“... no one had a clear Plan B when Musharraf declared a state of emergency and began rounding up the lawyers and arresting the judges. No one had an unquestioned leadership structure in place for the countermovement; no one had a subcontinent-sized phone tree or a nice big -- oh, nation-sized -- conference room in which to meet.”…[www.upworldgov.org is beginning to make more sense by the day]
“Which is why I am formally coming out of the closet with my support for Senator Barack Obama. Of all the candidates running now, he is the leader on understanding the threat to the Constitution and actually taking action, not just mouthing soundbites, on the need to deny torturers space in our nation and to restore the rule of law.”…[How can anyone take this seriously? It’s the structure that’s broken. No individual or group of individuals can fix the broken structure. It must be replaced – as she alludes to above.]
“She [Hillary Clinton] and her husband really know how to run a country; they delivered eight years of peace and prosperity. I know her to be a skilled politician and motivated by sincere love of country. Mrs. Clinton would be a terrific executive -- in a stable democracy. But that is not enough right now. These are times that should try men's souls -- and women's also. In a closing society, a leader has to be willing to face down evil, engage it and call it by its name.” [What about Ruby Ridge, Waco, Mogadishu, Somalia, Oklahoma bombing cover-up, etc, etc, etc.? www.upworldgov.org is beginning to make more sense by the day]
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519972 10/7/2008 5:13 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
LOL at you and your hippie buddies fucking each other and doing lots of dope while singing alot. You tards were'nt any more capable than the current youths. How about trying to use your age to bestow some wisdom instead of more crabby complaints and bitching. Learn 'em something gramps.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519584
First, I'm not a gramps. I am a woman. The boomers you are insulting stopped a war, stopped the draft, forced the goverment to drop the voting age to 18 ( after all, it was our friends, many 17 & 18 who were dieing), exposed corruption and theft in DC, toppled a president & vice president, forced more equal rights for women who couldn't even get credit without a male co-signer, and more.
So, again, you know very little about history, or your grandparents.
I am not the one here who has been bitching, and most of those over 40 have not been bitching either.
It is your ilk who have been insulting those who do have knowledge, & who have done things to improve the world you live in. It is you who has been exposing your complete ignorance, your labeling of others, your complete lack of respect for anyone or anything, and frankly, your Coward status.
You have also shown your complete inability to discuss anything without trying to show us how smart you think you are, dumbass.
So why don't you shove your ear pod back in, up your ass where it belongs.
This is interesting. She makes a lot of good points, but does she really thing Geoge Bush is smart enough to hijack the country all be himself? I think that is giving him way too much credit. If this is happening, I think there must be someone else behind it.
She predicted all the things that have happened this past year a year ago. She said we would see a secret prison system, tortue, spying on the American people, etc. Keep burrowing your head in the sand if you want.
Quoting: Reality is BS
WHO DID nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot 'PREDICT'
"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL" - General Peter Pace, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff addressing the National Press Club, Feb 17/06 "Command Override"
Brainstorming is a group creativity technique designed to generate a large number of ideas for the solution to a problem.
The method was first popularized in the late 1930s by Alex Faickney Osborn, an advertising executive and one of the founders of BBDO, in a book called Applied Imagination. Osborn proposed that groups could double their creative output by using the method of brainstorming.
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Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.”
-Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Your generation of baby boomers sold out in the end. You never finished what you started then had us kids.
Maybe its time YOU finished what YOU started and teach us (being that your older and our parents) and we will help.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 459790
Can't think for yourself? Can't be a leader? Gotta be hand-held the whole time?
Okay, we see that now.
Thanks for the clarification. "I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore.'"
-Howard Beale (Peter Finch), Network
“Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis. “Karl Denninger
She had me until she said she supports Barack Obama.
I'm sorry....although I agree with her on the very scary place we're at, and that we NEED to do something about it, I don't agree that Obama is the answer.
I think the problem is way beyond who becomes president at this point, and in fact, that both of the parties are probably controlled by the same people.
People who do NOT have our best interests at heart.
Sen Yama User ID: 486613 10/7/2008 6:26 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
I'm being a troll here, so I don't know if this has been said before, but there is a better one on YouTube, even scatier. It's a talk shee gave and it's around 50 min. long. Really worth watching.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 512206 10/7/2008 6:36 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
"Your generation of baby boomers sold out in the end. You never finished what you started then had us kids.
Maybe its time YOU finished what YOU started and teach us (being that your older and our parents) and we will help."
There are boomers out there who are doing exactly that, finishing what we started back in the 60s, after taking off time to raise the kids.
We are out there, women especially, protesting, demanding answers, insisting on accountability and filling in for our children, who are rearing their children and don't have the time.
If they take our pensions, the country will see a wave of provoked middle-aged people hounding elected officials and bureaucrats. Our biggest obstacle to change has been our failure to get arrests and prosecutions of offenders.
If we continue to fail to get protection from crooked politicians, under the law, all bets are off about the future compliance of the boomers in the country.
"In a little if not ever publicized Part of a Barack Obama speech in Colorado on July 2, 2008
Obama called for the formation of a civilian army to rival the U.S. Military.
The Obama Campaign doesn't have this speech on it's website nor a transcript of it.
I wonder why?"
"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL" - General Peter Pace, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff addressing the National Press Club, Feb 17/06 "Command Override"
Brainstorming is a group creativity technique designed to generate a large number of ideas for the solution to a problem.
The method was first popularized in the late 1930s by Alex Faickney Osborn, an advertising executive and one of the founders of BBDO, in a book called Applied Imagination. Osborn proposed that groups could double their creative output by using the method of brainstorming.
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Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.”
-Eleanor Roosevelt.
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TEXAS UNCENSORED User ID: 520015 10/7/2008 6:38 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
One can lead a horse to water, but if that horse is a kid with a bad attitude, it's more likely to insult you for bringing it to water than to drink.
We have been leading, teaching, urging, asking the uniformed to google it before insulting and arguing, but nooooooooooo, they continue to make it a 'feminist/woman' issue, rather than what it is.
A COUP D'ETAT ! We warned, and warned, provided references, artilcles, credible sources, but still the youngest with bad attitudes still are insulting rather than listening and learning, while they continue to insult.
Now, for a small list of some those of both sexes who have warned you, educated you, urged you while you remained dumbed down are :
Dennis Kucinich
Ron Paul
Brad Sherman
Katherine Austin Fitts
Andy Gause
Karl Denninger
MISH
George Noory
Alex Jones
Jeff Rense
You want us to lead ? You want us to teach ?
then you had better be willing to learn, follow, and lead yourselves, with good information. For those who consider the Declaration of Independence despotic, I don't hold out much hope for you.
Now, for your first class, google the names above, search youtube, go to C-span, and do your homework before you say one more insulting ignorant thing to any of us here.
She had me until she said she supports Barack Obama.
I'm sorry....although I agree with her on the very scary place we're at, and that we NEED to do something about it, I don't agree that Obama is the answer.
I think the problem is way beyond who becomes president at this point, and in fact, that both of the parties are probably controlled by the same people.
People who do NOT have our best interests at heart.
Quoting: Uncomfortable Ostrich
I don't like Obama, either, but I sure as hell won't throw the message out just because she's in favor of him. That would be cutting my nose off to spite my face. "I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore.'"
-Howard Beale (Peter Finch), Network
“Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis. “Karl Denninger
Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
Silence is consent.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 520025 10/7/2008 6:41 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
First, I'm not a gramps. I am a woman. The boomers you are insulting stopped a war, stopped the draft, forced the goverment to drop the voting age to 18 ( after all, it was our friends, many 17 & 18 who were dieing), exposed corruption and theft in DC, toppled a president & vice president, forced more equal rights for women who couldn't even get credit without a male co-signer, and more.
So, again, you know very little about history, or your grandparents.
I am not the one here who has been bitching, and most of those over 40 have not been bitching either.
It is your ilk who have been insulting those who do have knowledge, & who have done things to improve the world you live in. It is you who has been exposing your complete ignorance, your labeling of others, your complete lack of respect for anyone or anything, and frankly, your Coward status.
You have also shown your complete inability to discuss anything without trying to show us how smart you think you are, dumbass.
Quoting: TEXAS UNCENSORED 520015
I have a complaint. It's people like you who shat on the Vietnam Vets who came home destroyed from a war they didn't want to go to. So many young men obeyed the law and went to war while MANY COWARDS ran to Canada. That's the disgrace here. COWARDS.
IzaFugazi User ID: 510531 10/7/2008 7:01 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
This isn't anything new that we haven't already heard from CodePink and friends. This is garbage for the most part, and the woman is a hypocrite.
As far as naomi wolf being the 'revolutionary' described by the web bots, at that point I lost a little respect for the entire project. I'm sorry but the majority of americans simply arent that liberal as to follow someone like naomi wolf in a revolution.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 419036
I have never aligned myself with the "liberal" or "feminist" agendas, but i didn't allow my bias to prevent watching Wolf's warnings. She did a great job of describing the parallels from previous despots to the one we're seeing before our eyes.
Every american should read her book EndOf America(assuming it contains the info she presents in the vid). I know i will be buying it ASAP and sharing with friends.
The truth is the truth and there isn't enough of it available in this country anymore.
I don't like Obama, either, but I sure as hell won't throw the message out just because she's in favor of him. That would be cutting my nose off to spite my face.
Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild
Yeah...of course her message is important.
She's been warning us for awhile. Things are getting worse.
We're in BIG trouble here.
And we need to pay attention to her warning.
What I AM saying is that putting Obama in office as the president isn't going to save the day.
I don't trust him anymore than I do McCain.
TEXAS UNCENSORED User ID: 520015 10/7/2008 7:06 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
First, I'm not a gramps. I am a woman. The boomers you are insulting stopped a war, stopped the draft, forced the goverment to drop the voting age to 18 ( after all, it was our friends, many 17 & 18 who were dieing), exposed corruption and theft in DC, toppled a president & vice president, forced more equal rights for women who couldn't even get credit without a male co-signer, and more.
So, again, you know very little about history, or your grandparents.
I am not the one here who has been bitching, and most of those over 40 have not been bitching either.
It is your ilk who have been insulting those who do have knowledge, & who have done things to improve the world you live in. It is you who has been exposing your complete ignorance, your labeling of others, your complete lack of respect for anyone or anything, and frankly, your Coward status.
You have also shown your complete inability to discuss anything without trying to show us how smart you think you are, dumbass.
TU
I have a complaint. It's people like you who shat on the Vietnam Vets who came home destroyed from a war they didn't want to go to. So many young men obeyed the law and went to war while MANY COWARDS ran to Canada. That's the disgrace here. COWARDS.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108
Okay, dumbass. You have your head crammed up your ass again. Instead of asking questions, you are blowing hot air up your own ass.
1. I, at my own expense along with others, put together a tour of military hospitals and family centers during the Tet offensive in Nam. We put together the first toy drive for the children of those soldiers.
2. My uncle who became the ASST. SURGEON General of the US, also spent more than a year in Nam.
3. My former husband, while we were together served at DaNang AFB in Viet Nam.
4. A close friend died in Viet Nam.
5. My current s.o.'s brother served in Viet Nam.
6. My uncle George Washington led the revolutionary military that took down the British, and established the goverment of the US. He was the fiirst elected President of the United States.
7. My nephew currently serves in the army training special ops recruits.
8. My step dad and his brother served in WWII.
9. My bio-father served in Korea.
10. My uncle Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence.
So, again, dufus, you have a bad habit of talking with your head shoved up your ass. You have a bad habit of showing all of us how ignorant and unwilling to educate yourself you are.
Either that, or you are a bonafied shill who thinks you are disrupting this tread and discussion, when in fact, you are making our case even stronger.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2108 10/7/2008 7:11 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
wow. i just got here Ms. Vile Sewer Mouth Lunatic. What are you so angry about? Hit a nerve? If you think there are multiples of one person disagreeing with you, you seriously need a meds check.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2108 10/7/2008 7:14 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
I have a complaint. It's people like you who shat on the Vietnam Vets who came home destroyed from a war they didn't want to go to. So many young men obeyed the law and went to war while MANY COWARDS ran to Canada. That's the disgrace here. COWARDS.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108
Say what? That was a bizarre comment and totally uncalled-for. It doesn't connect to anything and seems like a shot in the dark. Take your complaint to the people who did the injury -- CONgress, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), the Pentagon.
PS: I'm married to a Vietnam Vet...he's also a veteran of BushWar1 (oops, I meant Desert Storm). I threatened to shoot him in the foot BOTH times, dammit. He wouldn't have anything to do with that, but he sure as hell didn't want to go, yet COWARDS in CONgress sent him both times.
Go figure. "I want you to go to the window, open it, stick your head out and yell: 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore.'"
-Howard Beale (Peter Finch), Network
“Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis. “Karl Denninger
Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
Silence is consent.
TEXAS UNCENSORED User ID: 520015 10/7/2008 7:23 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
3. My former husband, while we were together served at DaNang AFB in Viet Nam.
LOL. Your "former husband" ran away!!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108
Good lord, what rock did you crawl out from under ?
As I said he served in Nam, was AF for almost 7 years.
If you speak of personal, no , again you show your ignorance. No he ran no where. While it's none of your business, I divorced him years later.
Is it remotely possible that you can contribute good information to this discussion ? Is it remotely possible that you can stop lying about those you know nothing about ?
If not, why don't you find a teenage forum or thread where you might fit in.
I AM User ID: 479806 10/7/2008 7:37 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
“... no one had a clear Plan B when Musharraf declared a state of emergency and began rounding up the lawyers and arresting the judges. No one had an unquestioned leadership structure in place for the.......................
That news is Posted on February 28, 2008
Something getting intense with the Matrix!! Many will change their direction --this is exactly the confusion (chaos) era!!
There will be many friends which becomes Foes and same things goes the other way around!!!
MARK THIS WORDS CAREFULLY --- THERE WILL BE POINT WHEN FINALLY YOU CAN ONLY TRUST YOUR (INNER) SELF to decide who or whom............
Myself
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2108 10/7/2008 7:52 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
3. My former husband, while we were together served at DaNang AFB in Viet Nam.
LOL. Your "former husband" ran away!!
Good lord, what rock did you crawl out from under ?
As I said he served in Nam, was AF for almost 7 years.
If you speak of personal, no , again you show your ignorance. No he ran no where. While it's none of your business, I divorced him years later.
Is it remotely possible that you can contribute good information to this discussion ? Is it remotely possible that you can stop lying about those you know nothing about ?
If not, why don't you find a teenage forum or thread where you might fit in.
Quoting: TEXAS UNCENSORED 520015
please chillax. or go to the VA and scream at them.
TEXAS UNCENSORED User ID: 520015 10/7/2008 7:58 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
Is it remotely possible that you can contribute good information to this discussion ? Is it remotely possible that you can stop lying about those you know nothing about ?
If not, why don't you find a teenage forum or thread where you might fit in.
TU
please chillax. or go to the VA and scream at them.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2108
Do what ? No one hear is screaming. So, along with all of your other problems, you also have a problem with those who stand up for themselves.
If you are going to consistently be off topic, and insult & lie about other posters, it seems, primarily me, I'd have to ask you , don't you have a room to clean up before your parents get home ?
If you intend to take part in this discussion, do us all a favor and Be On Topic, or find something else to do.
i'm a viet nam veteran. i did NOT run to canada. will ye listen to me at least? the world is in deep trouble. us "old" guys have fought tptb for 30 and 40 years. that's the only reason ye have the luxury to whine about boomers. we're still fighting. are ye going to fight with us or sit there and whine some more? Ross
aaron_o.o rarely pure, never simple User ID: 513816 10/7/2008 8:46 PM
Re: Naomi Wolf Interview given October 4, 2008 AMAZING INFORMATION SPREAD THIS AROUND LIKE A VIRUS*****
she has been writing for magazines and other publications for how long? awesome gal. "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes"
- Justice Felix Frankfurter
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing NO allegiance and acknowledging NO responsibility to the people." - Theodore Roosevelt, 1906
Pythagoras
...never allowed his neophytes to see him during the years of probation, but instructed them from behind a curtain in his cave
- H. P. Blavatsky (Isis Unveiled)
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