|
| |
| | Page 1, 2, 3 | I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383
9/28/2008 8:23 AM
Report abusive post | I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious
| Quote |
"I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious, because he is alive and carries the whole universe within him. Do you believe that all means of discovering the truth would be eliminated if the sacred books disappeared? Not at all. They can be created anew, because their origin is on high, in the Zodiac, in the stars, and also in man. But instead of understanding this, theologians are fixed on texts: they annotate, they compare, they generate commentary. If only they would leave these texts for awhile and go and look elsewhere. If only they would look higher, further, and to life itself, they would have a better understanding!"
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov
[link to www.prosveta.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 510528
9/28/2008 8:26 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 8:31 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
You have proved yourself a liar and antiChrist once again, OP, by saying that all sacred books of all religions are precious.
You are a liar and a deceiver.
I pity those who follow and believe your teachings, but I pity you even more, for leading people astray.
Your punishment will be all the more grevious. |
| Dread Pirate Roberts
User ID: 512428
9/28/2008 8:34 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious, because he is alive and carries the whole universe within him. Do you believe that all means of discovering the truth would be eliminated if the sacred books disappeared? Not at all. They can be created anew, because their origin is on high, in the Zodiac, in the stars, and also in man. But instead of understanding this, theologians are fixed on texts: they annotate, they compare, they generate commentary. If only they would leave these texts for awhile and go and look elsewhere. If only they would look higher, further, and to life itself, they would have a better understanding!"
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov Quoting: Solve et Coagula 512383
he does not carry the whole universe within him, unless he is born again.
Jesus declares in John’s Gospel, “unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Jesus later explains, to be born again means to be born of the Spirit, where the Spirit of God dwells in the believer. God Himself takes up residence inside our earthly body, God’s Spirit guiding our spirit (Romans 8:26-2).
it is THEN, and only then, the believer carries the universe, or Jesus' precious Holy Spirit, within.
Jesus is coming soon. Are you ready?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28 (KJV) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 8:37 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious, because he is alive and carries the whole universe within him. Do you believe that all means of discovering the truth would be eliminated if the sacred books disappeared? Not at all. They can be created anew, because their origin is on high, in the Zodiac, in the stars, and also in man. But instead of understanding this, theologians are fixed on texts: they annotate, they compare, they generate commentary. If only they would leave these texts for awhile and go and look elsewhere. If only they would look higher, further, and to life itself, they would have a better understanding!"
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov
he does not carry the whole universe within him, unless he is born again.
Jesus declares in John’s Gospel, “unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Jesus later explains, to be born again means to be born of the Spirit, where the Spirit of God dwells in the believer. God Himself takes up residence inside our earthly body, God’s Spirit guiding our spirit (Romans 8:26-2).
it is THEN, and only then, the believer carries the universe, or Jesus' precious Holy Spirit, within. Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts
You are absolutely right, Sir.
Glad to see that at least some people recognize the truth when they see it.
"Broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many there be that go down it."
God bless you, in Jesus' Name. |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 8:42 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
You have proved yourself a liar and antiChrist once again, OP, by saying that all sacred books of all religions are precious.
You are a liar and a deceiver.
I pity those who follow and believe your teachings, but I pity you even more, for leading people astray.
Your punishment will be all the more grevious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275333
You're absolutely correct, if i am leading people astray, i will face serious repercutions... i wonder if you're aware of the very same issue... i wish you all Love, Wisdom and Truth... dont worry, be happy while knowing that Love, Wisdom and Truth will win at the end... loose your fear... i wish you all Love, Wisdom and Truth of Eternity  |
| Dread Pirate Roberts
User ID: 512428
9/28/2008 8:49 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious, because he is alive and carries the whole universe within him. Do you believe that all means of discovering the truth would be eliminated if the sacred books disappeared? Not at all. They can be created anew, because their origin is on high, in the Zodiac, in the stars, and also in man. But instead of understanding this, theologians are fixed on texts: they annotate, they compare, they generate commentary. If only they would leave these texts for awhile and go and look elsewhere. If only they would look higher, further, and to life itself, they would have a better understanding!"
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov
he does not carry the whole universe within him, unless he is born again.
Jesus declares in John’s Gospel, “unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Jesus later explains, to be born again means to be born of the Spirit, where the Spirit of God dwells in the believer. God Himself takes up residence inside our earthly body, God’s Spirit guiding our spirit (Romans 8:26-2).
it is THEN, and only then, the believer carries the universe, or Jesus' precious Holy Spirit, within.
You are absolutely right, Sir.
Glad to see that at least some people recognize the truth when they see it.
"Broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many there be that go down it."
God bless you, in Jesus' Name. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275333
blessings and encouragement to you also, fellow believer. in these times we feel compelled to cry out against false preaching, and offer the Good News of Jesus Christ as the only hope.
Jesus is coming soon. Are you ready?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28 (KJV) |
| Anonymouse
User ID: 493119
9/28/2008 8:52 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
All religions aren't the same. Only ignorance or mental defficiency could lead a person to believe that. Well, or else just an extreme case of wishful thinking. Some religions are based upon an honest attempts at spiritual enlightenment, while most are destructive cults that were created by a depraved but charismatic leader for his own benefit.
This image sums it up pretty well:
[link to img87.imageshack.us]
The difference is clear. [Thanks to the original creator of the image, I made some small changes to improve it, hope you don't mind!] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 8:55 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious, because he is alive and carries the whole universe within him. Do you believe that all means of discovering the truth would be eliminated if the sacred books disappeared? Not at all. They can be created anew, because their origin is on high, in the Zodiac, in the stars, and also in man. But instead of understanding this, theologians are fixed on texts: they annotate, they compare, they generate commentary. If only they would leave these texts for awhile and go and look elsewhere. If only they would look higher, further, and to life itself, they would have a better understanding!"
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov
he does not carry the whole universe within him, unless he is born again.
Jesus declares in John’s Gospel, “unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Jesus later explains, to be born again means to be born of the Spirit, where the Spirit of God dwells in the believer. God Himself takes up residence inside our earthly body, God’s Spirit guiding our spirit (Romans 8:26-2).
it is THEN, and only then, the believer carries the universe, or Jesus' precious Holy Spirit, within.
You are absolutely right, Sir.
Glad to see that at least some people recognize the truth when they see it.
"Broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many there be that go down it."
God bless you, in Jesus' Name.
blessings and encouragement to you also, fellow believer. in these times we feel compelled to cry out against false preaching, and offer the Good News of Jesus Christ as the only hope. Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts
You got that right.
Unfortunately, it is sometimes hard when you get people like the OP making post after post of new-age garbage, claiming to be inspired by God, and drawing a great many people with them.
But Jesus Christ is Lord of all. |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 8:59 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
But Jesus Christ is Lord of all.
Agreed |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 9:14 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
OP........you have already admitted to me on another thread that your version of the 'gospel' differs from that revealed to us in the Bible.
Have you not?
You may answer this question again, if you wish, though you have already answered it.
But please, answer it again, if you wish.
I am not interested in how much you, or your 'guru' claim to be right, and proclaiming God's word. I am only interested in what God Himself says about His word:
"If anyone takes away from the prophecy of this book, God will take away his part in the book of Life, and if anyone adds to these words, God will add to him the plagues written in this book."
"To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, they have no light of truth within them."
"But if we, or an angel from heaven, come to you preaching any other gospel, let him be eternally condemned; again, I say to you, if we, or even an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel, or any other Jesus, than that which we have revealed to you, let him be eternally condemned."
What do you answer to this post, OP.
Please answer point by point, starting with my first statement, in which you admitted that your 'gospel' differs.
(and this admission is 'on the record')
Now please answer.........point by point.
Or lose your credibility.
Thank you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 508058
9/28/2008 9:24 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
Beware of religious frauds, such as the OP, bearing more pretty poison poppies !!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 9:29 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
Beware of religious frauds, such as the OP, bearing more pretty poison poppies !!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 508058
That's right.
Perhaps the OP would like to address my last post...??? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 9:53 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
OP........you have already admitted to me on another thread that your version of the 'gospel' differs from that revealed to us in the Bible.
Have you not?
You may answer this question again, if you wish, though you have already answered it.
But please, answer it again, if you wish.
I am not interested in how much you, or your 'guru' claim to be right, and proclaiming God's word. I am only interested in what God Himself says about His word:
"If anyone takes away from the prophecy of this book, God will take away his part in the book of Life, and if anyone adds to these words, God will add to him the plagues written in this book."
"To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, they have no light of truth within them."
"But if we, or an angel from heaven, come to you preaching any other gospel, let him be eternally condemned; again, I say to you, if we, or even an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel, or any other Jesus, than that which we have revealed to you, let him be eternally condemned."
What do you answer to this post, OP.
Please answer point by point, starting with my first statement, in which you admitted that your 'gospel' differs.
(and this admission is 'on the record')
Now please answer.........point by point.
Or lose your credibility.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275333
Still waiting, Solve.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 10:10 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
OP........you have already admitted to me on another thread that your version of the 'gospel' differs from that revealed to us in the Bible.
Have you not?
You may answer this question again, if you wish, though you have already answered it.
But please, answer it again, if you wish.
I am not interested in how much you, or your 'guru' claim to be right, and proclaiming God's word. I am only interested in what God Himself says about His word:
"If anyone takes away from the prophecy of this book, God will take away his part in the book of Life, and if anyone adds to these words, God will add to him the plagues written in this book."
"To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, they have no light of truth within them."
"But if we, or an angel from heaven, come to you preaching any other gospel, let him be eternally condemned; again, I say to you, if we, or even an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel, or any other Jesus, than that which we have revealed to you, let him be eternally condemned."
What do you answer to this post, OP.
Please answer point by point, starting with my first statement, in which you admitted that your 'gospel' differs.
(and this admission is 'on the record')
Now please answer.........point by point.
Or lose your credibility.
Thank you.
Still waiting, Solve.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275333
Still waiting....
Perhaps the Op would like to address the issues above, point by point, instead of just posting more poisionous flowers and saying 'I wish you all love, truth and wisdom for eternity'
How about it, Op?
how about addressessing the above points.....one by one? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 10:20 AM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
Still waiting...
Point by point, remember, OP..... |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 12:36 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
OP........you have already admitted to me on another thread that your version of the 'gospel' differs from that revealed to us in the Bible.
Have you not?
You may answer this question again, if you wish, though you have already answered it.
But please, answer it again, if you wish.
I am not interested in how much you, or your 'guru' claim to be right, and proclaiming God's word. I am only interested in what God Himself says about His word:
"If anyone takes away from the prophecy of this book, God will take away his part in the book of Life, and if anyone adds to these words, God will add to him the plagues written in this book."
"To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, they have no light of truth within them."
"But if we, or an angel from heaven, come to you preaching any other gospel, let him be eternally condemned; again, I say to you, if we, or even an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel, or any other Jesus, than that which we have revealed to you, let him be eternally condemned."
What do you answer to this post, OP.
Please answer point by point, starting with my first statement, in which you admitted that your 'gospel' differs.
(and this admission is 'on the record')
Now please answer.........point by point.
Or lose your credibility.
Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275333
Its absolutely beautiful that you found your truth in the bible. My deepest respect! It shouldnt bother you therefore that other people also find their personal truth in the bible, still with different bible interpretations.
Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov's bible interpretation might be different from yours, but if you're open minded (what christianity is all about), you would try to understand, what Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov has to say, you would first of all respect other opinions and conclusions, and you would also ad your interpretations to discuss the issue. Do you really think only by critizising other interpretations as lie and deceive, without adding something constructive will make your belief more christian?
Please tell me more about your belief of Christ. It would be very interesting not only for me, but for all people at GLP. Have your say! Thank you very much |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 1:01 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
Still waiting...
Point by point, remember, OP..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 275333
Please enlighten us, brother |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
|
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 2:13 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"In the form of myths, all religions reveal in some way the divine origin of humankind. At some point in history, however, the conviction that certain races or categories of people were inferior found its way into some of these religions, and they began to exclude or oppress them.
Jesus was so exceptional because he came to proclaim that whatever their race, culture or social status, all human beings are essentially equal before God. The inequities they manifest are only superficial and fleeting: their physical, intellectual, moral and spiritual qualities, the events of their lives, everything which, one way or another, makes some of them seem privileged and others not, represents only a moment in their evolution. Human beings are brothers and sisters by way of the life they share, by way of the divine life which flows in them. This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well."
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov
[link to www.prosveta.com] |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 5:25 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
|
| Dread Pirate Roberts
User ID: 512428
9/28/2008 5:25 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"edit-- This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well." Quoting: Solve et Coagula 512383
this is universalism at is most hogwashiest.
Universalism can be classified as a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God. A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.
Yet Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14
Jesus is coming soon. Are you ready?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28 (KJV) |
| Dread Pirate Roberts
User ID: 512428
9/28/2008 5:26 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
oh! forgot
Jesus is coming soon. Are you ready?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28 (KJV) |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 5:30 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"If the Lord Himself came in person to talk to human beings, seeing as His words would in no way correspond to their opinions and desires, how many would listen to Him? Most people would reply: 'No, no, Lord. You are wrong and I am right. Listen to me...' And God would have to listen patiently to their explanations, justifications, and demands, which is generally what peoples' prayers amount to anyway, don't they?' God is there to pay attention to their opinions and desires, and if any answer is expected of Him, it is only:'Yes, of course, my child. You are right. I will immediately give you everything you want.'
In fact, God smiles and waits for His capricious and demanding children to understand that they must ask only one thing: to know His will that they might establish His Kingdom on earth."
Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov
[link to www.prosveta.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 417284
9/28/2008 5:41 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
 |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 6:03 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"edit-- This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well."
this is universalism at is most hogwashiest.
Universalism can be classified as a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God. A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.
Yet Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts
Dear Dread Pirate Roberts, did you know that catholicism means universal? I repeat: catholicism meant to be a universal religion.
I really wonder where you found your truth (above statement) or how precise is your interpretation of the bible, i seriously doubt you got it from Jesus Christ... i even doubt that its from the bible... really, who told you such things? Dont worry, we still have so many things learn, at least we all know, that we know nothing, all is good! |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 6:11 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
Just in case you dont believe me:
What "Catholic" Means
The Greek roots of the term "Catholic" mean "according to (kata-) the whole (holos)," or more colloquially, "universal." At the beginning of the second century, we find in the letters of Ignatius the first surviving use of the term "Catholic" in reference to the Church. At that time, or shortly thereafter, it was used to refer to a single, visible communion, separate from others.
The term "Catholic" is in the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds, and many Protestants, claiming the term for themselves, give it a meaning that is unsupported historically, ignoring the term’s use at the time the creeds were written.
Early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes: "As regards ‘Catholic,’ its original meaning was 'universal' or 'general.' . . . in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations (cf., e.g., Muratorian Canon). . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church" (Early Christian Doctrines, 190–1).
Thus people who recite the creeds mentally inserting another meaning for "Catholic" are reinterpreting them according to a modern preference, much as a liberal biblical scholar does with Scripture texts offensive to contemporary sensibilities.
Included in the quotes below are extracts from the first creeds to use the term "Catholic"; so that the term can be seen it its historical context, which is supplied by the other quotations. It is from this broader context that the meaning of the term in the creeds is established, not by one’s own notion of what the term once meant or of what it ought to mean.
[link to www.catholic.com] |
| Dread Pirate Roberts
User ID: 512428
9/28/2008 6:21 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"edit-- This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well."
this is universalism at is most hogwashiest.
Universalism can be classified as a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God. A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.
Yet Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14
Dear Dread Pirate Roberts, did you know that catholicism means universal? I repeat: catholicism meant to be a universal religion.
I really wonder where you found your truth (above statement) or how precise is your interpretation of the bible, i seriously doubt you got it from Jesus Christ... i even doubt that its from the bible... really, who told you such things? Dont worry, we still have so many things learn, at least we all know, that we know nothing, all is good!
well I won't speak to catholicism because that strays from the point, which was your statement that "This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well.""
This is pantheism--- the belief that God and all things are one -- is a common belief among esotericists, Jesus' followers were theists who believed in a personal Creator God who is distinct from His creation.
as far as interpretations, you are so right, there are differences between how believers interpret and non-believers interpret. Jesus designed it that way.
In Matthew 13, Jesus is in front of a mixed multitude comprised of both believers and unbelievers. He did not attempt to separate the believers from the unbelievers and then instruct only the believers. Rather, He constructed His teaching in such a way that believers would understand what He said but unbelievers would not -- and He did this by using parables.
Careful reflection on Jesus' parables would enlighten disciples even further. However, hardened unbelievers who had willfully and persistently refused Jesus' previous teachings -- such as those set forth in the Sermon on the Mount -- were prevented from understanding the parables.
Therefore, let us carefully reflect, you and me and everyone!
Jesus is coming soon. Are you ready?
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28 (KJV) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 6:25 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"edit-- This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well."
this is universalism at is most hogwashiest.
Universalism can be classified as a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God. A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.
Yet Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts
You are right.
Unfortunately, the world is dead to the true Word of God.
And so they continue in disbelief, such as the OP.
You, for one, are a true Christian. That is evident. |
| Solve et Coagula
User ID: 512383 (OP)
9/28/2008 6:25 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"edit-- This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well."
this is universalism at is most hogwashiest.
Universalism can be classified as a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God. A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.
Yet Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14
Dear Dread Pirate Roberts, did you know that catholicism means universal? I repeat: catholicism meant to be a universal religion.
I really wonder where you found your truth (above statement) or how precise is your interpretation of the bible, i seriously doubt you got it from Jesus Christ... i even doubt that its from the bible... really, who told you such things? Dont worry, we still have so many things learn, at least we all know, that we know nothing, all is good!
well I won't speak to catholicism because that strays from the point, which was your statement that "This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well.""
This is pantheism--- the belief that God and all things are one -- is a common belief among esotericists, Jesus' followers were theists who believed in a personal Creator God who is distinct from His creation.
as far as interpretations, you are so right, there are differences between how believers interpret and non-believers interpret. Jesus designed it that way.
In Matthew 13, Jesus is in front of a mixed multitude comprised of both believers and unbelievers. He did not attempt to separate the believers from the unbelievers and then instruct only the believers. Rather, He constructed His teaching in such a way that believers would understand what He said but unbelievers would not -- and He did this by using parables.
Careful reflection on Jesus' parables would enlighten disciples even further. However, hardened unbelievers who had willfully and persistently refused Jesus' previous teachings -- such as those set forth in the Sermon on the Mount -- were prevented from understanding the parables.
Therefore, let us carefully reflect, you and me and everyone!
I absolutely agree with you |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 275333
9/28/2008 6:27 PM | | Re: I do not deny that the sacred books of all religions are precious works. But a human being is even more precious | Quote |
"edit-- This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well."
this is universalism at is most hogwashiest.
Universalism can be classified as a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God. A church or community that calls itself Universalist may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine.
Yet Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14
Dear Dread Pirate Roberts, did you know that catholicism means universal? I repeat: catholicism meant to be a universal religion.
I really wonder where you found your truth (above statement) or how precise is your interpretation of the bible, i seriously doubt you got it from Jesus Christ... i even doubt that its from the bible... really, who told you such things? Dont worry, we still have so many things learn, at least we all know, that we know nothing, all is good!
well I won't speak to catholicism because that strays from the point, which was your statement that "This divine life makes them brothers and sisters of all creation as well.""
This is pantheism--- the belief that God and all things are one -- is a common belief among esotericists, Jesus' followers were theists who believed in a personal Creator God who is distinct from His creation.
as far as interpretations, you are so right, there are differences between how believers interpret and non-believers interpret. Jesus designed it that way.
In Matthew 13, Jesus is in front of a mixed multitude comprised of both believers and unbelievers. He did not attempt to separate the believers from the unbelievers and then instruct only the believers. Rather, He constructed His teaching in such a way that believers would understand what He said but unbelievers would not -- and He did this by using parables.
Careful reflection on Jesus' parables would enlighten disciples even further. However, hardened unbelievers who had willfully and persistently refused Jesus' previous teachings -- such as those set forth in the Sermon on the Mount -- were prevented from understanding the parables.
Therefore, let us carefully reflect, you and me and everyone!
I absolutely agree with you
Deceiver and liar!! |
| | Page 1, 2, 3 | |
|
