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The Venus Project
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813
10/5/2008 1:56 PM
Report abusive post | The Venus Project
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The Venus Project, mentioned in the latter half of Zeitgeist Addendum, seemed like an inspiring solution to our world's problems.
I think its a great idea...your thoughts?
[link to www.thevenusproject.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 511963
10/5/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
researched it some years back...excellent option to what we have now...but everything so far is being blocked by PTB |
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Brwnstown
User ID: 465293
10/5/2008 2:00 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
to bad the guy is selling his compound in florida for 550,000. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/5/2008 2:17 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
to bad the guy is selling his compound in florida for 550,000. Quoting: Brwnstown
Did they give up on it already?
Well, that sucks.
I still want to be optimistic though. We all need to be.
We can change the world for the better, all of us can. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/5/2008 2:21 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
researched it some years back...excellent option to what we have now...but everything so far is being blocked by PTB Quoting: Anonymous Coward 511963
What is PTB?
Its no surprise that the current corrupt establishment would block such efforts.
Our world is very sick and its in serious need of some homeopathy. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499484
10/5/2008 2:22 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Venus = Lucifer
I think thats a pretty clear indication of where said loyalties lie, don't you? |
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no video==no doom
User ID: 513827
10/5/2008 2:32 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
researched it some years back...excellent option to what we have now...but everything so far is being blocked by PTB
What is PTB?
Its no surprise that the current corrupt establishment would block such efforts.
Our world is very sick and its in serious need of some homeopathy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516813
PTB = Powers that be... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 454294
10/5/2008 2:33 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Switching from a "Monetary Based Economy" to a "Resource Based Economy" is the key. How to do it without getting yourself killed.
I would think that TPTB (Oil-MegaCorps) would have to crumble or ??? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514242
10/5/2008 2:34 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Avoid unless you like a more sinister enslavement, death follows the blind. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 454294
10/5/2008 2:35 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
The Choice Is Ours To Make
Human behavior is subject to the same laws as any other natural phenomenon. Our customs, behaviors, and values are byproducts of our culture. No one is born with greed, prejudice, bigotry, patriotism and hatred; these are all learned behavior patterns. If the environment is unaltered, similar behavior will reoccur. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 454294
10/5/2008 2:37 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Your help is needed to bring the concept of a Resource-Based Economy to world attention. What can you do?
[link to www.thevenusproject.com]
1. Donate to our non-profit organization, Future By Design [link to www.futurebydesign.org]
2. Purchase a copy of The Best That Money Can't Buy: Beyond Politics, Poverty & War by Jacque Fresco. Purchase additional books for your family your friends, your schools, and libraries.
3. Purchase one or more Videos and share them with your friends. Show the videos at civic clubs and schools in your town.
4. Arrange speaking engagements at local libraries, radio stations, colleges and universities for The Venus Project speakers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 454294
10/5/2008 2:39 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
[link to www.thevenusproject.com]
A Resource-Based Economy is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.
Modern society has access to highly advanced technology and can make available food, clothing, housing and medical care; update our educational system; and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy. By supplying an efficiently designed economy, everyone can enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities of a high technological society.
A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total population. In an economy based on resources rather than money, we could easily produce all of the necessities of life and provide a high standard of living for all.
Consider the following examples: At the beginning of World War II the US had a mere 600 or so first-class fighting aircraft. We rapidly overcame this short supply by turning out more than 90,000 planes a year. The question at the start of World War II was: Do we have enough funds to produce the required implements of war? The answer was No, we did not have enough money, nor did we have enough gold; but we did have more than enough resources. It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war.
In a resource-based economy all of the world's resources are held as the common heritage of all of Earth's people, thus eventually outgrowing the need for the artificial boundaries that separate people. This is the unifying imperative.
We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them. Our vision of globalization empowers each and every person on the planet to be the best they can be, not to live in abject subjugation to a corporate governing body.
Our proposals would not only add to the well being of people, but they would also provide the necessary information that would enable them to participate in any area of their competence. The measure of success would be based on the fulfillment of one's individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property and power.
At present, we have enough material resources to provide a very high standard of living for all of Earth's inhabitants. Only when population exceeds the carrying capacity of the land do many problems such as greed, crime and violence emerge. By overcoming scarcity, most of the crimes and even the prisons of today's society would no longer be necessary.
A resource-based world economy would also involve all-out efforts to develop new, clean, and renewable sources of energy: geothermal; controlled fusion; solar; photovoltaic; wind, wave, and tidal power; and even fuel from the oceans. We would eventually be able to have energy in unlimited quantity that could propel civilization for thousands of years. A resource-based economy must also be committed to the redesign of our cities, transportation systems, and industrial plants, allowing them to be energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.
What else would a resource-based economy mean? Technology intelligently and efficiently applied, conserves energy, reduces waste, and provides more leisure time. With automated inventory on a global scale, we can maintain a balance between production and distribution. Only nutritious and healthy food would be available and planned obsolescence would be unnecessary and non-existent in a resource-based economy.
As we outgrow the need for professions based on the monetary system, for instance lawyers, bankers, insurance agents, marketing and advertising personnel, salespersons, and stockbrokers, a considerable amount of waste will be eliminated. Considerable amounts of energy would also be saved by eliminating the duplication of competitive products such as tools, eating utensils, pots, pans and vacuum cleaners. Choice is good. But instead of hundreds of different manufacturing plants and all the paperwork and personnel required to turn out similar products, only a few of the highest quality would be needed to serve the entire population. Our only shortage is the lack of creative thought and intelligence in ourselves and our elected leaders to solve these problems. The most valuable, untapped resource today is human ingenuity.
With the elimination of debt, the fear of losing one's job will no longer be a threat This assurance, combined with education on how to relate to one another in a much more meaningful way, could considerably reduce both mental and physical stress and leave us free to explore and develop our abilities.
If the thought of eliminating money still troubles you, consider this: If a group of people with gold, diamonds and money were stranded on an island that had no resources such as food, clean air and water, their wealth would be irrelevant to their survival. It is only when resources are scarce that money can be used to control their distribution. One could not, for example, sell the air we breathe or water abundantly flowing down from a mountain stream. Although air and water are valuable, in abundance they cannot be sold.
Money is only important in a society when certain resources for survival must be rationed and the people accept money as an exchange medium for the scarce resources. Money is a social convention, an agreement if you will. It is neither a natural resource nor does it represent one. It is not necessary for survival unless we have been conditioned to accept it as such. |
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Brwnstown
User ID: 465293
10/5/2008 2:40 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Your help is needed to bring the concept of a Resource-Based Economy to world attention. What can you do?
[ link to www.thevenusproject.com]
1. Donate to our non-profit organization, Future By Design [ link to www.futurebydesign.org]
2. Purchase a copy of The Best That Money Can't Buy: Beyond Politics, Poverty & War by Jacque Fresco. Purchase additional books for your family your friends, your schools, and libraries.
3. Purchase one or more Videos and share them with your friends. Show the videos at civic clubs and schools in your town.
4. Arrange speaking engagements at local libraries, radio stations, colleges and universities for The Venus Project speakers.
See the big problem is you have to get all the companies that make steel and concrete and all building materials to decide to supply and build all this with no cost. So how do you get the entire world to supply food and building materials and manpower to switch to the resource based economy and forget all about money? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 518107
10/5/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
See the big problem is you have to get all the companies that make steel and concrete and all building materials to decide to supply and build all this with no cost. So how do you get the entire world to supply food and building materials and manpower to switch to the resource based economy and forget all about money? Quoting: Brwnstown
That is the idea.
The transition has to start somewhere even if it is just an idea. I don't have all the answers as I've only just watched the Zeitgeist video and then went to the website.
I think this has some worthwhile answers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 517913
10/5/2008 2:49 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Avoid unless you like a more sinister enslavement, death follows the blind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 514242
it's nothing more than --->
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489994
10/5/2008 2:52 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
To GLP Mods
If any post should get pinned then this one or the Zeitgeist post should get pinned. I know most people here are simply interested in the world ending and DOOM etc... but there's got to be room for something positive to make it through.
If this post isn't good enough then start another one - The Zeitgeist Addendum movie actually offers some answers.
Pin Please :) |
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SomebodyMakeThis
User ID: 506320
10/5/2008 3:17 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
To GLP Mods
If any post should get pinned then this one or the Zeitgeist post should get pinned. I know most people here are simply interested in the world ending and DOOM etc... but there's got to be room for something positive to make it through.
If this post isn't good enough then start another one - The Zeitgeist Addendum movie actually offers some answers.
Pin Please :) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489994
I agree...the solutions to our problems should be getting some attention, instead of just DOOM. So, to further that, I started a simple web forum for people with ideas. It's called "SomebodyMakeThis", and hopefully it's a step in the right direction.
I'm just one person with no advertising budget...so the traffic hasn't been great, and I haven't been able to promote it very well. But, the site has been built, and I'd love to actually get it rolling...now that it seems like we're in a period of societal transition.
So...if some of the people on this site went and checked it out and offered some ideas to the forum, perhaps it would get some traction and we'd be able to become the change this world needs! Everyone here seems to have a mind for the future, and maybe some of the people here would really feel like they could contribute something to the collective consciousness of our planet home. I've posted some stuff, but again...I'm just one person, and could really use a hand building the site up and helping to promote it.
Have a look, and let me know what you think! I know it hasn't been updated in a while...but if you think I'm on the right track, I'll get right back to work on it!
PROMISE!!!
Also, if people want to help me out as moderators, etc...I'd love to hear from you, as these types of sites are a lot of work for one person.
I'm really hoping some of the creative people on this site will feel like taking part in the future. This is a very exciting time to be alive, and if we all work together...there is nothing we can't achieve.
[link to somebodymakethis.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 517768
10/5/2008 8:41 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
If there were advanced ET civilizations out there, of course more advanced than ours, than it would seem that eventually their society would reach the level where something similar to The Venus Project would be feasible.
Many people on this forum believe that a quantum shift is imminent in our near future. Some are extremely negative and resist change, some positive and insist change, and some are sitting on the sidelines staying neutral.
I embrace the positive change that will occur in this shift, so it is natural for me to support a new system that phases out the monetary system. It's not going to happen overnight. There will be challenges, but I think with the right minds working together towards a common goal, the solutions will greatly outnumber the problems.
Yes there may be flaws with The Venus Project, but think about the potential it has for the POSITIVE souls on our Earth who desire change. At least it is a start. At least we have an avenue for dialogue in regards to something POSITIVE in our future. At least it gives people a new hope, and a rejuvenation of what they truly desire.
For us POSITIVE ones, at least it is a good way to get the ball rolling towards our promised Golden Age.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/5/2008 8:45 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Venus = Lucifer
I think thats a pretty clear indication of where said loyalties lie, don't you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499484
Venus is just a harmless planet.
BTW, lucifer and satan are two entirely different things.
Thats what happenes when paganism and christianity get mixed together. You end up with a bunch of nonsense overall.
The Venus Project = The closest to heaven we'll ever get on planet Earth. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516477
10/5/2008 8:53 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
I like the Venus Project outlook and propositions. The thing is, that each person has to be willing to leave the cashless, classless society.
There's still too much fear....of the unknown. Those that HAVE in this life could not/ and will not see the benefit of being equal to the rest of humanity when they have an outlook of superiority.
A financial collapse might help a little, but I still think it would only cause a minimal shift.
The video also talks about how it is the responsibility of EACH person to understand the beauty of the new paradigm. And until each person comes to that truth ON THEIR OWN....it ain't gonna happen.
Sad but true. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 517768
10/5/2008 9:19 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Venus = Lucifer
I think thats a pretty clear indication of where said loyalties lie, don't you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499484
History has had its fair share of distortions.
An example would be attacking the positive, morphing it into the negative.
I believe the ORIGINAL NEW WORLD ORDER is something incredibly POSITIVE.
Same goes for Venus.
For the most part, in many cultures, Venus been regarded as something positive.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Venus in human culture
The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna), the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love. The Ancient Egyptians believed Venus to be two separate bodies and knew the morning star as Tioumoutiri and the evening star as Ouaiti. Likewise believing Venus to be two bodies, the Ancient Greeks called the morning star Φωσφόρ ος, Phosphoros (Latinized Phosphorus), the "Bringer of Light" or Ἐωσφόρ ;ος, Eosphoros (Latinized Eosphorus), the "Bringer of Dawn". The evening star they called Hesperos (Latinized Hesperus) (Ἓσπερ_ 9;ς, the "star of the evening"), but by Hellenistic times, they realized the two were the same planet. Hesperos would be translated into Latin as Vesper and Phosphoros as Lucifer ("Light Bearer"), a poetic term later used to refer to the fallen angel cast out of heaven. The Romans would later name the planet in honor of their goddess of love, Venus, whereas the Greeks used the name of her Greek counterpart, Aphrodite (Phoenician Astarte). |
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Braindamage
User ID: 519311
10/6/2008 10:19 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
I think the idea of a "resource based economy", aka technocracy, is a great one and would be far better than what we have now. I've thought so ever since I first read about technocracy some years ago.
After reading on the website of The Venus Project, I'm quite curious of how large this organization is, and what it has actually achieved so far. All I read on their site is pretty much "Jacque Fresco is awesome".
See what I'm getting at? I don't see a single face (except for the woman that he works with) from the organization.
I'd like some assurance that this is for real, and that they'll walk the walk and not just blabber on about their great ideas.
Anyone have links to any more objective articles or resources about the project? (Maybe this is only my mistrust caused by the monetary system) ;) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/7/2008 10:54 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/7/2008 12:21 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
I' finished watched almost all their videos and Jacque Fresco is an awesome guy.
He's the kind of guy that should be leading our world into the future. Instead we get stuck with nutcases like Bush, Cheney, and the Pope, who all want to put the world back in the dark ages. |
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goddess isis
User ID: 465388
10/7/2008 12:23 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
interesting! |
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ViperThunder
User ID: 512301
10/7/2008 12:37 PM
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Remember what was said in Zeitgeist: Addendum:
We must first focus all of our energy on better managing the resources of the Earth and ALSO progressing our technology as rapidly as possible, especially technology related to automation. Let machines do as much work as possible so that we humans can focus our energy on other things.
Let There Be Peace |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/7/2008 12:39 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Just think, we all could be living like the Jetson's if we follow TVP's guidelines.
It sucks that the wealthy elite keep society from progressing because they have an insatiable appetite to control and moderate EVERYTHING.
They're control freaks. We need to break their control by abandoning the monetary system, becoming self-sufficient, and becoming organized as citizens. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516813 (OP)
10/7/2008 12:43 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Remember what was said in Zeitgeist: Addendum:
We must first focus all of our energy on better managing the resources of the Earth and ALSO progressing our technology as rapidly as possible, especially technology related to automation. Let machines do as much work as possible so that we humans can focus our energy on other things. Quoting: ViperThunder
Unfortunately, the powerful corporations are preventing technology from progressing rapidly. Take for instance the automobile industry which allied itself with oil companies and has prevented electric car technology for the past 80 years.
Only now do they appear to make an effort to create electric cars.
We need to apply the pressure to industry and government to speed up technological research.
We also need to prevent the military from keeping all of its technology classified. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 493669
10/7/2008 4:51 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
I can't believe nobody realizes who is behind the Zeitgeist films.
Do you think this just sprouted out of nowhere?
This is NWO propaganda. WAKE UP! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 518422
10/7/2008 4:52 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
To GLP Mods
If any post should get pinned then this one or the Zeitgeist post should get pinned. I know most people here are simply interested in the world ending and DOOM etc... but there's got to be room for something positive to make it through.
If this post isn't good enough then start another one - The Zeitgeist Addendum movie actually offers some answers.
Pin Please :) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 489994
fucking right ! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 518422
10/7/2008 4:53 PM | | Re: The Venus Project | Quote |
Hey Mods PIN this! |
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