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| Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!!
| HardTruth
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10/3/2008 9:42 PM
Report abusive post | Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!!
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Even today in mystical Judaism, we believe in reincarnation. It's called 'gilgul'.
We believe each time we incarnate, we move a step forward." (Rabbi Zalman Schacter-Shalomi)
Matthew 11: 11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
John the Baptist, the prophet that was the herald of Jesus, had been the Jewish Ninth Century B.C. prophet Elijah. "...For all the prophets and the Law foretold things to come until John appeared, and John is the destined Elijah, if you will but accept it.."
The Book of Reincarnations
Gilgul
The Talmud relates a true story where Rabbi Yoseph son of Rabbi Yehoshua fainted and went into the Spiritual World of Souls, he was allowed to take a glimpse at the Eternal Divine Spiritual World. When he awoke, they asked him "what did you see?" He said he saw a world that was totally "upside-down" as the great and famous people are considered unimportant in Spirit World.
Whereas some of the poorest and most unimportant people in this physical world are considered to be the greatest souls in Spirit World.
He awoke confused, but was assured by Rebi Yehoshua Ben Levi that in fact he had seen the truth and the true reality of this world and the truth of the Eternal Divine Spirit World.
(Quoted from the תלמוד בבלי מסכת פסחים דף נ עמוד א Talmud Pesachim Page 50a).
Appearances are Deceptive in this Physical World
Without spiritual understanding there are many things that occur in this world that seem unjust, unfair and simply "not right". Belief in the Eternal Divine Creator of the Universe - The רבונו של עולם GOD and belief in an Eternal Spiritual World instills in a person an acceptance that whatever happens, happens for a specific reason, nothing happens by accident nor chance.
Therefore when something seemingly unfair and unjust happens, one instinctively accepts and knows that the perpetrators will not go unpunished, either in this physical world or eternally in spirit world or their souls will be forced to reincarnate to come down to earth again to correct the mistakes of their past lives; if one is the victim then maybe it is you who has needed to experience something unfair in this life to cleanse your soul from a previous life, therefore making it necessary for one to experience the pain, learn the lesson, and then learn to forgive which will break the cycle of reincarnation.
The Books are Balanced Over Many Lifetimes
The Eternal Divine records known as ספרי החיים (or known as Akashic records) are records of everything that has happened in past lives and happens in this life. In most circumstances the "books are balanced" daily or during a single lifetime; however some situations are simply beyond repair in one lifetime, and therefore a Credit or Debt is issued over a persons soul.
Such a Credit or Debt, Reward or Pain can only be collected when the person reincarnates to live life in this physical world. This is the purpose of גלגל החיים "Reincarnation of Souls" - the balancing of the spiritual books.
Nothing happens by "chance" nor "accident" in this world, everything has reason, therefore if someone has caused you pain and anguish, don't be upset, trust and know that they will feel that pain and anguish or know that maybe in a previous life you caused them pain, so now is time to forgive, heal and close that part of your soul that needs healing from the injustice and pain.
More Info see:
[link to www.gilgulim.com]
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
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| Abuh Dahboo
User ID: 429261
10/3/2008 9:47 PM | | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Kindof like how Sarah Palin may appear to be a mere "soccer mom" to some here below but in the spirit world she is a great and powerful being. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 515239
10/3/2008 9:56 PM
| | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Kindof like how Sarah Palin may appear to be a mere "soccer mom" to some here below but in the spirit world she is a great and powerful being. Quoting: Abuh Dahboo 429261
More than likely!!
Gives a whole new meaning to the words "What you do to the least of my children, you do unto me"
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| PassingThrough 
User ID: 514417
10/3/2008 10:00 PM
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Evening, HardTruth
Thanks for the information. Very interesting.
If I might ask a question:
How might the Gilgul tie into the tradition of the Guf? Would it be a finite number of souls reincarnating to accomplish their tasks, or rather their unique purpose?
Ok, well rather 2 questions. I was wondering since I read your post and the Guf popped into my mind, especially the tradition of the second coming with the passage of the last soul from the Hall onto Earth.
Thanks for your time. I'm just trying to connect a few dots if they can be :)
PT 
In all things of nature there is something of the marvelous. ~ Aristotle |
| AQ 7
User ID: 508682
10/3/2008 10:05 PM | | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Thank you, HardTruth. I enjoyed reading this post. I came to believe in reincaarnation when I was in my mid-thirties (I am in late sixties now). I consider myself a Christian, .. yet I cannot discuss reincarnation with Christian "leaders". Very frustrating.
I took a test (a silly one, posted on internet) awhile back, to see which denomination was closest to my beliefs. I expected it to answer with some sort of Christian denomination, even though I did put down that I believed in reincarnation. I'm fairly certain that every answer except that one was in line with fairly basic Christian beliefs. The answer I received: Hinduism! Can you believe that!
I just march to the beat of a different drum than most. Although here on glp I feel pretty much at home.
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| HardTruth
User ID: 515239
10/3/2008 10:16 PM
| | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Evening, HardTruth
Thanks for the information. Very interesting.
If I might ask a question:
How might the Gilgul tie into the tradition of the Guf? Would it be a finite number of souls reincarnating to accomplish their tasks, or rather their unique purpose?
Ok, well rather 2 questions. I was wondering since I read your post and the Guf popped into my mind, especially the tradition of the second coming with the passage of the last soul from the Hall onto Earth.
Thanks for your time. I'm just trying to connect a few dots if they can be :)
PT
First off, with all the worlds in the universe with life, both human and animal, I would have to say that souls are 'Infinite', not finite!!
The original hebrew words for living soul is 'Nephesh Hayyah.' which was used for both man and animal in the ancient texts, concerning the creation of!!
Each world may differ in the process of reincarnation!!
I've got a feeling, Earth is the worse case scenario!!
They are not letting us advance any!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| PassingThrough
User ID: 514417
10/3/2008 10:21 PM
| | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Was not implying my perception was of a finite soul just a finite number from where my thoughts led me when reading. Just tossing questions about.
As for me, all things are infinite and connected.
Thanks for the reply, HardTruth.
Have a good evening :)
PT
In all things of nature there is something of the marvelous. ~ Aristotle |
| HardTruth
User ID: 515239
10/3/2008 10:24 PM
| | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Thank you, HardTruth. I enjoyed reading this post. I came to believe in reincaarnation when I was in my mid-thirties (I am in late sixties now). I consider myself a Christian, .. yet I cannot discuss reincarnation with Christian "leaders". Very frustrating.
I took a test (a silly one, posted on internet) awhile back, to see which denomination was closest to my beliefs. I expected it to answer with some sort of Christian denomination, even though I did put down that I believed in reincarnation. I'm fairly certain that every answer except that one was in line with fairly basic Christian beliefs. The answer I received: Hinduism! Can you believe that!
I just march to the beat of a different drum than most. Although here on glp I feel pretty much at home.
. Quoting: AQ 7 508682
Thanks and you're welcome!!
Hinduism is far far older than christianity, and more than likely more accurate!!
Buddhism - Hinduism
The teachings of Tibetan Buddhism and Indian Hinduism-not to mention several other world traditions-support the anomalous archaeological findings in suggesting that humanity has a far longer provenance on our planet than western science allows. This idea is preserved in Hinduism to the present day, especially in the doctrine of the yugas.
The term yuga means "age" and refers to the Hindu belief that humanity has lived on our planet during four separate and distinct time periods: the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yoga, the Dvapara Yuga and the Kali Yuga, the first three of which have already been and gone. The names of the ages are rooted in the Sanskrit terms for four of the sides of a die, with the Krita Yoga derived from the side showing the figure 4, Treta Yoga 3, Dvapara Yuga 2, and Kali Yuga 1. This reflects the Hindu conviction that the degree of righteousness in the world diminished in an arithmetical progression as time went on.
Krita Yuga: is seen as a primeval golden age, characterized by piety, peace and plenty. The world had one God, one truth, one scripture and one rule. Fear was unknown, as was hatred, deceit or malice. This age lasted 1,728,000 years.
Treta Yoga: which was only three-quarters as righteous as the age before. Unity of religion still held sway, but now humanity no longer followed spiritual pursuits for their own sakes, but rather in the hope of reward. The Treta Yuga spanned a further 1,296,000 years.
Dvapara Yuga:, in which righteousness again diminished by a quarter. Now the single truth and single scripture fragmented into four. Humanity moved further and further from the ways of good and as a consequence found itself beset by disease and disaster. This age lasted 864,000 years.
Kali Yuga: the age in which we are living now. Once again righteousness was reduced so that in our present time we are only one quarter as spiritual as our most distant ancestors. Most of humanity no longer makes sacrifice to the One God. Hunger and fear have become commonplace, as have natural and man-made disasters. This age is destined to last 432,000 years. (The Secret History Of Ancient Egypt, Herbie Brennan. pgs 201-202)
I empathize to the different beat, for I to hear a different tune!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| HardTruth
User ID: 515239
10/3/2008 10:33 PM
| | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
Was not implying my perception was of a finite soul just a finite number from where my thoughts led me when reading. Just tossing questions about.
As for me, all things are infinite and connected.
Thanks for the reply, HardTruth.
Have a good evening :)
PT Quoting: PassingThrough
Never quit asking the questions!!
If the answers you get are not acceptable, keep asking!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| atomic punk
User ID: 516869
10/3/2008 11:01 PM | | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
HardTruth how are you tonight, great I hope, I always enjoy your threads, take care.
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| HardTruth
User ID: 515239
10/4/2008 12:13 PM
| | Re: Even Today in Mystical Judaism, We Believe in Reincarnation. It's Called 'Gilgul' The Book of Reincarnations!! | Quote |
HardTruth how are you tonight, great I hope, I always enjoy your threads, take care.
Thanks, I'm doing well, and you?
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| MuadDib987
User ID: 515544
10/4/2008 12:52 PM
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Scripturally speaking, people or things are not often literally what they are called or described as. Jesus is both the Lion of Judah and the Lamb of God, despite actally being human. He referred to the Pharisees as being vipers, though they aren't *literally* snakes.
Names/descriptors are commonly declared based on the subject's actions, behavior or function.
I don't think John the Baptist was literally Elijah, but was filling the role of Elijah (an assertion which prompts me to read through Elijah's story some more to see what kind of parallels jump out.)
The desert is a surgeon, cutting away the skin to expose what is underneath.
(Fremen proverb) |
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