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Here is the collection of information regarding the Gold Confiscation and PG 17 of the US Patriot Act. Please read to understand that not only is US Gold Confiscation an option, but a necessity on behalf of the Bush Administration:
[link to news.goldseek.com]
America’s Trade Debts Lead to a Likely Gold Confiscation
-- Posted Sunday, 2 December 2007 Source: GoldSeek.com
Federal agencies have indicated that the accumulated trade debts of the United States have reached $9 trillion. This can be explained once one realizes that outsourcing of production jobs and manufacturing has gathered speed over the last twenty years to a point where we don’t make more than a nominal percentage of our own necessities. These debts result in accumulated “TRADE DEFICITS” which are discussed in the daily papers. What is not discussed, however, is how these “trade debts” will ever be paid. Well, common sense would tell most of us that — they will be paid in some form.
Recently posted in the Federal Register on the internet were regulations listed under the caption of The Patriot Act . . . . At the end of 17 pages you will find legal definitions for “bullion coins” and “rare numismatic coins.” Strange how the definition of these forms of gold would show up under 17 pages of regulations pursuant to the Patriot Act having to do with identification of persons boarding and de-boarding aircraft and a multitude of other topics. Once you analyze the situation, it becomes obvious that these regulations were published in this manner, so as to keep the information from the general public and avoid suspicions of confiscation and the resulting objections.
WE BELIEVE THE REGULATIONS WERE PUBLISHED IN THE EXPECTATION OF A SECOND CONFISCATION OF AMERICAN PRIVATELY OWNED GOLD
The purpose of the confiscation is clearly to settle America’s trade debts in an acceptable form. Keep in mind that Central Banks end up with all of the trade debts via bank deposits in dollars, or, Treasury Bonds, dollar denominated, with no guarantees against loss due to deterioration of the value of the dollar. Since the dollar has been in a constant downtrend as most Americans realize, Central Banks should not be expected to take all the losses on these transactions without complaint. Indeed, there are complaints and we believe the complaints have reached fever pitch. Central Banks no longer wish to accept dollar-denominated assets in payment of trade debts and are demanding American gold.
There is really no other logical mechanism for them to accept payment. Today, silver is not a monetary asset and neither are any of the other metals such as platinum or palladium. Only gold can be used for settlement of debts between Central Banks.
“No,” you say! . . . . Such a conclusion is unjustified. If so, then we ask, how is it that 30,000 retail jewelry stores have been forced to become registered with the Treasury Department over the last two years, since January ‘06, as indicated at their website at www.jvclegal.org. The Jewelry Trade Association required their members to purchase a “Patriot Act Compliance Kit,” all of which relates to registration — a form of licensing, obviously connected to one of their main lines of business: gold jewelry.
Why is it also that bullion dealers and gold coin dealers who do $50,000 or more in business a year have also been required to become registered with the Treasury Department as indicated in their printout of April 24, 2007, from their website. This particular, April 24th printout may or may not still be on the website, but we have copies from that date on file.
There is significant other evidence as well, including the recent confiscation of gold of an organization in Evansville, Indiana, The Liberty Dollar Group, which stirred up some concern about the use of paper money in the United States, and thus, the gentleman who proposed an alternative form of money was put out of business.
In addition, the U.S. Mint, the seller of extremely popular American Eagle series of coins has, as of October 15, at least, terminated all sales of American Eagle gold coins. By the time you read this, they may have changed their minds again, which, of course, can be reversed after a brief period. Their mint dealer network may or may not still have the American Eagle series coins in stock, but sooner or later, their stocks will run out and there will be no more gold available in this form.
It is our view that the definition of the antique numismatic coins, given in the Federal Register, indicate the one way to avoid the loss of all physical gold in your hands. The interpretation of the wording of the regulations can be taken differently by different people. Our interpretation is that coins that have rarity value at least equal to the bullion value at the time of purchase would logically be deemed legal under these rules. Since it is not likely that any further explanation of these regulations will be published, this is all we have to go on. Of course — they are not going to announce the confiscation date ahead of time.
We are frequently asked what our opinion is of the timing, and that is obviously difficult to say, but it would not be amazing to see the confiscation gold within the next twelve months of the extremely unpopular Presidency of George W. Bush. That means there’s only twelve months to go, if we believe that this evil act will be consummated during his term. For more information, contact us at Criminal Politics Magazine at 1-800-543-0486 or visit our website at www.criminalpolitics.com
Swiss Financial Services, Inc. Lawrence Patterson, CEO |
| Nailer45
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9/29/2008 10:47 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
Maybe you hadn't heard yet..
All of the below laws were signed and
approved last year (May 2007) by
President Bush, and can be enforced in
the event of a "national emergency" that
he believes affects the entire country.
10995 Seizure of all print and electronic media in the United States
10997 Seizure of all electric power, fuels, and minerals, public and private
10998 Seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private, including farms and equipment.
10999 Seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks or any other vehicles, including control over highways, harbors, and waterways.
11000 Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision; it allows the government to split up families if they believe that it is necessary.
11001 Seizure of all health, education, and welfare facilities, public and private.
11002 Registration by the Postmaster General of all men, women, and children for government service.
11003 Seizure of all airports and aircraft.
11004 Seizure of all housing and finance authorities; authority to establish forced relocation, designate areas that must be abandoned as 'unsafe'. Establishment of new locations for population groups, building of new housing on public land.
11005 Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways, and storage warehouses, public and private.
11051 Authorize the Office of Emergency Planning to put the above orders into effect in times of increased international tension or financial crisis.
US PATRIOT ACT II
SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.
A Brief Analysis of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003
Also Known as USA Patriot Act II
1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, ensuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.
2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.
I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:
SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.
Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.
SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.
SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.
SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.
SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.
SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.
SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.
SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.
SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.
SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."
SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.
SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of "surveillance without a court order."
SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."
*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.
SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.
SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.
SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.
SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal agents.
SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.
SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.
SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.
SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.
SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.
SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.
SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.
SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.
SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.
SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.
SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.
SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.
SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.
SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.
SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities. There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state legislation in modern world history. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 10:49 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
Please pay attention to the dates of these articles. This has been discussed for several years now. From another forum I found this post:
10-18-2004, 09:00 AM
This is an excerpt from a free sample newsletter (so I believe posting it is ok) that someone sent me. Apparently the Feds are making preparations for something -- probably one more way to confiscate our wealth along with taxes, inflation (hidden taxation), borrowing (We the People must repay), and outright stealing as in civil forfeiture and land grabs.
I am not a subscriber to this newsletter.
The U.S. Treasury’s “Gold Confiscation Act”
What Does It Mean?
Volume 1, No. 3 October 2004
The so-called “Gold Confiscation Act of May 21, 1933” (U.S. Treasury Act 416F) has been dusted off the shelf as of September 2003.
The original act came into force on the first business day after the so-called emergency one week bank holiday declared in May, 1933, in which all banks in the U.S. were temporarily closed in order to prevent the collapse of the U.S. Banking System and hence the collapse of the nation. This was also done to accommodate taking the U.S. off the gold standard which, in turn, led to the formal change in the legal tender status of the U.S. dollar from a “species backed” to a fiat issued” currency on July 9, 1933.
To affect this change, all citizens were compelled to exchange their non-numismatic so-called “General Issue” gold coins then in circulation for fiat issue U.S. Bank notes no longer backed in gold, but by a wing and a prayer, as it were. Indeed, the U.S. Treasury was able to collect, through forced redemption, some 112 million U.S. gold coins, or approximately 1/3 of all U.S. gold coins, which were minted from 1795 to 1932.
The question then remains -- why would the Bush-Cheney regime act to re-institute the gold confiscation act now when the U.S. government has not issued gold coinage for the purpose of a circulating currency since 1932? Because Americans now hold more than 100 million ounces of gold in the form of non-numismatic, non-circulating so-called gold bullion coins issued by the U.S. Treasury as “American Gold Bullion Eagle Coins,” as well as coins issued by a variety of other governments, including the Canadian Gold Maple Leaf, the South African Krugerand, etc.
Americans holding gold bullion coins should also be concerned because of the U.S. Treasury’s quiet move in November 2003 to “upgrade” the so-called “nominal monetary status” of the American Gold Bullion Eagle coins, making these coins “redeemable by force” to the U.S. Treasury’s so-called “nominal official value” of gold bullion at $50/ ounce, instead of the actual prevailing “free market value” of gold, when the U.S. Treasury “posts official notification” of its intent to “redeem” gold bullion coins through the nation’s banks.
Nominal monetary status ensures that gold bullion coins are not legal tender even though they have a face value stamped them. They are still not defined as “legal tender.” In order to make them “confiscatable” as it were, it is necessary for the Treasury to upgrade their monetary status.
This forced redemption would not only extend to U.S. Treasury issued gold bullion coins, but would, indeed, extend to all gold bullion coins held by U.S. citizens domestically, or in foreign nations whose governments, Treasury, and/or central banks maintain the requisite level of so-called “collateral relationship” with the U.S. Government.
In this case, collateral relationship means that there is a currency exchange agreement between the UnitedStates and other foreign nations, in which the governments of these foreign nations would be required by specific, international, and/or treaty law to enforce U.S. Treasury acts upon American citizens maintaining certain “specified assets” including gold bullion coins and or gold bullion in that country.
It is further worth noting a small, much overlooked provision that has been sneaked into certain so-called “anti-terrorism” legislation at the request of the Treasury, supported by radical pro-Bush faction house members Delay, Baker, Burton, and Hunter, and in the Senate by pro-Bush faction co-leaders Hatch, Warner, and Frist. This little known provision requires U. S. citizens to disclose to the U.S. Treasury foreign holdings of certain specified so-called “liquid assets” which include gold bullion coins / gold bullion.
Longtime readers of my column are familiar with the regular updates of the Almartinraw.com “Smart Republican Money” index, which tracks the market trading, investments, and asset holdings of the wealthiest 10% of Americans, a group which is 71.4% Republican, who collectively own 73.9% of all the privately owned wealth of the nation. These regular updates, which will be now published on Insider Intelligence.com, have indicated a sharp increase in the purchase of gold bullion depository receipts, since January 20, 2004, through offshore foreign bank custodian accounts by the so-called Smart Republican Money Crowd. This is being done to avoid would-be forced redemption of gold bullion coins and/or bullion by the U.S. Treasury.
Interestingly, since the beginning of this year 2004, there have been record sales of the American Eagle gold bullion coins, Canadian Maple Leaf coins, etc. by existing American owners and record purchases by the same holders, of the Chinese Panda Gold Bullion Coin, which has distorted the spread between Pandas and all other gold bullion coins. This is being caused by a tiny quirk in the law, wherein the U.S. Treasury cannot call in for redemption, forced or otherwise, gold bullion coins held by U.S. citizens which are denominated, marginally or otherwise, in a foreign currency which is not “Free to Trade” and as such constitutes a “non-convertible currency” by the Bank of International Settlement (BIS). This, in turn, makes the Chinese Gold Bullion Panda Coins, which are issued by the Bank of China, the only officially authorized issued gold bullion coin of a major foreign government, exempt from U.S. Treasury redemption. Why? Because, Chinese Panda coins are denominated in the Yuan, China’s official currency, which is a non-convertible currency, in accordance with BIS’s definition.
Many subscribers have expressed concern over the startling deterioration in the public finances of the United States, which have occurred under the Bush-Cheney regime. This Regime which, by the end of its first and hopefully only term in office, will generate aggregate budget deficits (including the depletion of “inherited” fiscal surpluses) of some $1.5 trillion and an aggregate trade deficits of yet another $1.5 trillion, an aggregate increase in the total national debt of some $2 trillion as well as a 38% decline in the exchange value of the U.S. dollar against the so-called “trade-weighted currency basket.” People are also concerned about the mysterious depletion of some 2900 metric tons of gold from our national reserve since March, 2001, a story on which we have previously reported, and in June, 2004, the total depletion of the national silver reserves.
What has been the single most notable result of this economic deterioration? A record expatriation of U.S. dollars ($158 billion alone in 2003) and a record conversion of said dollars into gold in some form (shares, depository receipts, bullion, cash generating bullion accounts, etc.) held offshore by the previously described “Smart Republican Money Crowd.”
A second consequence of all of the above, as we have also previously reported, has been the record number of the wealthiest 10% of Americans domiciling not only their assets, but themselves as well, in offshore, non-taxable, non-attachable or attackable, non-extraditable for most financial crimes (like fraud and tax evasion) foreign jurisdictions.
The Cayman Island’s Chamber of Commerce proudly touts the fact that the number of wealthy American Republicans now domiciled in the Cayman Islands or otherwise registered in some form of domiciliary now exceeds the native Caymanian population.
Finally, will there be a potential “forced redemption,” by the U.S. Treasury, of non-numismatic previously issued U.S. silver or bullion coins as well-connected sources inside the Treasury have intimated?
Our readers should be concerned. To reiterate -- will your silver coins be next? |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 10:51 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
"Patriot Act"... |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 10:51 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
"Only gold can be used for settlement of debts between Central Banks."
take this info in combination with this from 2004:
"We have a planet now
that is sinking into a sea of red ink.
The United States is consuming 80% of the planet's savings rate to
finance its debt. The central banks of Germany, Japan and Saudi Arabia
are no longer the powerhouses they used to be. Their reserves have now
been substantially depleted. They can, therefore, no longer hide the
fact that they own a certain number, likely in the trillions of
dollars, of U.S. Treasury debt that isn't being serviced, because they
can't hide it through bookkeeping tricks anymore because their
reserves are so depleted.
Therefore somebody has covertly been putting demands on the Bush-
Cheney regime for payment. Why do you think 2900 metric tons of gold
is depleted from U.S. inventory since March of `01?
Why do you think that $2 billion in currency seized from Iraq last May
is now unaccounted for?
Someone is putting demands on the Bush-Cheney regime. Someone is
saying to the Bushonian Cabal that -- You've got to start servicing
this debt because we, foreign central banks, are in nations - European
and Asian - whose reserves are now nearly exhausted.
The German, Japanese and Saudi central banks are
saying to the Bushonian cabal, You've got to start servicing this debt
because we don't have the reserves to cover you anymore. We can no
longer make it appear that the debt is being serviced because our own
reserves are so substantively depleted. Therefore you must begin to
cover this debt. If you don't, then, at some point, we will have to
publicly admit in order to save our own necks -- that we were the end
buyers of a lot of stealth debt, a lot of debt that your Treasury
issued illegally and has never serviced. That would then expose the
whole cabal.
The process of unraveling has already begun because of ever-spiraling
Bushonian budget deficits. The Bush-Cheney regime, even in its overt
policies (now they're overt political, economic, social and military
policies) is generating $600-billion-plus deficit per year, which is
consuming 80% of the planet's net savings rate.
It doesn't have the slack. In other words, it can't refinance stealth
debt by issuing more stealth debt anymore. Nor can they bleed money
out of the system like they could in the 1980s by hiding it when the
overt policies of the Bush-Cheney regime are already producing a
budget deficit of 6% of Gross Domestic Product. There is no other
mechanism that they could use anymore to hide expansion of debt that
could be used to service said stealth debt, and they are, frankly,
running out of assets that they can steal from the American people. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 10:58 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
Via: Wall Street Journal:
The Eagle Has Been Grounded
Mint Halts Gold-Coin Sales
After Supply Depleted Amid Price Drop
By IANTHE JEANNE DUGAN
August 21, 2008; Page C1
As gold prices tumbled from their highest level ever, investors and collectors loaded up on one-ounce “American eagle” gold-bullion coins. The buying spree came to an abrupt halt this week after the U.S. Mint stopped selling the coins for the first time since production began 20 years ago.
“Due to the unprecedented demand…our inventories have been depleted,” the Mint — part of the U.S. Treasury Department — told its dealers Friday. “We are therefore temporarily suspending all sales of these coins.”
The move shocked sellers and collectors of the coins, which are the most widely traded in the U.S. Suppliers became angry as they turned away customers. Theories about the decision’s underlying cause ran rampant — from investors in gold futures to Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
“This whole thing started about the time the Ruskies made their move,” a collector noted in an Internet chat room called goldismoney.info. “It may very well be that the USGovt is preparing for the real financial meltdown by hoarding all remaining gold flows.”
The Mint says it simply was wiped out. It has sold 311,000 ounces of the coins this year — about 50% more than in all of 2007. In the first few weeks of August alone, buyers snapped up 63,500 ounces.
“We are working diligently to build up our inventory and hope to resume sales shortly,” the Mint wrote in a memo to dealers.
The American-eagle bullion program was launched in 1986 with the sale of gold and silver bullion coins. One-ounce coins have a face value of $50 and $1, respectively, although the coins trade close to the market value of the underlying metal. After the 2008 silver coins, known as silver eagles, surged in popularity earlier this year as silver prices rose, the Mint began rationing them. Dealers were upset by the latest blow. “If I don’t have something to sell, I lose business,” says Rand LeShay of A-Mark Precious Metals, a Los Angeles dealer.
The Mint announced the suspension Friday, the day prices of gold-futures contracts — bets on what gold will cost later — finished below $800 an ounce for the first time this year. The drop accelerated a buying spree among investors. Gold began bouncing back and late Wednesday traded at $810.30. In March, gold futures hit a high of $1,003.20 an ounce.
American-eagle gold-bullion coins are made from 22-karat gold mined in the U.S. The front side’s design was inspired by August Saint-Gaudens’ $20 gold piece, minted from 1907 to 1933. On the reverse side is a nest of American eagles.
The coins are sold by the Mint to 10 dealers world-wide for a premium above the price of gold. These dealers resell the coins, which now fetch about $815.
The American Precious Metals Exchange, an online gold dealer, posted an alert about the Mint’s move, generating confused and angry responses. Many customers said they were mystified because the silver-coin rationing followed a price surge, while the gold suspension followed a drop.
“The situation is strange and doesn’t fit the ‘normal’ supply & demand economic model,” the firm wrote to customers.
The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, an advocacy group, said the Mint’s move proved financial institutions are colluding to set prices.
“The suspension is overwhelming evidence…that the commodities exchanges are being used…as part of a massive scheme of manipulation of the precious metals, currency and bond markets,” the group wrote on its Web site. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:01 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
From: THE WTF GUY!!!!
[link to www.investmentrarities.com]
The Sensible Swiss
This week I received an e-mail from a Swiss money manager, a friend and trusted source. He informed me that a very large and conservative Swiss bank had informed a number of their clients that they would no longer be offered paper gold or silver certificates in the bank’s name. It seems the bank had previously granted the accounts because it was able to protect itself against an upside move with a derivatives contract with another financial institution. Due to the financial turmoil, the bank was no longer comfortable with the counterparty risk from the other financial institution. Instead, the Swiss bank informed its clients, all paper transactions had to be converted to physical or physical ETF positions (There are Swiss ETFs for gold and silver). My friend informed me that other Swiss banks were likely to follow this bank’s lead.
As long-time readers know, the issue of bank silver certificates that were not backed by real metal is one I have written about frequently
[link to www.investmentrarities.com]
[link to www.investmentrarities.com]
In essence, the banks that issued such certificates were short the metal, and taking an enormous risk in the event of a sharp price rise. Because they had been issued for decades, the cumulative amount of the short position in silver amounted to, perhaps, billions of ounces. This was a short position separate and distinct from the massive COMEX short position.
That the large and conservative Swiss bank is seeking to reduce or eliminate it’s short exposure to silver at this time makes sense. The bank has seen that silver prices can move sharply higher and that counterparty guarantees can vanish in an instant. It is sensible and practical that it would take such actions now, after silver prices moved sharply lower.
The resultant move by former paper owners of silver into real metal is destined to put additional pressure on the existing supplies of metal. It is hard to imagine a more critical time for this to occur than now. Every indication is one of tightness in the physical silver supply. The potential creation of a brand new source of silver physical demand could be profound. |
| Anonymous Coward
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European central banks cut sales of goldBy Javier Blas in Kyoto
[link to www.ft.com]
Published: September 28 2008 18:30 | Last updated: September 28 2008 18:30
European central banks have cut their sales of gold to the lowest level in almost a decade, reversing the practice of recent years when hefty sales helped depress prices.
Institutions bound by the Central Bank Gold Agreement – the banks of the eurozone plus Sweden and Switzerland – sold about 343 tonnes of gold in the year that expired on Friday, the lowest amount since the first CBGA was signed in 1999.
The European trend is part of a global movement of reduced central bank selling and increased investor buying that is helping to underpin high prices at a time of turmoil in financial markets.
As central banks sell less, investors are rushing into bullion-backed exchange traded funds to such an extent that some analysts refer to the ETFs as the “people’s central bank” because they are now bigger than most countries’ official reserves. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:13 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
VERY VERY IMPORTANT ARTICLE! SHORT READ.
[link to 72.14.205.104]
GOLD. . . And The PATRIOT ACT
REGULATIONS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1, 2006
CLEARLY SHOW . . . .
THE INTENT - TO (ONCE AGAIN) - PROHIBIT
THE OWNERSHIP OF GOLD IN ANY FORM
OTHER THAN — JEWELRY & ANTIQUE COINS
. . . . These new rules can be found on the internet at the Federal Register website. However, the specific definitions are buried at the very end of the third column on page 33716. They specifically define, under federal law, what IS and what IS NOT “bullion.”
. . . . Also, they define, under the Patriot Act — what IS and IS NOT “antique numismatic gold.”
. . . . What’s more, the trade associations of the jewelry industry involving 30,000 retail jewelry stores . . . . and about 1,000 bullion and numismatic coin dealers have been notified of the requirement to attend costly seminars — led by the Treasury Department — on the new rules and regulations concerning the sale of gold in either bullion — or — antique form. It gets much worse. . . .
TREASURY DEPARTMENT REGISTRATION — AND LICENSING
BY THE GOVERNMENT
. . . . It should be impressed upon our viewers’ minds that — retail jewelry stores and gold dealers are now effectively “LICENSED” & “REGULATED” by the Treasury Department. Forms must be filed according to regulations on certain transactions, depending upon whether they are one type or the other . . . . cash or paid by check. KEY QUESTION: - - What might the purpose be for all this?? To receive an annotated copy of the Federal Register, Contact us at 1-800-543-0486, no charge.
My staff will be glad to discuss this clearly threatening document and its wording. . . . . All of this is not an accident — but it is indicative of plans to reorganize the U.S. monetary system based upon a continuously weakening currency - - due to our phenomenally growing trade debts with our trading partners, in particular, Red China.
. . . . Our trade debts with China — alone — are running at the rate of a quarter trillion dollars per year at the present time, increasing our China debts — by a trillion dollars every four years. Other countries are LENDING US the money . . . . to purchase goods by accepting U.S. Treasury Bonds to invest the accumulated dollar cash taken in payment. However, China has already rejected any further Treasury Bonds to invest their dollars in, as of the fall of 2004.
. . . . China is now pressing hard on the Treasury Department to come up with options for it to purchase other American assets such as Gulf Coast real estate . . . . home mortgage bonds . . . . AND GOLD. We are faced with a monetary crisis of monumental proportions with China leading the way to collect unpaid debts for merchandise we no longer provide ourselves.
. . . . Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson , has been flying back and forth to China on a regular basis since taking office . . . . Even now in May of ‘07, a delegation of Chinese officials will be visiting with Paulson in the United States , making it impossible for him to attend a critical scheduled meeting — of the group of eight monetary cooperating countries scheduled at the same time.
. . . . The U.S. press does NOT cover the monetary threat . . . . However, the London Financial Times does, occasionally, provide — an article with a clear indication of the possible collapse of the dollar if our trade practices continue much longer, which lead to higher and higher debts.
THE SETTLEMENT OF DEBTS —
WITH GOLD — the basis of all Central Bank wealth and the primary monetary asset used to settle debts between nations.
. . . . The settlement of U.S. debts must be - AT LEAST - partially paid with American gold bullion plus: . . . . real estate and other assets. To accomplish this, the rules of the Patriot Act clearly indicate the confiscation of privately owned bullion with exceptions for antique numismatic coins with a rarity value specified at DOUBLE the bullion content. This key formula will be the single defining fact — as to whether or not you will be able to continue to own gold coins after the confiscation is announced.
NOTE THIS: - -
Failure to turn in your gold will reap no benefit - - AS YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIND A BUYER — DUE TO CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
. . . . If you would like a copy of these regulations with an explanatory bulletin, you should contact our office at 1-800-543-0486 requesting a copy. Once you see the regulations in print — pursuant to the Patriot Act from the federal website, you will realize that the freedom to own gold, achieved only in 1975 — is going to COME TO AN END ONCE AGAIN.
WHEN WILL CONFISCATION COME ??
. . . . There is no way to know the day of the confiscation decision pursuant to the regulations of the Patriot Act
. . . . However, in our publisher, Lawrence Patterson’s view — having been involved in gold since 1966. . . . and having studied the monetary system of the U.S. and its accumulated debts . . . . current events indicate that time is clearly running out for negotiations with China (and other countries) — for a stable universally accepted currency . . . . The dollar has routinely slipped and slipped month after month and year after year to lower and lower levels against foreign currencies, especially against the Pound, the Euro and the Yen.
. . . . This makes many countries unwilling to continue to accept the monetary unit of the United States . Thus, a conflagration is about to unfold . |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:20 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| TheLovedOne
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9/29/2008 11:29 AM
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i see your bump and i raise you another |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:32 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:32 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
Maybe you hadn't heard yet..
All of the below laws were signed and
approved last year (May 2007) by
President Bush, and can be enforced in
the event of a "national emergency" that
he believes affects the entire country.
10995 Seizure of all print and electronic media in the United States
10997 Seizure of all electric power, fuels, and minerals, public and private
10998 Seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private, including farms and equipment.
10999 Seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks or any other vehicles, including control over highways, harbors, and waterways.
11000 Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision; it allows the government to split up families if they believe that it is necessary.
11001 Seizure of all health, education, and welfare facilities, public and private.
11002 Registration by the Postmaster General of all men, women, and children for government service.
11003 Seizure of all airports and aircraft.
11004 Seizure of all housing and finance authorities; authority to establish forced relocation, designate areas that must be abandoned as 'unsafe'. Establishment of new locations for population groups, building of new housing on public land.
11005 Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways, and storage warehouses, public and private.
11051 Authorize the Office of Emergency Planning to put the above orders into effect in times of increased international tension or financial crisis. Quoting: Nailer45 |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:40 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:41 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
They cannot take what they do not know you have...why do people get all worked up about this? |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:41 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
actually, all this is in the Trading w/ the enemy act (1917) (amended 1933) . The "UScitizens are the enemy since 1933. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 11:44 AM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
Maybe you hadn't heard yet..
All of the below laws were signed and
approved last year (May 2007) by
President Bush, and can be enforced in
the event of a "national emergency" that
he believes affects the entire country.
10995 Seizure of all print and electronic media in the United States
10997 Seizure of all electric power, fuels, and minerals, public and private
10998 Seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private, including farms and equipment.
10999 Seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks or any other vehicles, including control over highways, harbors, and waterways.
11000 Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision; it allows the government to split up families if they believe that it is necessary.
11001 Seizure of all health, education, and welfare facilities, public and private.
11002 Registration by the Postmaster General of all men, women, and children for government service.
11003 Seizure of all airports and aircraft.
11004 Seizure of all housing and finance authorities; authority to establish forced relocation, designate areas that must be abandoned as 'unsafe'. Establishment of new locations for population groups, building of new housing on public land.
11005 Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways, and storage warehouses, public and private.
11051 Authorize the Office of Emergency Planning to put the above orders into effect in times of increased international tension or financial crisis.
US PATRIOT ACT II
SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.
A Brief Analysis of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003
Also Known as USA Patriot Act II
1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, ensuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.
2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.
I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:
SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.
Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.
SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.
SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.
SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.
SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.
SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.
SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.
SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.
SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.
SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."
SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.
SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of "surveillance without a court order."
SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."
*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.
SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.
SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.
SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.
SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal agents.
SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.
SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.
SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.
SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.
SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.
SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.
SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.
SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.
SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.
SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.
SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.
SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.
SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.
SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.
SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities. There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state legislation in modern world history. Quoting: Nailer45
C'mon and sieze me MFs..... |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 12:01 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
They cannot take what they do not know you have...why do people get all worked up about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475356
Lets pretend you had invested and owned in your possession, gold bullion that you had bought from dealers, in preparation of TSHTF scenarios.
Now, what are you going to do with that gold? It's worthless. You can't trade it to citizens because it's worthless to them. Commodities like water, food, tools, etc are the gold...but here's why:
All the gold dealers have had to register their bullion and their sales. Confiscation is actually the wrong word, it's a Gold Recall. And it will be a punishable crime for any dealer to pay you for your gold. Not only will they NOT pay you for your gold, they will probably turn you over to the authorities for still owning it.
There might be one or two dealers out there that will go underground, but good luck for the average "gold" guy that thought he was really preparing, when he should have been investing in a piece of land with a well on it. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 12:05 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
and so easy to trace!
having a stockpile of gold is like painting a big bullseye on your front door.
concentrating all your wealth into a nice compact package makes it so much easier to take away |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 3:17 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
BAILOUT FAILED.
CENTRAL BANKS WANT PAYMENT IN GOLD. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 3:31 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 3:58 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
is  ok to have.
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
will they confiscate wedding rings? |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 4:09 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
will they confiscate wedding rings? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505084
I think it's just U.S. coinage and bullion, for starters. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 4:28 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 4:29 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
US mint has stopped all gold sales...............
over...........................
game over sheep............................ |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 4:33 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
will they confiscate wedding rings?
I think it's just U.S. coinage and bullion, for starters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 513215
i guess i'll take my gold coins down to the jeweler and have them melted down into big fat gold rings or something nice.
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| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 6:42 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
Jim Cramer hypeing the people to buy gold right now.
*laughing while sipping on my nice pure well-water, overlooking my bass stocked tank* |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2008 6:59 PM | | Re: THE OFFICIAL GOLD CONFISCATION THREAD....PG 17 US PATRIOT ACT...READY FOR IT | Quote |
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| watchdog
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