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mopar28m
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You don't expect giggling when kids get the flu vaccine, but the Sorenson girls were giddy they were getting FluMist and not a shot today. They stopped by the Partners in Pediatrics clinic in Maple Grove today with their mom and laughed while each one of them got the nasal spray vaccine. The oldest, 9-year-old Marcella says, "It's like tingly in your nose. It's really fun." And now for the first time ever, the Centers for Disease Control is recommending all school-age kids, those ages 5 to 18, get the flu shot or mist. Added to previous recommendations, the flu vaccine is now recommended for all kids ages six months and up. Partners in Pediatrics pediatrician, Dr. Howard Bach says, "At this point in time, compared to previous years, we've given out many, many more flu vaccines than we typically have in the past." Dr. Kristin Nichol, Associate Chief of Staff for Research at the VA Medical Center, is a non-voting member of the CDC Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices that made the new recommendations. She says, "We know that they [school-age children] commonly develop influenza and vaccination is safe and prevents influenza in that group." Nichol says the recommendation protects others too. "We believe that school-age children play a very important role in spreading influenza, not only in the household but in the community." This year Health Fair 11 is once again holding Flu Fighter clinics at all Cub Food Stores in Minnesota and will be giving flu shots to people as young as 4. In the past there were people who chose not to get the vaccine, feeling there were others who needed it more. But there's no need to step aside. Instead, Dr. Nichol says, step in line because this year there is more vaccine than ever, nearly 150 million doses. Nichol says, "There should be plenty of vaccine to immunize everybody who wishes to avoid influenza and my advice is for everyone think about getting vaccinated. This is a great year to do it." If you want FluMist for your children, contact your pediatrician.
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I took a flu shot many years ago,made me sick as hell...
never again!
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Mopar these shots are dangerous as most if not all of them contain Mercury. Check it out for yourself before even thinking of giving any of your children these shots.


NO ONE SHOULD GIVE THEIR NEW BORN BABIES VACCINATIONS BEFORE 18 MONTHS AND WHEN YOU DO GIVE THEM ONE AT A TIME WITH 3 TO 6 MONTH IN BETWEEN. THIS IS WHY SO MANY CHILDREN HAVE AUTISM AND SIMILAR PROBLEMS.
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Mopar is not pro-vax..
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Let's make the poison fun and tingly in kids noses, they'll line up for it.

Like fuckin coke. Snort it up.

This is sick. "Recommended" my ass. I'm surprised they didnt just go ahead and add it to the already bloated list of "required" vaccines.

Fuck these people.
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Mopar is not pro-vax..
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Thank you, this is correct, I'm NOT pro-vax.

I'm totally AGAINST vaccines. I'm posted this as a warning to all of the parents on here that their childrens Dr's. may try to push this on their children.

Just say NO!!!
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Are you also against vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, meningitis and such?

edit: To be fair I'm not sold on the chicken pox one, if only because of a lack of evidence concerning late onset shingles in an otherwise herpes zoster free patient.
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AHHH IN MINNEAPOLIS...IM DOOOMED!! hiding
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Are you also against vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, meningitis and such?

edit: To be fair I'm not sold on the chicken pox one, if only because of a lack of evidence concerning late onset shingles in an otherwise herpes zoster free patient.
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To be fair?

Shouldn't you add all of those to your "to be fair" list?
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"It's really fun"

Isn't that what the Jews said?
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To be fair?

Shouldn't you add all of those to your "to be fair" list?
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No.

None of those vaccines have had any trace of thiomeseral for more than a decade.

Those vaccines all work, unless you believe the government has been subtly scaling back infection of those diseases based on vaccine dispensation rates, in which case I point you to them buying crates of bog tissue for $100,000 each.
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My daughters school sent out letters about FluMist. A local clinic will be at their school and guess what for a mere $25 she can have the flu mist. Hell No. I have never given my 5 year old a flu shot and never will.
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Are you also against vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, meningitis and such?

edit: To be fair I'm not sold on the chicken pox one, if only because of a lack of evidence concerning late onset shingles in an otherwise herpes zoster free patient.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches

I'm against ALL vaccines. My kids are 18 & 13, neither one of them have had their vaccines & they have missed less school then their vaccinated calssmates.

See my cafemom.com link.
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I'm against ALL vaccines. My kids are 18 & 13, neither one of them have had their vaccines & they have missed less school then their vaccinated calssmates.

See my cafemom.com link.
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It's your right, (for the 13 year old at least) to decide what vaccinations they receive.

Me, I went for everything. I'm immune to stuff I'm not even at risk for.
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I'm against ALL vaccines. My kids are 18 & 13, neither one of them have had their vaccines & they have missed less school then their vaccinated calssmates.

See my cafemom.com link.



It's your right, (for the 13 year old at least) to decide what vaccinations they receive.

Me, I went for everything. I'm immune to stuff I'm not even at risk for.
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My 18 year old has already decided he is NOT vaccinating any of his kids.
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oh yeah dumb them down more......


It's time for us to fight back against these socialist scumbags

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My 18 year old has already decided he is NOT vaccinating any of his kids.
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I hope he's not having kids at 18.
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To be fair?

Shouldn't you add all of those to your "to be fair" list?


No.

None of those vaccines have had any trace of thiomeseral for more than a decade.

Those vaccines all work, unless you believe the government has been subtly scaling back infection of those diseases based on vaccine dispensation rates, in which case I point you to them buying crates of bog tissue for $100,000 each.
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You dumb bitch.I thought you left?
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My 18 year old has already decided he is NOT vaccinating any of his kids.


I hope he's not having kids at 18.
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Oh no, he KNOWS better.
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You dumb bitch.I thought you left?
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Please review the rules of the site, and I quote:

We do not discriminate against the mentally ill!

So diddle your button, please.

Oh no, he KNOWS better.
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The nose knows but the rest of it is rather a tossup I'm afraid.
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A flu shot with mercury gave me son tourette's. The course of his life changed dramatically and for the worse in that moment. I'll never forgive myself...a perfectly healthy child with no asthma or anything else that makes flu dangerous. But damn those shots can be dangerous. He was four at the time, is turning six now.
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To be fair?

Shouldn't you add all of those to your "to be fair" list?


No.

None of those vaccines have had any trace of thiomeseral for more than a decade.

Those vaccines all work, unless you believe the government has been subtly scaling back infection of those diseases based on vaccine dispensation rates, in which case I point you to them buying crates of bog tissue for $100,000 each.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches

Remember when it says "trace" it equals 2,000 parts per billion - see below for dangers of 0.5 parts per billion, 2 parts per billion, 20 parts per billion and 200 parts per billion. TRACE is 2,000 parts per billion!

From Gary Goldman
Vaccines with trace amounts of Thimerosal, by definition, contain less than 1 microgram of mercury (Hg) per dose ( [link to www.fda.gov] The term "trace" has been taken in this context to mean 1 microgram of mercury per dose or less.

Vaccines with “trace” amounts of Thimerosal (such as the influenza vaccine), by definition, “contain less than 1 microgram of mercury (Hg) per dose ( [link to www.fda.gov] ).” For example, consider that the reduced-Thimerosal flu vaccine with 0.0002% mercury is equivalent to 1 microgram (µg) of Hg per 0.5 mL, or 2 µg of Hg per mL, which is the same as 2000 µg per liter; or 2000 ppb or parts per billion .

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury has been shown to kill human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86:132–40).
2 ppb mercury is the U.S. EPA limit for drinking water ( [link to www.epa.gov]
20 ppb mercury destroys neurite membrane structures (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001:12733–7).
200 ppb mercury is the level in liquid that the EPA classifies as hazardous waste
2000 ppb - TRACE is 2000 parts per b

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OH and there isnt "Trace" amounts in flu shots.. or tetanus shots... and the ones that have "trace" amounts are never tested to see if they are actually up to the standards.

BALONEY there is no mercury. BALONEY.
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Without an imperative to eradicate thimerosal immediately, vaccine manufacturers like Merck & Co. seemingly took their time in reducing thimerosal levels in vaccines. After a large public outcry in 1999, Merck & Co. began decreasing or eliminating the amount of thimerosal in its vaccines. In September 1999, Merck announced that its new line of vaccines were preservative-free, but still continued to distribute the remainder of thimerosal-preserved vaccines until 2001. Only after a congressional inquiry in 2002 did they stop distributing their stockpile. Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Fla., called Merck's actions "misleading."


They were still on the shelves up to 2003 in some practices..
FULL DOSE (25mcg) mercury shots.


so you were wrong on 2 accounts...


later we can debate the "they work" part...
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A flu shot with mercury gave me son tourette's. The course of his life changed dramatically and for the worse in that moment. I'll never forgive myself...a perfectly healthy child with no asthma or anything else that makes flu dangerous. But damn those shots can be dangerous. He was four at the time, is turning six now.
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I feel for you.. I have an ASD son from a rxn to 6mon shots.. oh and 2 nice doses of rhogam in utero.. one at 6 weeks gestation.
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Without an imperative to eradicate thimerosal immediately, vaccine manufacturers like Merck & Co. seemingly took their time in reducing thimerosal levels in vaccines. After a large public outcry in 1999, Merck & Co. began decreasing or eliminating the amount of thimerosal in its vaccines. In September 1999, Merck announced that its new line of vaccines were preservative-free, but still continued to distribute the remainder of thimerosal-preserved vaccines until 2001. Only after a congressional inquiry in 2002 did they stop distributing their stockpile. Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Fla., called Merck's actions "misleading."


They were still on the shelves up to 2003 in some practices..
FULL DOSE (25mcg) mercury shots.


so you were wrong on 2 accounts...


later we can debate the "they work" part...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 405737

They can try to eliminate the themerisol, but there are still trace amounts in the vaccines.

They can't get rid of it completely.
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So, there you have it. The FDA says that they perform testing during the product licensing phase, but, "Once confirmatory testing is completed during licensure, CBER does not routinely 'spot check' products with 'trace amounts ' of thimerosal. A 'spot check' may be initiated if there is a deviation from an approved manufacturing process and this deviation has the potential to lead to altered thimerosal levels, or through an assessment of other risk factors apparent during review of change Supplements, inspection, or routine data review."

Not sure why this information was too top secret or unknown to be released by the lower level FDA personnel back in November.

Today I sent one more email to Mr. Middendorf, asking a few additional questions. Without congressional intervention, I don't know whether I will receive any answers.

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From: Twyla Ramos

To: Middendorf, Christopher (CBER)

Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: trace amounts of thimerosal

Dear Mr. Middendorf,

Thank you for this additional information about thimerosal content testing in vaccines. From the timing of your initial email to me, I assume that your email was prompted by the January 17, 2008 letter to the FDA from Congressman Dan Burton, in which he spoke of an email exchange between "a parent" and the CDC and FDA. (I am assuming that parent was me, although nobody has confirmed this.) Representative Burton asked the FDA to respond to him by February 11, 2008, three days before your email to me.

I have been wondering about another question asked by Representative Burton, which is not addressed in your email: "Has the FDA determined a safe reference dose for injected ethylmercury and thimerosal for adults and children?" If so, how was such a determination made? I have read the following information about mercury:

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water [link to www.epa.gov]

20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37).

200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste.
[link to www.epa.gov]

How do we know that even "trace" amounts (defined as "less than 0.3 mcg") are safe? I have read that the only testing of thimerosal was done in 1930 on a group of terminally ill people who died as expected, and on a group of dogs who became ill so thimerosal was declared unsuitable for use in dog vaccines. Surely there must be some basis on which to decide that it is safe to inject trace amounts of mercury into a baby?

Also, why does the FDA continue to allow much more than a trace amount of mercury in flu shots, although flu shots can be made mercury-free simply by packing the shots individually, at only a slightly higher cost? How on earth can these shots be o.k. for pregnant women, babies, and children?

In addition, in The Vaccine Book, Dr. Robert Sears says that he was unable to find any testing to confirm the safety of injecting aluminum into babies at the levels contained in many vaccines. Could you please tell me how it was determined that aluminum in vaccines is safe?

Thank you in advance for addressing these concerns.

Sincerely,

Twyla Ramos

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