ive only shot a rifle once 25 yrs ago, and ashamed to say i blackened my eye, - was to close to the scope, and ended up on my ass some 5 feet back. ill leave the guns/ammo to the men. (for now; but if there comes a time for me to use it, then...out of my way, cant guarantee ill hit my target)
don't let one bad experience sway you, odds are you were not given proper instruction before you shot, i know several women that can shoot as good as any man i know
She's jerking the trigger...Cant Hit Sh*t.
(1) Take three deep breaths thru the nose.
(2) exhale 1/2 of the third breath and hold cross hairs.
(3) SQUEEZE ! the trigger slowly.
The actuall shot should surprise the shooter when it goes off.
Infact! the more surprised you are when the rifle goes off, the better the shot will be.
Now all you need to know is projectile performance at certain ranges and wind direction and speed.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495098
oh give me a fucking break, my post was in response to women shooting guns, as this was clearly a woman shooting one of the most feared weapons on earth. and i certainly don't see how you think being surprised makes for a great marksman?
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Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
SHR gave excellent advice. I would add if you want a serious long range heavy hitting sniper rifle go with the .338 lapua.
I have a 375H&H that also works well, couldn't pass up the price at the time....
Quoting: Omega
Thanks man...that 375H&H is a bulldozer....lol....shot next to one with my .300 once...just the cartriage inpressed the hell out of me. Wanted to mention a few of the more common rounds out there. There are some other real outstanding choices if you want to get off the beaten path more. ____________________________________________________
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Phennommennonn The Queen Of Mean User ID: 476887 10/6/2008 1:29 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
ive only shot a rifle once 25 yrs ago, and ashamed to say i blackened my eye, - was to close to the scope, and ended up on my ass some 5 feet back. ill leave the guns/ammo to the men. (for now; but if there comes a time for me to use it, then...out of my way, cant guarantee ill hit my target)
don't let one bad experience sway you, odds are you were not given proper instruction before you shot, i know several women that can shoot as good as any man i know
Quoting: malu
im sure if i had to id manage hun....my father is a sportsman, but he wont let me look crooked at his rifles.
and youre right, i wasnt taught - i was handed the 30/30. when i shot, and got nailed in the eye w/the scope, then blown back several feet - i felt like wile e coyote in the aftermath of one of his acme explosions. ~Galatians 4:16
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 504807 10/6/2008 2:00 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
there is no more truly free speech sir.... careful what you say...
I dont think anyone will discuss this with you because of that.
What? We can't discuss hunting?
I mean, if I wanted to bag a deer from, say, up-to and including 1 mile, what would I use?
rofl....unless you live in the rocky mountains, a shot at serious game over 300 yds is a joke...and, at that range, you really need to be an excellent shot....shooting at somethin a mile away is the realm of artillery, not shoulder fired weapons....if you dont know anything about rifles, odds are you have no business contemplating "sniping".... it's the skill of the shooter, not the rifle, that gets the job done.... soviet snipers of ww2 used scoped mosin-nagants, which by many standards are really sub-standard rifles, yet they accomplished some fantastic results....some basics for you....front locking bolt action....varmint, or target weight barrel....synthetic, or glass bedded in wood stock.... free floated barrel....a stock that actually fits your build.... a military scope, or an extremely robust hunting scope(no target models, too delicate)....your scope must be permanently mounted(no quick detachable mounts).... and lots of ammo, because you're going to have to do alot of shooting just to get competent, let alone become expert enough to realise the potential of your rifle.... once you can call your shots within say a 1/4 inch at 200 yds, come back and ill give you some recommendations on all the aspects of long range hole punching......
Quoting: ambiguity unlimited
Smile.... Yep, not everybody understands the requirements of long range shooting. Not only do you have to have all the right parts and the right fit, you HAVE to have the right person. I was cutting holes at 100 yards this weekend and showing somebody how to get a better position. You shoot with both eyes open?
Any rifles you buy......Obama will take them from you...He has already said he would. So...you are just wasting your $$$$$$$
Thats bull crap. If it were possible. Bush would have done it already.
Quoting: Douggie
Hmmmmm...I seem to remember Clinton making many rifles illegal, then Bush letting that law expire. Today's democrats hate guns. Their record is clear on the matter, as is Obama's. He is on record supporting the ban of ALL semi-automatic firearms. Sorry ladies, Obama thinks you should not have a 5 round semi-automatic shotgun to protect your children with, he would rather handicap you with a hard kicking single shot break action.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 504807 10/6/2008 2:41 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
I recommend a heavy barrel 308. Either a Remington 700 or Savage 10FP Tactical.
At the top of the heap would be the 50 bmg which will come in at around 5k for a semi auto version. After that I would go with a 308 heavy barrel. The Marine Corps uses the 308 as a sniper rifle and with the right equipment you can pull off a 1000 yard shot (over half a mile). That would be my choice for MANY reasons.
1. 30-06, .308 known as brush rifle because twigs and small branches won't deviate the flight path.
2. Since you wouldn't have Wal-Mart access to ammo in a scenario you are imagining you want a common round the will have good availability for brass and bullets. the 30 cal round is very common.
3. Barrel wear. If you were to encounter the scenario you are thinking of you don't want too hot a round because the throat of the barrel and quality of the rifling will drop much sooner than a 308 would. Rifles like the 300 win mag while powerful as hell is not going to hang in there as long.
4. Portability. Have you seen the size of a 50 bmg rifle? Pack that thing for very long and your nads will drop.
5. Learn to camouflage yourself and disguise the ejected brass. Nice shiny brass being ejected into the sunlight will end poorly for you. Most of being the sniper is stealth/invisible.
6. Learn good positioning. You want a relaxed natural point of aim with good bone support. You don't want to be straining (even in the slightest) to hold the sights on target. Also, the more squishy parts holding the rifle on target the worse the shot will be. You want a good cheek weld on the stock and your arms set in a way to maximize stability.
7. Start by shooting with both eyes open and intermittently afterward. You'll notice that last second wobble that you didn't notice before as the trigger is squeezed off. Some of this is just anticipating the round going off and tensing up. Another part is a heavy trigger. Just about any gun smith can lighten the pull of the trigger. You want a short, crisp trigger.
Did I miss anything?
AntiHero User ID: 472417 10/6/2008 3:02 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
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Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
I havent read all the pages, but for the money, this is the best bang in 300WM...the Savage 110FP. Not the smoothest action...and cheap stock, but excellent barrel and comes full power.
I lucked out and had a Savage .308 passed down to me. It's not the greatest picture, but here it is...
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Evil Twin Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 518772 10/6/2008 11:29 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
I lucked out and had a Savage .308 passed down to me. It's not the greatest picture, but here it is...
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Wow, that is a beautiful stock! To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q...
I lucked out and had a Savage .308 passed down to me. It's not the greatest picture, but here it is...
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Wow, that is a beautiful stock!
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 515251 10/6/2008 11:37 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
ive only shot a rifle once 25 yrs ago, and ashamed to say i blackened my eye, - was to close to the scope, and ended up on my ass some 5 feet back. ill leave the guns/ammo to the men. (for now; but if there comes a time for me to use it, then...out of my way, cant guarantee ill hit my target)
don't let one bad experience sway you, odds are you were not given proper instruction before you shot, i know several women that can shoot as good as any man i know
im sure if i had to id manage hun....my father is a sportsman, but he wont let me look crooked at his rifles.
and youre right, i wasnt taught - i was handed the 30/30. when i shot, and got nailed in the eye w/the scope, then blown back several feet - i felt like wile e coyote in the aftermath of one of his acme explosions.
Quoting: Phennommennonn
That's awful, was he just trying to put you off shooting or did he not know how to give instruction? I've taught a few new shooters how to shoot scoped rifle, you have to watch them closely every time they shoulder the rifle. Noobs never seem to understand about scope eye relief without being shown at least five or six times before you let them chamber a live round.
buttercup User ID: 437387 10/11/2008 10:38 AM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
A real sniper rifle is a longrange precision weapon, at least that is the context since Berdan in the Civil War.
A real sniper rifle will weigh about 17 -20 lbs when outfitted with ammunition, scope & mounts, bipod and likley stock weighting. There are precision/accuracy rifles that weigh less, but these are tending toward designated marksman use in military deployment.
Not much use for a "sniper rifle", unless you are being paid/deployed to make that one shot, at distance from a hidden (hide) location. Sniper Rifle will also cost about $4000 w/o scope. Add up to another $4k for scope, mounts, and accoutrement.
The proper scope and mounting system is undoubtedly the heart of any longrange precision rifle. Take a production Remington 700 Varmint Special (H-S Precision stocked model) in .308Winchester, 24-26" barrel; feed it precision match ammunition, and scope it with the best gear available and likely it will shoot better than you can hold. Remington 700 PSS, Sendero or other heavy barrel rifles like Savage or Winchester 70 Heavy Varmint will do the same.
Most of the variables are in the scope system. Although if you choose to go .223/5.56 you will need a custom barrel with 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist to stabilize 80gr or 90gr bullets. A 1:10 twist, (1:11.25 for semi-auto 168/175gr .308s) is considered optimum for 30 cal rifles shooting up to 220gr bullets.
The H-S Precision stock is a superb piece of kit. Many like McMillan stocks, but as far as a precision unscrew your old stock, tighten the action screws on the new one proposition, the H-S is superb! The integral action block is machined aluminum and requires no bedding. Just set the tension on the action screws between 40-65 INCH Pounds with a torque wrench. You might even vary the tension a bit with the greater value on the front action screw. You are using the hex or torx head action screws aren't you?
As stated before, the heart of any precision longrange rifle is the scope and mounting system. Unless the rifle is very badly in need of gunsmithing or a new barrel, your big money should go into your scope. A Rem 700 with heavy barrel and H-S stock will cost anywhere from $600 used for a plain barrel blued model, to about $1200 for a brand new stainless w/fluted barrel rig.
The scope base and rings are the most critical add-on components for accuracy. If you read the snipershide.com and snipercountry.com websites, and you should; you will find much in contention on the subject. Badger Ordnance is probably the best all around maker of precision kit, although I prefer Near Manufacturing bases and rings from Tactical Precision. The Near base is the finest in the world and the TPS rings are the best value for the money. Smith Enterprises, Leupold, Warne, and even Weaver also are excellent. There are others out there as well.
The precision longrange scope is a special instrument often weighing 3lbs or more, at least by the makers the gear-fags tout on the sniper sites. If someone is carrying your other gear, or you don't intend to use your rifle in a mobile mode, maybe weight won't matter? I have owned a couple of the boat anchor IOR and Nightforce NXS scopes. I sold them, since I am not a "sniper".
What I have found to work are Leupold mark 4 fixed 10 power scopes, and I prefer the M3 turrets which have 1moa click values for elevation, and the Leupold LRT/mk4 variables; especially the 4.5-14x mk4. Why these scopes? They are rugged, lightweight and have very phenomenal reticle elevation range. The 4.5-14 has 100 inches of elevation travel. With a 30moa forward cant (longrange) base, this gives you about 80moa of elevation adjustment.
Planning to make those longrange, 1000yd shots??? Better have a scope that you can battlesight zero and dial for another 50+ moa. MOA Minute Of Angle, a measure of about 1.08" per 100yds. Many hunting scopes as well as varmint scopes don't have the range of reticle adjustment to serve for longrange shooting, not unless you are shooting a bullet at 4500fps and with a balllistic coefficient of .650 or better... I don't know of such a creature.
So, your scope has to be rock steady and also capable of wide ranging reticle movement, and being able to repeat those movements without variance or change Everytime!! Very demanding.
We haven't even begun to discuss compensation for humidity, elevation/air pressure, and wind. If you can gauge the wind, and know how to use a precision scope, and possess a reasonably accurate rifle and supply of ammunition, you probably have the necessary skills to snipe.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 462678 10/11/2008 2:02 PM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
The M82A1 SASR isn't the only weapon of its type which can pierce the armor of an APC causing it to explode in flame, with a single shot.
Interesting...
I was reading about some rifles which have the ability to tear through even the ENGINE COMPARTMENT of vehicles...
Obviously, that's excessive for deer hunting but I had no idea there were rifles that powerful. I guess that'd blow a deer in two, huh?
In 1973 my notorcycle was repeatedly rammed from behind by a Dodge while traveling on an interstate.
Third attempt, I fired Canadian surplus 9mm full metal jacket slugs into their car, from a Browning HP. Shots hit through radiator,into engine block, and into windshield.
It penetrated the engine block enough to stop it.
I turned myself into a Highway Patrolman next rest stop and reported the incident.
Obeying the law is what has kept me out of jail these many years.
I shall not break the law now , and encourage all others to obey the law.
Use a firearm only as a last resort, in defense.
Tell cops the truth, cooperate with investigations.
It works for me.
Quoting: himself 517002
Pardon my confusion but after 27 years in the LE field I wonder why you use the term "turn yourself in". Moat states allow for the use of force and/or deadly force in a situation in which a party would be in REASONABLE fear of death or serious physical injury.
In such a case as yours....you would be the ( please: I hate be considered as such but it is the proper term) victim. The asshole ramming a motorcycle at Interstate speads, or any other for that matter would be the suspect or hopefully the defendant or maybe even if he would not stop...the decedent a la Perry mason.
I am assuming that you reported the crime in which someone attempted to seriously injure or kill you to the LE nearest to you after you were safe. Personally I and the guys I work with would have gone to the trunk of our car(s) and retrieved a box of ammo to replenish your supply. Force and deadly force are unfortunately necessary in this fucked u country.
I am glad it went well for you but sometimes it's all in how you state the circumstances as to what may or may not happen to you after a situation like that including in your case; if they had read you your rights you would have immediately invoked them.
All LE does not have a good grasp and appreciation for the 2nd amendmaent or the harsh realities of being a civilian where you do not have help at the end of a microphone cord and must make those decisions in a split second only to have other evaluate your actions from the comfort of a big overstufffed recliner without the fear, isolation and personal exposure to danger you would have been operating under. Gotta love that Browning High Power too.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 480936 10/11/2008 2:30 PM
Re: Let's Get Serious: I Think It's Time To Talk SNIPER RIFLES.
Most people are better off forgeting about sniping-learn to use your iron sights- If you really want to use a scope a scout rifle's probably the way to go ie an M44 with a 2X pistol scope mounted for quick a sight pic-zeroed in at 100 yds. V.good battle rifles is what I'd look for Enfields, M44, M38 or M39, Mauser, SKS etc.
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