in social struggles.
Further forward, I reserve the right to come back an physically appear in catalan territory if it is proved that catalan civil society is prepared to defend freedom for the people who publically face our society's economic and political authorities.
If I was ever judged, of my own will or not, I can tell you the only verdict I will accept will be the aquittal from court as considering that my action does not constitute a crime because of its ethical motivation and because it is a gesture of solidarity against the authorities which are more damaging this society and because it is an action in favour of the common good. Apart from this, I will not negotiate any lower sentencies for avoiding serving my sentence, neither will bail nor pay a fine or negotiate the debt. If state is uncapable of getting rid of the pressure from factual powers, then everybody will be able to see it when they put a person like me into prison.
From this moment on, you can reveal my identity and contact me on the web [link to www.17-s.info] where you will also find further thorough information.
The merger between two activist traditions
This action from Enric, even innovative, does not emerge out of the blue; historically, activists from various trends have been risking for common good over current legality either by directing actions against the banks to finance struggles, or doing public civil disobedience actions to transform something. In banking expropriations field, tradition begins at the beginning of twentieth century, in countries such as France and Italy, as well as in the Spanish state, with the spectacular robbery to the Bank of Spain in Gijón by el grupo de los solidarios, in 1923, for instance.
Mythical figures in our history such as Durruti, Quico Sabaté or Salvador Puigantich have carried out this kind of actions, which are always dangerous as they put in danger their lifes and branchs workers ones. Some other methods, safer for people but much more complicated, have been those of notes or traveller's cheques forgerying. This last action against Citybank, helped Lucio Urtubia become known all over the world. He is still alive and has recently given some talks around catalan territory to present the documentary Lucio, el anarquista irreductible.
Civil disobedience strategy begins in the ninetienth century by Henry Thoreau and gets very well-known through names like Gandhi and Martin Luther King. In the spanish state, pacific disobedience just started to get considered as a possibility after dictator Franco's death, given that in times where violence is committed by the State with total immunity, non-violent disobedience is completelly impossible. Since the 70's up to now, some of the most recognized social movements -as the successful refusal to serve in the military and the squatter movement- are based on this disobedient premise.
One of the problems for the meeting point lies in the opposite situations starting point. The first situation needs to work underground; the second one is a public action which bases its strength on its social support and its actions legitimacy. The action we are talking about now can fuse them both because it has two different parts: the direct action one (which has already been carried out and its secret nature has enabled the action success) with the civil disobedience one (which is starting today, with the confession and public defense the author does, seriously questioning banking's moral legitimacy.
If this example will still remain as an isolated action or if it will represent the seed for a new action strategy, either public or hidden, time will tell. All of us, each individual who want to change the state of affairs, have the last say.
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 7:16 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
From secondlink:Building another society here and now
As we have seen in the previous pages, things can’t go on in the same way. The crisis which has already appeared in the light of day is not a passing phenomenon, but rather such a profound change that is very unlikely to be resolved by the very system that produced it: capitalism.
Having suffered its consequences, it’s easy to say what we don’t want. However, to continue advancing and to overcome the obstacles which are placed before us, we have to know in what direction we are going.
More and more people are aware of that, and help plant the seeds of another possible world, just as the existing world makes itself more and more impossible.
In order not to depend on capitalism, the alternative society is being built on the basis of autonomy, cutting off links with corporations and state institutions, and reinforcing links with the local neighbourhood, so as to rebuild relations in the community.
This new society is also built on the basis of self management, that is to say, dividing the power of decision making and the work among all the people involved, avoiding hierarchies and giving mutual support.
And how is this new society being conceived here and now? As the poet Antonio Machado said: “Caminante no hay camino, se hace camino al andar” (“Walker, there is no path, we make the path by walking.”)
Theory is being made from practice, and this practice depends on everybody.
If you want to control your own life yourself, you can start by incorporating ways of living it as you’d like to live. If you want to feel supported, you can find other people with whom you share this way of living. If you want to strengthen and develop the collective, you can take on commitments, and give them the importance they deserve and the time they need. If things don’t turn out as you expected, you can learn the lessons and continue experimenting. When you wish to share experiences and/or look for connections with other groups, you can meet up with those you have nearest to you and with those who are working on related issues. When all these collectives of people can sustain ourselves from the work we do for each other, we will be making a reality of the alternative society.
So, build another society here and now: that is a vision of political action which tries to go beyond protesting, not limiting ourselves to asking the politicians to bring change; removing their words from the centre of attention of our political action and replacing them with our own abilities, and with them promote a direct and effective social transformation, a transformation within our reach which can serve as a model to learn and show in practice the type of world that we want to build.
This form of transformation is being organised from below, on the basis of concrete experiences which resolve, directly and independently of government and private/market channels, the basic necessities of each person and of the community, in fundamental issues like housing, food, education, work, health and leisure, among others.
We will now go more deeply into some of the projects which are already functioning. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 7:16 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
You're just an ordinary low-class thief.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378797
9/23/2008 7:23 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
another excerpt from link
strategic aspect of building another economy is to substitute exchanges in the dominant currency, in our case the Euro, with alternative options managed by civil society. Within the Catalan ambit, some exchange networks have consolidated themselves, facilitating direct interchange between individuals who wish to cover some need without going through the market. These networks tend to use Internet as a means of communication. Within these networks, products such as books, clothes, food, IT products, or even services such as babysitting or domestic repairs, are exchanged. These activities are supplemented by interchange markets, physical spaces where, for a morning or all day, people regularly exchange a wide range of products or agree to provide services. Given that alternative production is still at an early stage, the most typical thing in these spaces is to exchange second hand products, such as books, clothes or small electrical appliances. They thus represent a community alternative to consumerism, at the same time as helping to develop new social relations.
And while we are transforming the economy, what could be better than buying and selling for free? Over recent years, new projects have appeared in which anybody can bring what they don’t need and take away what they need, without payment. This is surely they best way of demarketising our needs, and of learning to give and receive without commercial relationships getting in the way.
What we most often find in these spaces are, firstly, clothes, and then books and music, though there is a tendency to diversify. The main impediment for this type of project is usually getting space without monetary cost, so they are most typically found in occupied spaces.
In some self managed social centres and other premises, there are small bookshops with critical and dissident publications, as well as distributors of music, T-shirts and other materials related to the counterculture which emerges out of the social movements. Posters, leaflets and pamphlets can also be found there for different mobilisations and for groups that are publicising their activities, as well as people who can inform you about these.
Another central idea of this other society that we are putting in place is that of freely sharing knowledge and culture. Thus we can find a good handful of social libraries where you can access texts on social struggles and criticism, and learn more about the various alternatives and ideas. Recently, they have come together in a network of social libraries which can be found on Internet.
Some projects involved in the idea of sharing knowledge have existed for years: Knowledge Exchange Networks. In these spaces, people offer workshops and courses about what they know, and are taught about what interests them, always without payment. Any type of knowledge may be offered or learnt: intellectual, technical, artistic or handiwork, depending on the abilities and interests of the participants. These are also important spaces for the creation of community and social relations.
Social centres and alternative movements often organise workshops and courses of different types, especially training aimed at helping us to apply self management to our daily life. Agroecology, alternative energies, self building, electricity, free programming, gender relations, facilitating meetings and many other types of knowledge reinforce the autonomous capability of the increasing numbers of people who opt for other ways of living.
In sharing knowledge, a key idea is to “allow copying”. More and more intellectual, scientific and artistic creations are questioning the concepts of authors’ royalties and patents and creating alternatives to these. There are Creative commons licences, which can be applied to literary, audiovisual, musical and scientific productions, promoting the possibility of copying and sharing without paying the authors. In this way, culture and knowledge spread among people without being privatised and without private interests prevailing over the common good.
The idea of “allowing copying” was born out of free programming, an already consolidated movement which has shown how networks based on social cooperation can be as or more effective than the big transnational corporations. From free programming came hacklabs, authentic autonomous laboratories of free information, which tend to be found in social centres. Also emerging from this culture are autonomous servers — which let us self manage our e-mail, web pages and our own IT security, without going through a commercial company — and free wireless networks — of which guifi.net is a reference point in the Catalan ambit — which go far beyond just sharing an Internet connection.
And if we are going to share, what could be more important than the basis for being able to feed ourselves, that is, the seeds which allow farmers to grow food? Given that industrial agriculture and especially genetically modified food are putting local varieties in grave danger, the task of conserving seeds, and providing them to local farmers who want to plant them again, is fundamental. Luckily, this is one of the tasks that the agroecological movement is carrying out, and across the country there are more and more seed banks which conserve biodiversity and protect life now and in the future.
Cultivating vegetables can also be a social and communal activity, not just a job. That is shown by the many community vegetable patches which have been established around Catalonia over the last few years. Luckily, there have always been plots for personal consumption, but it is especially interesting to learn to share and to recover community participation by cultivating a vegetable patch together. A good example of this are the community vegetable patches at Can Masdeu, the occupied country house in Collserola, on the outskirts of Barcelona.
By the way, plants don’t only produce food for people, but also many other resources for everyday life, such as curative products for our health. These are what are known as medicinal plants and the truth is that capitalism also makes our lives difficult in the field of health. One example is Stevia, a natural sweetener which has been shown to cure diabetes, but whose sale for health purposes is prohibited in the Spanish state. Could it be that the drug companies have no interest in a treatment that cures diabetes completely? Even so, Stevia is spreading among the social movements, after all, if we’re going to practise civil disobedience, what better than cultivating healthy plants?
And speaking of health, let’s move on to talk about alternatives for receiving newcomers to the world, since here we can also find options outside the realm of the hospitals and the drug companies. Groups which help women to give birth naturally, which promote breastfeeding and baby care groups, form part of a series of alternatives for newborn children which help to improve their wellbeing, during birth and in their first few months of life, with consequences for all their lives.
And advancing in time, the area of infant education mustn’t be left out while creating alternatives for a new society. Whether people develop as free beings, with values and initiative, or are passive and submit to the existing system, depends on education. Many mothers and fathers know that, so following some earlier initiatives, educational alternatives have multiplied over recent years. Sometimes they are fathers and mothers who educate their offspring at home, sometimes groups of families who educate their children together — increasingly with educators who, jointly with the families, guide the children in their learning, without subjecting them to excessively determined models — and there are some examples that can really be called free schools. There are projects for up to 12-year-olds, and it is intended to go further. This is what is known as free education, and within the Catalan ambit, the Free Education Network (Xarxa d’Educació Lliure, XELL) facilitates the creation of initiatives of this type, and links up those involved in them.
When looking for somewhere to live, and rather than waiting in vain for the administration to give us the right to housing, we guarantee it for ourselves. The squatting of empty housing is already a very frequent alternative in our country, though it is impossible to know how extended this option is, because many squats don’t publicise themselves. Sometimes squatting allows people to live for many years without having to face up to one of the largest items of expenditure imposed on us by the system, but squatting tends to be accompanied by the anxiety of not knowing how long it will last. Another option, which is more incipient but has a future, are usage rights housing cooperatives. In this format, which is much cheaper than mortgages and individual rental, ownership stays with the cooperative and participants cannot resell their rights at a different price than what they cost them, thus preventing speculation. It is an option which is widespread in other countries, and just beginning here thanks to the Sostre Cívic (Civil Roof) association.
These housing options are usually accompanied by alternative forms of communal living, which overcome the individualism of modern flats, creating spaces for communal use around the building, such as shared IT spaces, laundry, library or living room.
Such housing alternatives are ideal locations to self manage the production of energy, with experiences such as using thermal solar power to heat water and putting photovoltaic solar panels on the roof. Something else which is necessary in urban areas, and where experiences are already beginning, is in using roofs for gardening plots. In rural houses, there are starting to be experiences of creating small biogas generators to warm the building using organic residues.
And speaking of living together, there are even alternatives in one of the most untouchable areas of official culture. There are more and more people who are considering, and beginning to put into practice, alternatives to the nuclear family, which has been simply the western model for the last 50 years and has been useful to consumerism, given that it has helped to break wider social connections. Faced with that, and sharing ideas of the struggle against patriarchy and the sexual liberation movements, new models of relations are emerging, based on the freedom to love more than one person, with communication and transparency. Before it was called free love, now it is also known as polylove.
In the personal realm we also learn to relate with each other as equal and diverse persons, without discrimination by race, class, gender or sexual identity.
All the information which is deliberately ignored, all the mobilisations which we mentioned before, and all these alternatives which we are now presenting, have something in common, which is that they want to make themselves known and reach more people. Here we touch on a fundamental alternative for making other viewpoints known: the alternative media. They can be local, thematic, generalist… There are many in print and masses in Internet. There are a number of free radio stations, and very few TV channels. More typical is the production of interesting documentaries and news reports, which can often be found on Internet or through alternative distributors. Alternative media are projects which imply ongoing commitment and usually require a lot of dedication and effort, as well as needing economic resources to get beyond a minority audience. In the section of links you can find the web pages of many of these projects.
There are other collective alternatives and it is impossible to cover everything, but we hope that you have got an overall idea. In fact, we have shown you a good range of alternatives which are in operation and which affect many aspects of life. Now, what ideas are helping the people involved in these diverse initiatives to come together to build another society? How is the network being created? Of that, we will speak in the pages that follow. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 7:26 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
Well, apparently it has begun.....pin or no pin :) |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/23/2008 8:21 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
thanks for posting |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 283115
9/23/2008 10:38 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509179
9/23/2008 2:08 PM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
PIN THIS |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509179
9/23/2008 2:10 PM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
You're just an ordinary low-class thief.
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You are just an ordinary fucking dumbass.
And you are a moron. This is worse. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509179
9/23/2008 2:11 PM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
You're just an ordinary low-class thief.
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Or you must be a banker? Which is even worse, just fucking unthinkable. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 507408
9/23/2008 2:13 PM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
PIN THIS
I´ll be happy if you lend me 100.000Euros. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509174
9/23/2008 2:15 PM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
You're just an ordinary low-class thief.
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Taking from thieves isn't stealing. I encourage everyone to steal back what they've stolen from your families for generations. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509179
9/24/2008 2:44 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509564
9/24/2008 3:02 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
Lies
Some of his supposed deals can't work. You can not sell a car you bought with money lend from a bank. The bank holds the title until you pay it off.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 509179
9/24/2008 5:44 AM | | Re: I have “robbed” 492,000 euros to whom most rob us in order to denounce them and build some alternatives for the society. | Quote |
Lies
Some of his supposed deals can't work. You can not sell a car you bought with money lend from a bank. The bank holds the title until you pay it off.
You are a fool. |
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