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Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted

 
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As for carbon dating, we know it is useless for dating beyond 4,000 years or so.


re; carbon dating.
I've heard that carbon dating isn't very valid beyond (approx.)-10,000yrs.
Your figure is probably much more recent than mine.
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Modern carbon dating is good to about 50,000 years BP:

[link to www.howstuffworks.com]
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MAN, do some more research. Seek out those archeologists! You are using one referece based on religion? What about carbon dating, fossils and scientific information? I think God would disagree with you.
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I am using THE reference: the bible.

I'll answer your concerns about carbon dating, fossils, and other scientific information in three successive responses, so as not to get overly long in one.

Fossils:

Dr. Arlton C. Murray --

For most of his life he has worked at excavating fossils and preparing them for professional display. He has worked for the Smithsonian Institution and the National Park Service in Washington, DC, and for the William Penn Museum in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. More recently he excavated a dinosaur for Liberty University’s museum in Lynchburg, Virginia. He has built up such a knowledge about fossils, and enjoys his work with them so much, that when he lectures or talks on this subject he is usually introduced as ‘Mr Fossil’.

Dr. Murray worked for 27 years with the Smithsonian Institution as a field collector and preparator of vertebrate fossils.

For example, he says, ‘Evolutionists assume that in each sedimentary stratum certain fossils appear to be distinctively abundant. To them, these fossils are labelled as index fossils. So they come to the conclusion that the fossils are the means of dating the rocks. But how do they know that index fossils only lived in certain ages and not in others?’ He says the answer is simply the assumption that evolution is true!

Dr. Murray also sees a major obstacle for evolutionists in the fact that the fossil record contains no indication that one type of creature has turned into a completely different type. ‘There is not a single intermediate fossil ever found’, he says. ‘All fossils that are found clearly show that each has developed “after its kind”, as the Bible tells us.’
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According to a show on the Discovery Channel a few years ago I watched as they showed tracks in rock of both humans and dinosours side by side. It was in a creek bed in Texas. Dry weather had dried up the creek exposing the previously unseen rock. The foot prints were examined by sceintists and palientoligists and verified. Both sets of footprints were put down at the same general time.
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Can I ask what methods/techniques were used to date these humanoid and dinosaur footprints if you know please?
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Dr. Murray also sees a major obstacle for evolutionists in the fact that the fossil record contains no indication that one type of creature has turned into a completely different type. ‘There is not a single intermediate fossil ever found’, he says. ‘All fossils that are found clearly show that each has developed “after its kind”, as the Bible tells us.’
 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts


I just posted this on another thread, but it seems appropriate here:


Firstly, the law of thermodynamics completely excludes the theory of evolution in the rational mind.

Further, there exists no proof, I repeat, no proof to support a vertical geological column.

There is not one single evidence anywhere on the planet to support transitional form of species. Not one single proof exists.

Evolutionists are usually silent even though this is a vital part of the theory, with the exception of a few scientists who grasp at straws to keep Evolution alive.

For example, there was a professor at Stanford who attempted to propose a theory supporting evolution called "The Hopeful Monster Theory".

According to this theory, the snake laid its eggs in the sand, they hatched, and birds flew out.

Personally, I think that theory and any other such bird brain explanations for which no proof exists, may be exactly that; for the birds.
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"I am using THE reference: the bible."

No offence, but the bible is not a definitive reference by any means, never mind "THE".. you are entitled to your opinion though, of course.
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that's a crazy thing to believe, when i was younger i wished it was true though, didn't they make a kids movie like that?
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you know what else is funny, scientist claim they base their studys on observed facts....

i like science my self but ill use a good example of what i mean....

stars die all the time, they have been seen many times so im sure most agree stars die correct?

now they say also that stars are born also and state it as fact, yet they have never seen even one or even close to seeing one...
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According to a show on the Discovery Channel a few years ago I watched as they showed tracks in rock of both humans and dinosours side by side. It was in a creek bed in Texas. Dry weather had dried up the creek exposing the previously unseen rock. The foot prints were examined by sceintists and palientoligists and verified. Both sets of footprints were put down at the same general time.


Can I ask what methods/techniques were used to date these humanoid and dinosaur footprints if you know please?
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I didn't see an age for these tracks in the bible.ca article. Did anyone else?
What is the age of the Taylor Trail tracks?

And also, as highlandmists asks above, what method was used?
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She is right!

I mean, I saw Sarah in the Flintstones a lot of times...

Or... wait... wasnt that...? nevermind
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I am using THE reference: the bible.

Thats THE key isssue Dread Robert Pirates: You use the bible as some book you seem to see as some 100 percent truthfull source or inspiration, or whatever.

But in the minds of other people there is no 'universal law' or a seal saying '100 percent approved', there is not even the knowledge or certainty that we, as people, will ever find such a source.

Many of those people you find among scientists. An contrary to their often dull, grey image, those people are often way more openminded, adventurous and brave when it comes to 'truthseeking' then the people who sit on their back and just keep yelling: This book is right, no discussion possible, end of story.

Take a look back at our human history for the lets, lets say 6000 years (;-)) and you will see that the one with doubts, the ones who were raising questions have achieved far more important things for mankind in its entirety, then the smallminded, dogmatic ones who keep sticking their nose in some book, and dont realise the rest of the world is living and evolving outside them....
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Disclaimer: I'm neither creationist nor evolutionist, frankly I think the answer lies somewhere in between, but I do believe history as we're taught it is a pack of lies.

Images on the Ica Stones show human type figures riding in Pterodactyls while hunting dinosaurs (left), an amazing global map showing the continents (center), and other activities not yet understood. [link to www.viewzone.com]
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Don't be a God-Damn IDIOT!!! At times (albeit rare) you've had some pretty good things to say, and you destroy any credibility you may have engendered by revealing something about yourself as assanine as this belief. WOW! Just fucking WOW!!

wtf
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Let Dinosaurs and people peacefully coexist
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The Taylor Trail, human footprints with dinosaur tracks:

[link to www.bible.ca]

not incredibly convincing "evidence"....though the shape and size of the majority of those tracks deemed "human" could be such, it's the minority of them that get my attention.... specifically, the "splayed" depressions that are evident in the "forward" section...were these "cavemen" wearing swimfins? or could these be an example of the type of print left by running on sand...the heel digs in much deeper, while the toes leave a much shallower impression...those splayed prints give the impression of a more "birdfooted" creature(running carnivore), as opposed to the "elephant footed"(strolling large herbivore) larger prints.... of course, this is purely conjecture on my part, just as giving those smaller prints human origin is by others.....


Your observations are certainly valid. And, you make very good points. I've wondered about quite a few "scientific" explanations, myself.
What seems obvious sometimes, is not so accurate, after all.
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thank you for taking the time to read and observe....i'd also like to chime in that one really cant accurately date sedimentary rock, by the age of the matrix... if we use sandstone as an example, one is dating the origin of the sand that the matrix is made out of... as sand is for the most part, a byproduct of erosion, one will only get the age of the original mineral deposit that was eroded... though one could get a fairly accurate date from an obvious volcanic stone, or organic matter actually preserved in that sandstone matrix.....those would tend to show a "time of deposition".... just some more muddying of the waters from yours truly...lol
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Dr. Murray also sees a major obstacle for evolutionists in the fact that the fossil record contains no indication that one type of creature has turned into a completely different type. ‘There is not a single intermediate fossil ever found’, he says. ‘All fossils that are found clearly show that each has developed “after its kind”, as the Bible tells us.’


I just posted this on another thread, but it seems appropriate here:


Firstly, the law of thermodynamics completely excludes the theory of evolution in the rational mind.

Further, there exists no proof, I repeat, no proof to support a vertical geological column.

There is not one single evidence anywhere on the planet to support transitional form of species. Not one single proof exists.

Evolutionists are usually silent even though this is a vital part of the theory, with the exception of a few scientists who grasp at straws to keep Evolution alive.

For example, there was a professor at Stanford who attempted to propose a theory supporting evolution called "The Hopeful Monster Theory".

According to this theory, the snake laid its eggs in the sand, they hatched, and birds flew out.

Personally, I think that theory and any other such bird brain explanations for which no proof exists, may be exactly that; for the birds.
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Jesus, another brain-dead Jesus Freak lunatic. No wonder this world is so fucked up. A pithed frog has more brains than you.
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Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted



Well that's obviously true.

You saw McCain at the debate with Obama.



How much proof do you need?
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Here she may not be wrong :


[link to www.s8int.com]


see this website and explore it, it's worth !!!



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Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.

After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.

Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.


[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

She is saying that dinosaurs and humans co-existed because they did. It's the truth.

God made the whole earth 6000 years ago.

Photos of tracks here
[link to www.bible.ca]

The story we have all heard from movies, television, newspapers, and most magazines and textbooks is that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs ‘ruled the Earth’ for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages. They only uncover dead dinosaurs (i.e., their bones), Scientists only find the bones in the here and now, and because many of them are evolutionists, they try to fit the story of the dinosaurs into their view.

Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process. This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be ‘in between,’ as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these ‘transitional forms,’ as they are called, should be abundant. However, they are not.

Much other evidence for Palin's belief (and mine) that dinosaurs and people lived together. Palin is right.

Let the wacko bashing begin. <duck!>
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And I was hoping that you had some potential!

Jeesh!
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I am using THE reference: the bible.

Thats THE key isssue Dread Robert Pirates: You use the bible as some book you seem to see as some 100 percent truthfull source or inspiration, or whatever.

But in the minds of other people there is no 'universal law' or a seal saying '100 percent approved', there is not even the knowledge or certainty that we, as people, will ever find such a source.

Many of those people you find among scientists. An contrary to their often dull, grey image, those people are often way more openminded, adventurous and brave when it comes to 'truthseeking' then the people who sit on their back and just keep yelling: This book is right, no discussion possible, end of story.

Take a look back at our human history for the lets, lets say 6000 years (;-)) and you will see that the one with doubts, the ones who were raising questions have achieved far more important things for mankind in its entirety, then the smallminded, dogmatic ones who keep sticking their nose in some book, and dont realise the rest of the world is living and evolving outside them....
 Quoting: Mercurius 508864

You are right, I do believe the bible to be 100% true.

I know there is a gulf, a chasm, a great divide between believers in the bible and those who don't believe. I know I can't say anything to convince you that Jesus is real and His bible 100% sufficient for all things. I ownt try other than to say keep an open heart.

As for the world, Jesus said for us to be IN the world, but not OF the world, so even then I know that there is a great lot of society that thinks us dogmatic, hypocritical, small minded and narrow.

You see, I was one of them just a couple of years ago. I remember what it was like on the other side, believing that the evangelicals are all nutcases with no brains.

I agree with you that there has been a lot of good done for the world by people but by folks of all stripes- Christians and non-christians. Martin Luther did a lot for the world, as well as Tyndale, William Carey, Shakespeare, Ghandi...

I love my book and I stick my nose in it as much as I can. And then I go out and share the wealth of knowledge and information from that book with all I meet. Including you! ;)
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Jesus, another brain-dead Jesus Freak lunatic. No wonder this world is so fucked up. A pithed frog has more brains than you.
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Would you please direct me to proof of the existence of the vertical geological column?

Or, is all you have as a basis to support your argument "whitty" comments?
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Here she may not be wrong :


[link to www.s8int.com]


see this website and explore it, it's worth !!!




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SEE THIS WEBSITE !!
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Dinosaurs And People Coexisted
... and became running mates
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According to a show on the Discovery Channel a few years ago I watched as they showed tracks in rock of both humans and dinosours side by side. It was in a creek bed in Texas. Dry weather had dried up the creek exposing the previously unseen rock. The foot prints were examined by sceintists and palientoligists and verified. Both sets of footprints were put down at the same general time.
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Wrong.
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MAN, do some more research. Seek out those archeologists! You are using one referece based on religion? What about carbon dating, fossils and scientific information? I think God would disagree with you.


I am using THE reference: the bible.

I'll answer your concerns about carbon dating, fossils, and other scientific information in three successive responses, so as not to get overly long in one.

Fossils:

Dr. Arlton C. Murray --

For most of his life he has worked at excavating fossils and preparing them for professional display. He has worked for the Smithsonian Institution and the National Park Service in Washington, DC, and for the William Penn Museum in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. More recently he excavated a dinosaur for Liberty University’s museum in Lynchburg, Virginia. He has built up such a knowledge about fossils, and enjoys his work with them so much, that when he lectures or talks on this subject he is usually introduced as ‘Mr Fossil’.

Dr. Murray worked for 27 years with the Smithsonian Institution as a field collector and preparator of vertebrate fossils.

For example, he says, ‘Evolutionists assume that in each sedimentary stratum certain fossils appear to be distinctively abundant. To them, these fossils are labelled as index fossils. So they come to the conclusion that the fossils are the means of dating the rocks. But how do they know that index fossils only lived in certain ages and not in others?’ He says the answer is simply the assumption that evolution is true!

Dr. Murray also sees a major obstacle for evolutionists in the fact that the fossil record contains no indication that one type of creature has turned into a completely different type. ‘There is not a single intermediate fossil ever found’, he says. ‘All fossils that are found clearly show that each has developed “after its kind”, as the Bible tells us.’
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Wow. A cluster of strawman argumants. Those are logical fallacies, dummy.
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As for carbon dating, we know it is useless for dating beyond 4,000 years or so.


re; carbon dating.
I've heard that carbon dating isn't very valid beyond (approx.)-10,000yrs.
Your figure is probably much more recent than mine.


Modern carbon dating is good to about 50,000 years BP:

[link to www.howstuffworks.com]
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Carbon 14 is not the only element used fopr radioactive dating. Numerous elements are used, each with differing accuracy ranges.
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As for carbon dating, we know it is useless for dating beyond 4,000 years or so.


re; carbon dating.
I've heard that carbon dating isn't very valid beyond (approx.)-10,000yrs.
Your figure is probably much more recent than mine.


Modern carbon dating is good to about 50,000 years BP:

[link to www.howstuffworks.com]



Carbon 14 is not the only element used fopr radioactive dating. Numerous elements are used, each with differing accuracy ranges.
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[link to geology.about.com]
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My guess is you have never been to Glen Rose Texas where there is plenty of evidence to support her comment
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What I'd like to see is how they can determine the age of sedimentary rock without the use of index fossils. The vertical geologic column is the evolutionist's touchstone.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.

After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.

Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.


[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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I like Sarah palin, but evedently she has had a bad teacher at church. Does it really matter to you that she dosent believe that. Do you want her to think as you do. Someday she will know what she needs to know. I think she is a very good person. I will tell you oe thing, she was with God before she was here with us. So were you. But there was an overthrow. And it was before the Earth as we know was created. Jerimiah chapter-4. All things are in Gods Word. THe were cities, flowers birds, But no man. Not physical anyway. Phil
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Fucking bizarre-O christians andtheir fucking stupid beliefs.

Yeah, the earth is flat too, according to that imbecile the "punisher".

I hate christians so much.

Real nice
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Thats ok friend. You dont have to believe. Thats you choice. See you in Revelation 14-15. have a nice eternity
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Fucking bizarre-O christians andtheir fucking stupid beliefs.

Yeah, the earth is flat too, according to that imbecile the "punisher".

I hate christians so much.

Real nice

Thats ok friend. You dont have to believe. Thats you choice. See you in Revelation 20 vs 14-15. have a nice eternity
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