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Evidence for Sumatra Quake Leans towards Meteorite Strike

 
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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No evidence for a meteor strike was shown in the original post. Had it been a meteor there would be radar evidence from several countries.
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ASIA TSUNAMI EVENT DEPTH ONLY 2.5 MI (METEOR IMPACT?) *PIC*

Posted By: Geneticus
Date: Thursday, 30 December 2004, 2:11 a.m.

The image at the bottom of the page is a deep ocean bouy that gives an early warning of tsunami threat. Accordind to the Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunamis (DART) organization, these bouys are mounted to the sea floor. This fact becomes an important piece of the puzzle as we procede through an exercise in simple logic and mathmatics to determine the ocean depth at the point of the tsunami as compared to the depth of the EQ event. I find it interesting to notice how the exact depth of the ocean at the event site has been left out of every news report.

( [link to www.ndbc.noaa.gov]

According to the latest reports from Bloomberg.com, the depth of the earthquake is reported to have been 10 kilometers, which is 6.21 miles.

( [link to www.bloomberg.com]

According to Sify News, a new early warning system will be deployed in the area of the Indian ocean to detect tsunami threats. If the system is anything like the existing systems, it will also be mounted to the ocean floor. Sify News states the new system will be deployed at a depth of "6 kilometers under the Indan Ocean." That is an ocean depth of 3.73 miles. So we know the ocean water accounts for the first 60% of the event depth as reported.

( [link to sify.com]

Crunch the numbers and you come up with an EQ event depth of only 2.5 miles beneath the ocean floor! Only 2.5 miles...this makes me very curious indeed as to the true nature of this gargantuan earth movement.

Compare the event depth of this EQ-tsunami event to some other tsunami-generating EQ events...

Unimak, Alaska - 4/1/1946: depth 25km / 15.53 miles
Kamchatka, Russia - 11/4/1952: depth 30km / 18.64 miles
Chile - 5/22/1960: depth 33km / 20.51 miles
Prince William Sound, Alaska - 3/27/1964: depth 23km / 14.29 miles
Peru - 10/17/1966: depth 60km / 37.28 miles
Mexico - 9/19/1985: depth 17km / 10.56 miles
Vanimo, New Guinea - 7/17/1999: depth 32km / 19.88 miles
Kocaeli, Turkey - 8/17/1999: depth 17km / 10.56 miles
Vanuatu, SW Pacific - 11/26/1999: depth 33km / 20.51 miles
Honshu, Japan - 9/5/2004: depth 14km / 8.7 miles

( [link to www.drgeorgepc.com]

In fact, this most recent event is the least shallow EQ-tsunami event that I have found, so far.

A scientist can shift a decimal here, push a digit there, and I am confident the depth can be fudged down a few miles. All calculations have a margin of error. In my opinion, the chances are not remote that this event actually occured directly on or very near the ocean floor. This is where the logic ends and supposition begins...but I´d say there is a possibility that a meteor or comet impact event caused this EQ and tidal wave based on the the fact that it was relatively near to the ocean floor. The reason for fudging the numbers would be to avoid widespread panic about any remaining and pending impact events on the horizon, as well as surpressing the curiosity of the general public in regards to threats to Earth from approaching space objects.
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SunSpot
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Evidence is that the earthquake happened just off the coast of Indonesia in comparatively shallow water, on the order of 1000 meters. See this ocean depth map:

[link to lists.uakron.edu]

and where the USGS gives the epicenter:

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

I also wonder how accurate the 10 kilometers depth figure is - such a round figure sounds like an estimate.
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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today a story that 16 kg meteorite hit a house in Iran

incoming continues
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I have read the previous posts with interest regarding the possibility of a meteor impact being the cause of the current tragedy. There is some evidence and curiousities that relate to this as a posibility. I offer the following as things to consider:

First, The initial earthquake seismic reports on the Sumatra earthquake was just over 7.2, not the 9.0 that is the current figure. The earthquake´s magnitude was increased several times following the event. This in itself is a significant curiousity as the increases were dramatically higher. This is not something that you would think would have been an error, unless, something else was involved in making the later determinations. Indeed, many of the of the news reports have mentioned with surprise of the level of damages and losses now described. There has also been stories about many areas near the "earthquake" that did not feel any movement of the ground.

Second: The weather in the area did have a large cloud cover, as reported and news reports do indicate a fireball in the sky shortly before the earthquake. And the heavy rains in California are an interesting coincidence.

Third, The Navy is clearly looking for more than survivors. The U.S. Navy has sent a large carrier battlegroup to the area. No carrier group goes anywhere without a large compliment of additional ships, including submarines. Additional ships are designed to detect underwater threats, but more specifically in this case, underwater magnetic anomolies. Further proof is that the Navy has sent THREE P3 Orions to the region, purportedly to look for survivors. However P3 Orions are especially designed to seek out underwater magnetic anomolies. There are also versions of the P3 Orions designed for tracking high speed missles, which would be important if another meteor was expected in the region.

Fourth: A meteorite that would have impacted the area could have been mostly made of iron. Regarding meteorites, it is a good idea to start with one that is known and has been researched. Meteor Crater in Arizona was an iron meteorite, which impacted at an estimated force of 20-million tons of TNT. Additionally, studies have proven that the high speeds of meteorites can
be dramatically slowed as they traverse the atmosphere, which would moderate their impact. An iron meteorite large enough to cause what has happened would certainly be a source of a "magnetic anomoly" searchable by the naval equipment now in the area. The Navy does not need submarines and P3´s to rescue or locate "survivors" nor does it need to provide any defense in the region.

I am posting a few links regarding the P3 Orions, Meteor Crater and the Naval contingent. Other stories are already on this thread. I can no longer find the links to the earlier magnetude levels to the Sumatra Earthquake, but I do believe they may show up on other threads on GLP as people posted some of that earlier in this unfolding event.

Navy dispaches P3´s....
[link to thestar.com.my]
P3 Capabilities....
[link to www.geocities.com]
Berriger Crater....
[link to www.barringercrater.com]
SunSpot
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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>>>> First, The initial earthquake seismic reports on the Sumatra earthquake was just over 7.2, not the 9.0 that is the current figure.

I never saw 7.2, though I do remember 8.1.

Still sounds like people are desperately trying to convince themselves it was a meteorite despite the total absence of any direct evidence.
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Careful, SunSpot, questioning yhe truths of the new guru can get your IP banned.
It happened to me.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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no it doesn´t.
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A lot of meteorites falling from the sky lately, but ´keep on walking´, ´nothing to see here´.

A 16kg meteor hits house in Iran

Friday, December 31, 2004 - ©2004 IranMania.com

LONDON Dec 31 (IranMania) - Iran´s official state news agency reported on Thursday that a meteor which weighed at least 16kg has hit a house in Saravan in Sistan-Baluchestan province.

According to local police there were no injuries. Police only managed to collect some of the meteor fragments as locals had taken the rest away.

The local police official Mohammad Arab described it as a "sparkling crystalline rock".

[link to www.iranmania.com]
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I wonder when the big one´s going to hit.
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I saw this on another thread and got to thinking about it....how come all the reports are about tsunami damage and no one´s talking about the earthquake? I can´t remember one story about anyone feeling it or describing it.

Kind of funny for a 9.0 wouldn´t you think?

But if it was a meteorite that struck the water and then embedded in the sea floor you´d have more stories about tsunamis and the earth ringing and being knocked around, wouldn´t you?

"At the instant an earthquake occurs, P, S and L waves immediately begin racing outward in all directions, losing energy as they spread out. If they encounter no interference, P and S waves for a large earthquake should quickly travel all of the way through the middle of the earth and faintly arrive on the opposite side of the globe. An earthquake at the south pole, for example, would shake the north pole in less than half an hour (though the vibrations would be very weak)."
[link to cse.ssl.berkeley.edu]
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I agree, if there really was an earthquake of 9.0 the damage would have been widespread and millions would still be talking about it, especially in the areas hardest hit by the tsunmai.
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Where´s the earthquake damamge? A 9.0 and over a hundred ´aftershocks´ so far that are major earthquakes by themselves, so where´s the damage? Where are the reports of anyone feeling a 9.0 earthquake?

A lot of shaking going on with information on this one.
Anon
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I have a question for all the people here who think you can not change any movement without an external force. How could the movement of living things be possible if that were true? We break that alleged law every time we move our arms and every time we breathe. Walking across a floor does involve an external force, the pressure of the floor, but the other two movements that I mentioned do not.
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Rash of UFOs in Eastern Hemisphere
Witnesses see action in skies of Indonesia, China, Australia

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Posted: December 20, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


It´s been a busy December for skywatchers in the Eastern Hemisphere, as citizens of Indonesia, China and Australia have all reported seeing unidentified flying objects.

In Indonesia, witnesses told a radio station they saw an object flying across the sky near Jakarta yesterday morning.

Dozens of witnesses claim they heard loud explosions after seeing the object leave a tail of fire.


"It´s suspected that a fireball originating from a big meteor entered the Earth´s atmosphere. ... This created the explosion," Thomas Djamaluddin, an official with the Indonesian space center, LAPAN, told the Antara news agency.

Published reports say Indonesia has been on high alert for fear of attacks by Islamic terrorists during the holiday period.

On Saturday, Dec. 12, hundreds of people in northwest China´s Gansu province witnessed "a strange shining object" sweeping through the sky at 11:36 p.m. local time.

The Gansu daily says it was followed by "earthshaking sounds like bombing." Residents also reported an ensuing tremble felt within 100 kilometers of Lanzhou, the capital of the province.

One man who was driving at the time said he saw "a shining ball with a three-meter-long trail flying from west to east," and that he heard two thunder-like sounds immediately afterward.

More than 700 reports were filed with authorities on the case, with some residents reporting an earthquake, and others claiming a meteor event.

Police, working on the theory it was a meteorite, have been investigating the matter, but haven´t found any evidence of what caused the phenomenon.

As WorldNetDaily reported two weeks ago, Australians were baffled by mysterious, multi-colored lights which appeared to hover in the sky.

Laboratory technician Julie Lynn, a self-described skeptic of unidentified flying objects, said, "It hovered in the one place for at least two hours but had moved significantly when we checked on it again before we went to bed. I can´t believe there are UFOs or little green men out there – there must be an obvious explanation. And we weren´t drinking so it wasn´t something we imagined."
[link to worldnetdaily.com]
SunSpot
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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>>> I saw this on another thread and got to thinking about it....how come all the reports are about tsunami damage and no one´s talking about the earthquake? I can´t remember one story about anyone feeling it or describing it.

Here ya go:

"Speaking calmly but with exhaustion heavy in her brown eyes, 31-year-old Epayani described Thursday how her city just 60 miles from the epicenter of Sunday´s undersea quake suffered a terrible one-two punch of shaking ground and surging waves, losing perhaps half of its 40,000 residents.

"There was an earthquake. Then the earthquake stopped and all of a sudden the water came," recalled Epayani, who uses a single name. She put her right hand on her chest and continued: "I heard the sound of the wave. It was very loud. Imagine hearing the sound of a volcano erupting." The ocean, 200 yards away, was rapidly closing in."

- [link to www.washingtonpost.com]

Odds are most of the people who were close enough to experience the earthquake are either dead or not in a position to communicate. The people in India and Sri Lanka were thousands of miles away, too far away to feel the earthquake.
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And some more:

"The state Antara news agency said that several shops under construction in the Beurawe area of Banda Aceh collapsed and search teams were searching for possible victims -- construction workers who might have been in the buildings.

A witness also told the radio from Sigli the quake caused the dome of the main mosque there to collapse. The witness said there were no reports of any casualties.

The quake was also felt in the North Sumatra province capital of Medan, sparking panic among the population.

Indra Suwarta from the meteorology office in Medan said that there were no reports of any damage or casualties in Medan.

"Damage has been reported in Banda Aceh and also in Meulaboh, were electricity poles and bridges collapsed. But here has not been any report of casualties so far," Suwarta said.

The tremors were felt in Malaysia and as far away as the Thai capital Bangkok, some 1,500 kilometres (930 miles) north of the epicenter, where buildings swayed but no serious damage was reported.

Guests of a high-rise hotel reported chandeliers swinging, according to a manager of the city´s Conrad Hotel, while the Charoen Krung Pracha Rak Hospital evacuated all 400 of its patients as a precaution."

- [link to www.turkishpress.com]
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Ianz2
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Sunspot... don´t try and confuse the issue with facts! We know who employs you.....
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Everytime I go back to thinking earthquake something else interesting comes up. Now this one.

Aeon
1/1/2005
3:32 am EST

Been looking at claims that the event of the 26th was a meteorite impact. To me the evidence is mounting.

Still looking for more stuff but so far some points that need discussing:

1. Previous smaller EQ´s generated MASSIVE waves (eg: Alaska 1958 - 567metres) that did NOT fan out in a circular fashion butfollowed outward in a push fashion in the dirction of the plate movement.

Sunday´s claimed EQ was 9.0 but the wave was only 10m high, and generated waves in concentric circles? This matches a smallish meteorite impact (200-500m diameter).

2. There has never been a EQ generated tsunami recorded in the Indian Ocean, thus there is no Tsunami early warning system in place.

However we have aftershocks registering around the area which proponenets of EQ causation claim "prove" that it was an EQ.
Q: Could a meteorite impact cause small EQ´s for some time after impact? Especially as it landed so close to a fault line?
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pollyanny
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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there was no meteor stupid
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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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The worst of the damage from the initial EQ, and the people who felt that EQ, was shortly thereafter washed away.
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If you say "smallish", try to guess how big the cinetic energy should have been for a meteorite to move so much water.
A monster mass at a monster velocity; not a generic "ball in the sky", but a miles long track of light and smoke to be seen for hours on all the area.
Nothing seen.
Nor the unavoidable column of high temperature steam up to the stratosphere, and the clouds that should still be there today.
Do you still think meteorites?
Lugh Cromain
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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> a meteorite strike into the ocean having come from the Southern Hemispheric skies.

It´s DAMNED hard to believe there are people STUPID enough to believe this crap.



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12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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>>>> Sunday´s claimed EQ was 9.0 but the wave was only 10m high, and generated waves in concentric circles? This matches a smallish meteorite impact (200-500m diameter).

The waves were obviously not generated in concentric circles but in an eastbound wave and a westbound wave, perpendicular to the fault line. Note that Sri Lanka was very hard hit by the tsunami (thousands dead) while Bangladesh was scarcely touched (two dead). A wave expanding equally in all directions would have done much more damage in Bangladesh.
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Dr P
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I´d like to think they´re just pulling our legs, Lugh Cromain, but I´m very much afraid that some of them actually do believe it. But I don´t understand how they manage to avoid being locked up, or how they cope with daily life.

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