Friday, October 3, 2008
The VP Debate: The Reviews Are In
"She wasn’t present. She wasn’t real. She was Sally Sound-byte. This debate was more revealing than the Presidential one last week because it became very clear that she simply doesn’t have the substance to be VP much less President which reflects badly on John McCain's judgment. Obama will crush McCain. Said that months ago. Truer than ever."
-Diane Francis, National Post
"For her part, GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin–speaking with the programmed cadence of a GPS navigation system—used forced folksiness to deliver crammed material in the manner of a high schooler looking to score a good grade on a Spanish test. The kid may escape with a B-minus, but he wouldn’t be able to order a cup of coffee in Spain a week later."
-Dougas Burns, Iowa Independent
"Sarah Palin's high-energy performance in the vice-presidential debate was the most glaring demonstration—since George W. Bush's performances in 2000—of how little you can get away with knowing and still survive one of these things, especially if the rules limit the cross-examination as severely as they did in this debate. Her relentless opacity was impressive. She refused to answer the questions where she hadn't been prepped with answers and when Biden pointed out that an early question had been on deregulation not taxes, she flashed: 'I may not answer the questions the way you and the moderator want to hear, but I'm gonna talk straight to the American people.' Talk straight she didn't, with only a few exceptions. She talked talking points. And when the talking points concerned areas where she didn't know diddly, she didn't talk them very convincingly. Indeed, there were times I got the distinct impression that she didn't understand the points she was talking about (on the vice president's constitutional powers, for example)."
-Joe Klein, Time
"She might have undone whatever good will she earned with her 'aw, shucks' Wasilla hockey mom ways, though, when she utterly failed to react after Biden choked up while discussing the death of his first wife and their daughter. Palin's response was ice cold: 'People aren't looking for more of the same. They are looking for change. And John McCain has been the consummate maverick in the Senate over all these years.'"
-Mike Madden, salon.com
"You can say this about Sarah Palin: She did better debating Joe Biden than she did being interviewed by Katie Couric. But that sets the bar very low indeed. So let's pay Palin the respect of treating her exactly as a male candidate would be treated. And that means saying this: She was simply nowhere near as good as Joe Biden."
-Scot Lehigh, Boston Globe
"To the contrary, it is hard to count any objective measures by which Biden did not clearly win the encounter. She looked like she trying to get people to take her seriously. He looked like he was running for vice president. His answers were more responsive to the questions, far more detailed and less rhetorical. On at least ten occasions, Palin gave answers that were nonspecific, completely generic, pivoted away from the question at hand, or simply ignored it: on global warming, an Iraq exit strategy, Iran and Pakistan, Iranian diplomacy, Israel-Palestine (and a follow-up), the nuclear trigger, interventionism, Cheney's vice presidency and her own greatest weakness."
-John F. Harris and Mike Allen, Politico
For more reactions, go to Daily Kos's great round-up here.
Posted by womenagainstsarahpalin at 12:40 PM
American Women Respond to the VP Debate
She's good at memorizing lines after five weeks of intensive coaching, and delivering them with adequate doses of down-home warmth or arrogant sarcasm. That makes for a decent actress, not a world leader.
-Cheryl D., Houston, TX
She's bought her own PR and really does think she's ready for a role in government of that level. And that takes an extreme amount of arrogance. So for this ticket, we have an angry, irritable, cancer-prone presidential nominee and an arrogant, egotistical, barely educated woman who won't blink when faced with a crisis. Perhaps it's the intellectual in me, but I'd rather have someone willing to use reason and negotiation as their first defense and not their last. McCain and Palin are both a little too trigger-happy for me. And no matter what their campaign is trying to convince us all of, we would only be in for another 4 years of the same failed policies of the current administration. I've had enough of that to last a lifetime.
-Charlotte T., Independent, Anchorage, Alaska
The thought of Palin directing foreign policy and diplomacy efforts based on her Wasilla experiences is, frankly, frightening. She may as well be wearing a sign that says, "I plan to be a puppet, since I do not really know about this stuff."
-Kathy A., CA
Sarah Palin is not ready for either VP or in line to be President. She showed that tonight by repeating her talking points and not responding to Gwen Ifill's questions. Her phrase she "has only been on this for 5 weeks" says it all.
-Elizabeth K.
I just can't imagine Sarah Palin in a national office. It's almost insulting to have her running for high office. She's provincial, misinformed and stubborn. Her views—after tutoring—are not worldly. Good luck to Joe Biden, who seemed quite presidential himself.
-June K., Chapel Hill, NC
First, I should say that I'm a Republican turned Democrat. I was impressed to see Palin successfully work to improve her image... sort of. At one point near the end she said something to the effect of, "It is nice to speak directly to the American people instead of having the media's filter in-between." (or something to that effect). So, I do believe that she successfully improved the general perception of her readiness for the VP office.
That said, I still believe that her expertise in the oil industry does not make up for her lack of foreign policy (and general) experience. On a few occasions she tried to sound like an "average person" by distancing herself from Washington. She said something similar to, "I may not answer the questions the way you would want me to in Washington..." and she also said something about "only having been at this for five weeks." So ultimately, she was validating her own lack of experience during those times when she tried to connect to the public. I guess she proved that she wasn't a babbling moron, but she did evidence her lack of experience. She also avoided answering many questions from the moderator, so she also proved herself as a true politician.
Biden, on the other hand, seemed very comfortable up there, answered all questions except for one (I think), and exuded a feeling of experience. Palin did her best to anger him with some pretty cheap shots (too many to list!), but he didn't take the bait. I was very impressed to see his self control. It gave me more confidence that he can keep his passion in check when need be. Frankly, I think he "won" this debate the moment he started in with the fact that just because he is a man, it doesn't mean he doesn't know what it's like to be a single parent who is worried whether their kid is going to make it. I have no idea if his tear was crocodile or genuine, but the words FINALLY reversed the double standard of the primary caregiver. He took the whole issue of her being special because she is a soccer mom, and flipped it on its head. It made HIM look special to be a single parent. I practically jumped up and down at that exchange.
Palin improved her image but could not prove her readiness to lead (the experience issue is too factual to talk around). I do not think it will be enough to help the McCain ticket out of its current slide, but at least she won't be as much of a liability. The "maverick" is going to have to do the rest on his own.
-Adrienne D., Cincinnati, OH
Posted by womenagainstsarahpalin at 11:29 AM
After the VP Debate
The New York Times Opinion page published an editorial after the VP debate last night. We think it is notable for two reasons: one, for for the truth it expresses about the debate and Ms. Palin's performance; and, two, for the words in which it expresses that truth. Its language so closely resembles the very words that American women have been writing to us this past month, that we thought it well worth quoting here:
"We cannot recall when there were lower expectations for a candidate than the ones that preceded Sarah Palin’s appearance in Thursday night’s vice-presidential debate with Joseph Biden. After a series of stumbling interviews that raised serious doubts even among conservatives about her fitness to serve as vice president, Ms. Palin had to do little more than say one or two sensible things and avoid an election-defining gaffe.
By that standard, but only by that standard, the governor of Alaska did well. But Ms. Palin never really got beyond her talking points in 90 minutes, mostly repeating clichés and tired attack lines and energetically refusing to answer far too many questions....
...In the end, the debate did not change the essential truth of Ms. Palin’s candidacy: Mr. McCain made a wildly irresponsible choice that shattered the image he created for himself as the honest, seasoned, experienced man of principle and judgment. It was either an act of incredible cynicism or appallingly bad judgment."
Sound familiar? We thank you for sharing your own opinion of the McCain/Palin ticket with us, and we join you in trying to ensure their very necessary defeat this November.
VIVA!
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Posted by womenagainstsarahpalin at 10:24 AM
Thursday, October 2, 2008
An American Woman Asks You to Watch the VP Debate Tonight
I am a hardworking, single, accomplished, Christian, black American woman with a physical disability. Today, I live my life very carefully so that I can conserve my energy, protect my health, and do only those things which are vital to my everyday life. Responding to your cry for American women to raise their voices and vote responsibly this November is critical.
I love my country and am proud to be an American despite the many overwhelming problems we face. Governor Palin would only add to the problems because she is ill prepared on every level to become our Commander-in-Chief—and that is a very real possibility. Imagine, if you will, if Senator McCain is elected, and then Sarah Palin, for whatever reason, becomes President of the United States.
Maybe hes actually a girl...a womans liber girl They have the power to create reality
I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.
*Term Coined by Douggie 7 Sept 08, 12 AM. *Apaulin, A term use to describe a ditz that is used for political purposes in order to get votes for there party. But doesnt necessarily mean that they have any qualifications for the job. Oh wait, she does have a degree in journalism.
Please excuse typo's. I type fast and dont give a crap about mistyped words.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516714 10/3/2008 3:10 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
Palin is a disgrace to our gender, and now that the Alaskan's have seen her on a national stage, she'll be a one term governor, too.
Women know snide, women know disengenuous, women know deceitfulness, women know nervousness, women know when someone is being cunning, women know those who are vain, women know floozies, women know those who are catty, bitchy, and downright evil.
Women also know a false front, those who are out of their realm of experience, those who are uneducated, clueless, and mostly women know who is B.S.'ing them LONG before men even have a clue.
The exceptions, of course, are those women who actually allow their husbands to tell them what to do, and those women who have been absorbed by their mentors, as well as those women who really don't have many women girlfriends.
Pollyannuh(nil) User ID: 46877 10/3/2008 3:46 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
"Women know snide, women know disengenuous, women know deceitfulness, women know nervousness, women know when someone is being cunning, women know those who are vain, women know floozies, women know those who are catty, bitchy, and downright evil.
Women also know a false front, those who are out of their realm of experience, those who are uneducated, clueless, and mostly women know who is B.S.'ing them LONG before men even have a clue."
I will defend Palin!!!!!!!!!!!! She is real, what you see is what you get. She is honest. She is VERY smart. And most of all, in a country that is in deperate need for good female role models, she is better than those anorexic Hollywood sluts.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516624 (OP) 10/3/2008 3:51 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
I will defend Palin!!!!!!!!!!!! She is real, what you see is what you get. She is honest. She is VERY smart. And most of all, in a country that is in deperate need for good female role models, she is better than those anorexic Hollywood sluts.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505700
This world is full of ugly things. Nuclear Weapons, Capital Elitist and things that can ruin your day. I do not want that woman in charge of the future of humanity and making a split second decision that could really mess things up when the shit hits the fan.
In addition to that anyone who's definition of small business and middle class is 250 million dollars a year should be kept as far from public policy as humanly possible and yes, I mean the moon. 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01101110 01101111 00100000 01100111 01101111 01100100 01110011
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Anonymouse User ID: 514938 10/3/2008 3:56 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
Lol, haters. Why would anyone hate on Sarah Palin, she is a nice lady who has done a stellar job for her constituents, first as mayor, then as Governor. If you hate on her, you need to go see a psychiatrist and deal with whatever personal issues you have.
If you just don't agree with her politics, if you don't want to see her become president, that's not unreasonable. But to hate on this woman, as seems to be the usual reaction from liberals and feminazis [both democrat and republican], is a bit daft, and indicates underlying psychological issues on the part of the hater.
She's a nice lady, she has done an awesome job for her constituents in Alaska, among whom she is extremely popular. She has a sweet family, that from all appearances are quite happy, healthy, and the type most of us would like to have a neighbors. So keep hating, you only expose the ugliness that is inside you and demonstrate by propping yourself up as a counter-example, why so many people love Sarah Palin.
Peace.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516624 (OP) 10/3/2008 3:57 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
I will defend Palin!!!!!!!!!!!! She is real, what you see is what you get. She is honest. She is VERY smart. And most of all, in a country that is in deperate need for good female role models, she is better than those anorexic Hollywood sluts.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505700
She is NOT HONEST. Puhleeaze . . . i am starting to wonder if she is even human, any normal human woman would have nowhere near the stamina she has . . .
And if you think that Trig is really her baby, there is a bridge to nowhere with your name on it. All she had to do was come up with his birth certificate (surely she knows about birth certificates by now), but instead she outs her own minor daughter in front of the country as proof that Trig is not Bristol's baby ? That is just nothing but ugly. And the birth certificate is nowhere to be found. The only legal reason for that would be that the mother is a minor . . .
Last year wasilla, today alaska, tomorrow america, the day after tomorrow . . .
Can't you see blind ambition when it's paraded right in front of you ?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 330225 10/3/2008 4:02 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
I will defend Palin!!!!!!!!!!!! She is real, what you see is what you get. She is honest. She is VERY smart. And most of all, in a country that is in deperate need for good female role models, she is better than those anorexic Hollywood sluts.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505700
Gee whiz, I didn't realize there were any anorexic Hollywood sluts being nominated for the vice-presidency.
Sincerely, You might want to reconsider your thinking on this. She's not a role model... she would be "Vice-President"...
We need someone who in a 9-11 situation has the wisdom and presence of mind to manage order of battle against American citizens if required.
What we don't need.... A role model/soccer parent babbling about family values.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 494735 10/3/2008 4:07 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
"Women know snide, women know disengenuous, women know deceitfulness, women know nervousness, women know when someone is being cunning, women know those who are vain, women know floozies, women know those who are catty, bitchy, and downright evil.
Women also know a false front, those who are out of their realm of experience, those who are uneducated, clueless, and mostly women know who is B.S.'ing them LONG before men even have a clue."
I'm a conservative woman and I fully intend to vote for Palin. Frankly, I'm sick of all the nasty comments leveled at her. She's a talented woman, one with the guts to see needs that need to be addressed and the willingness to address them.
As for all the comments that she is unprepared as to foreign affairs--that will all come with time. She has the skill set to deal with such issues and the ability and correct instincts to surround herself with the people who do have the knowledge that she'll need.
Think of this as a corporation that needs a new CEO. When one is needed, one gets the person who has the skill set to run the country, not necessarily someone who knows exactly all of the ins and outs of what it takes to manufacture or produce whatever widgets or whatnots are being made. It's doubtful that the average CEO can handle the day to day jobs such as running the machines or the computers that are involved in the manufacturing. What the CEO needs is the ability to see the big picture, the ability to see what needs to be done and then the leadership to get it done. I believe that Palin has such skills and that she will be more than able to perform the job.
She is going to have to stand up not only to men who feel intimidated by women, but to women who will resent a woman who has achieved what she has. She's already shown herself capable of doing that. I'm appalled by the incredible bitchiness I've seen from some of the women on the left. Their criticism, in most cases, has nothing to do with issues, is simply screeching, personal attacks.
As for her pro-life stance--I'm pro-life. One of my best friends is pro-choice and we have agreed to disagree on this issue. We'll never agree--such is life.
So, just sit back and watch this unfold. If she wins, and I devoutly hope that she does, this will be a breath of fresh air in Washington D.C.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 494735 10/3/2008 4:14 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
I'm a conservative woman and I fully intend to vote for Palin. She's a talented woman, one with the guts to see needs that need to be addressed and the willingness to address them.
Quoting: MartyWrites
I know a ton of women that are like that.
Is that all what you think it takes for this job?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516738 10/3/2008 4:18 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
As someone wrote on this board earlier, if Palin was male, she'd be even more than a laughing stock than she already is, so much so that she'd never have been selected by the Republicans. She's a vote-grabbing gimmick, and that's an insult to her, and to women nationwide; shame on McCain and his advisors; women deserve better.
And oh, I forgot - 'she's just like us'. Well, if you are worth 1 million dollars (as the Palins are); if your glasses cost 7 thousands dollars; if you have a 20 thousand dollar share portfolio; if you've governed a state, then I guess you're just like the working folks I know. That was sarcasm, by the way...
And please don't respond with 'But she owned a business!'; the vast majority of Americans do not own businesses - they work for people like Palin.
I will defend Palin!!!!!!!!!!!! She is real, what you see is what you get. She is honest. She is VERY smart. And most of all, in a country that is in deperate need for good female role models, she is better than those anorexic Hollywood sluts.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505700
Smart? shes a dits. Well she maybe smarter then you....so, I guess thats what youre basing this off of. They have the power to create reality
I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.
*Term Coined by Douggie 7 Sept 08, 12 AM. *Apaulin, A term use to describe a ditz that is used for political purposes in order to get votes for there party. But doesnt necessarily mean that they have any qualifications for the job. Oh wait, she does have a degree in journalism.
Please excuse typo's. I type fast and dont give a crap about mistyped words.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 316006 10/3/2008 4:39 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
I'm one. There was a thread on here early this morning with multiple women that like her.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 378573
NOT intelligent women that know what's going on around the world! Sarah only loves the limelight, which is why you rarely saw Joe Biden look directly at the camera. He gave the best debate of his life and knows what this country is faced with.
Palin couldn't keep her eyes OFF the camera with her cutsey little winks and her doe eyes. She was rude and couldn't answer most of the questions as usual.
If you want to be "Joe Six Pack", that's your prerogative, but I'm NOT!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 479477 10/3/2008 4:51 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
I will defend Palin!!!!!!!!!!!! She is real, what you see is what you get. She is honest. She is VERY smart. And most of all, in a country that is in deperate need for good female role models, she is better than those anorexic Hollywood sluts.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505700
Miss Beauty queen isn't that hefty and loves that spot light SO well, her girls rarely see her. It's their father that's raised them.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 493937 10/3/2008 4:51 PM
Re: Strange that we haven't seen any women defend Palin the way PACNW has....hmmmm...maybe because they know cheap when they see it?
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