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Chemtrails going off!!!

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Anonymous Coward
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10/8/2008 7:40 AM
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10 streams of chemtrails over my house beginning at 5:00AM this morning. Little black jets were making them. They are covering the sky.

This is in Northern NJ

Keep an eye out - they were headed West
Winningjob Subscriber
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User ID: 385114
10/8/2008 7:41 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

That means the president will be making a speech shortly...or war..never fails.
you're not the only one who thinks I don't know what I'm doing.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 68437
10/8/2008 7:44 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

screamdamned
refugee13 Subscriber
User ID: 432561
10/8/2008 7:44 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

hiding
"Livin' The Dream..."

"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"
G. House
User ID: 520460
10/8/2008 7:48 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.
refugee13 Subscriber
User ID: 432561
10/8/2008 7:50 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.
 Quoting: G. House

then, please do tell me why there are grids in the sky...
"Livin' The Dream..."

"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 476538
10/8/2008 7:51 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

10 streams of chemtrails over my house beginning at 5:00AM this morning. Little black jets were making them. They are covering the sky.

This is in Northern NJ

Keep an eye out - they were headed West
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447037

Farting ki
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496097
10/8/2008 7:55 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.
 Quoting: G. House


Really?

[link to www.chycho.com]

"Germany becomes the First Country to admit Clandestine Chemtrails Operations."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 520437
10/8/2008 7:58 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.
 Quoting: G. House



The internet myth that I see polluting my air on a weekly basis. Fuck off SHILL!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 518806
10/8/2008 8:00 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

chem trailes often pollute my sky and hang around for a long time! these are definately NOT ice crystals!!
G. House
User ID: 520460
10/8/2008 8:04 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.
 Quoting: G. House

then, please do tell me why there are grids in the sky...
 Quoting: refugee13


There are lots of aircraft flying at contrail forming altitudes.

At times conditions exist that make contrails persist or even persist and spread out into clouds.

Being that there are many aircraft flying up there and that some go in different directions, sometimes gridlike patterns are formed.

Chemtrail PROPAGANDA that this wasn't seen in history is just that, PROPAGANDA of the thinnest sort.

Proof of this can be seen in many older publications, one of which I will present examples:

The Peterson Field Guide Series A Field Guide to the Atmosphere Houghton Mifflin Company 1981.

Has many interesting things about contrails in it.

Photograph page 132 Pl.145 V - Condensation trail from a jet plane that produces its shadow on a diffuse mass of ice crystals extending downward below the contrail and the sun.

(This shoots to hell the dark "chemtrail" BS chemtrailers try to pass and not only shows one in 1981 or earlier but also explains why the phenomenom occurs.

Photograph page 132 Pl.146 - The condensation trail of a jet plane that is growing where the moist air is supersaturated with the respect to ice. This show that the contrail is located below the thin streamers of ice.

This photo is the same as many posted by many chemtrailers that they claim can ONLY BE the result of "chemical spraying". But here we have an example from 1981 or earlier that shows these phenomenom were seen a full decade before claims of chemtrail spraying.

now for some text from page 137:

In this era of high-flying aircraft, condensation trails - contrails - are a commonly observed feature of the sky. Sometimes they are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. Sometimes they maintain their integrity as a line of cloud formed in the wake of the rapidly moving aircraft; at other times they develop a series of pendules from which streamers of precipitation are observed to fall.

Contrails are a fascinating subject for study, sufficieintly complex to challenge the expert and sufficiently variable to intrigue the amatuer observer. Properly understood they yield a wealth of information about the current state of affairs in the high atmosphere, where it is dificult to locate weather instruments. Observed systematically, as a function of time, contrail information is a valuable adjunct to forecasting the weather.


Many other examples and photos showing phenomenom claimed by chemtrailers as only being possible by nefarious ways. In text and photos from 1981 or earlier.

Basically this information shoots down most claims made by the chemtrailers. Shoots down and tramples in the earth.

The Peterson Field Guide Series was sponsored by the National Audubon Society.

Of course chemtrailers will reject this as it's a book and they don't believe in books.

But I've been around a long time and I can tell you that books really do exist and I happen to have a copy of this one.

My copy has a copyright date of 1981.

This book is still available at places like amazon.com and possibly your local library.

Please excuse any typos I may have made in transcribing the text as it is a book and I couldn't cut and paste.

There are many other books pre-1981 that describe, discuss, and explain persistant contrails and persistant contrails that spread out into clouds.
Joyce Junior
User ID: 492646
10/8/2008 8:04 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

10 streams of chemtrails over my house beginning at 5:00AM this morning. Little black jets were making them. They are covering the sky.

This is in Northern NJ

Keep an eye out - they were headed West
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447037



The sky is completely check marked in my neck of the woods (Hudson Valley, NY). There are four planes at a time crossing the air.

I have never seen so many in one morning.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 341923
10/8/2008 8:04 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

chem trailes often pollute my sky and hang around for a long time! these are definately NOT ice crystals!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 518806

Why not? The science behind them has been known about for more than 70 years. It says that given the right conditions the contrails will persist. Lo and behold when those conditions are observed persistent contrails are observed also. Its not really that complicated.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 447037 (OP)
10/8/2008 8:09 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

10 streams of chemtrails over my house beginning at 5:00AM this morning. Little black jets were making them. They are covering the sky.

This is in Northern NJ

Keep an eye out - they were headed West



The sky is completely check marked in my neck of the woods (Hudson Valley, NY). There are four planes at a time crossing the air.

I have never seen so many in one morning.
 Quoting: Joyce Junior


They must be from the same aircraft because I am fairly close to that area
G. House
User ID: 520460
10/8/2008 8:10 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.



The internet myth that I see polluting my air on a weekly basis. Fuck off SHILL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 520437


Ah,

The chemtrail enthusiast peanut gallery is heard from.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496097
10/8/2008 8:10 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Yeah.. let's have a copy/paste p1ssin contest.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For all those activists who have been investigating and reporting on clandestine government operations around the world to manipulate our weather patterns, this news from Germany is groundbreaking.

The TV news report states that “the military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed…

“We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.”

“This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements -- although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful.”

“In the United States of America there are protest after protest for many years now, against these military operations and now people are mobilising in Germany as well. Per example JOHANNES REMMEL of the Greens.

“It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population.”

This is a very significant development in the battle to find out why our governments are spraying chemicals into our atmosphere, however it is only the tip of the iceberg. As far as researchers have been able to conclude, chemical spraying by our governments have been in full operation since mid-to-late 1990’s (possibly earlier). The following video presentation is a great introduction to chemtrails and some of its possible implications:

Right now we can only speculate as to what type of chemicals are used in these operations, however one thing is certain, if we saw a car driving down the road, spewing out a plume of smoke the way these planes are doing we would be very concerned.

Considering that half the species in the world could be wiped out due to global warming, the least we could do is to demand that our governments explain what it is that they are spraying us with, specially if military heads are claiming “that the substances used are not harmful”. As we know, when the militaries of the world say we have nothing to be concerned about then we have everything to be concerned about. Keep in mind that chemtrails have been categorized as an “exotic weapons systems” by the 107th CONGRESS of the United States in House Bill H. R. 2977.

[link to www.chycho.com]
Winningjob Subscriber
Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
User ID: 385114
10/8/2008 8:11 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

10 streams of chemtrails over my house beginning at 5:00AM this morning. Little black jets were making them. They are covering the sky.

This is in Northern NJ

Keep an eye out - they were headed West



The sky is completely check marked in my neck of the woods (Hudson Valley, NY). There are four planes at a time crossing the air.

I have never seen so many in one morning.


They must be from the same aircraft because I am fairly close to that area
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447037

I don't know about the chemtrails, but as of yesterday, I have never heard so much air movement...yesterday morning there were 15 or so HEAVY planes taking off one after another...transport, chemtrails..don't know, but something is happening or rather about to.
you're not the only one who thinks I don't know what I'm doing.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316006
10/8/2008 8:13 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

chem trailes often pollute my sky and hang around for a long time! these are definately NOT ice crystals!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 518806


Congrats.
You just 'proved' that clouds don't exist.

iamwith
G. House
User ID: 520460
10/8/2008 8:56 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Yeah.. let's have a copy/paste p1ssin contest.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For all those activists who have been investigating and reporting on clandestine government operations around the world to manipulate our weather patterns, this news from Germany is groundbreaking.

The TV news report states that “the military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed…

“We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.”

“This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements -- although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful.”

“In the United States of America there are protest after protest for many years now, against these military operations and now people are mobilising in Germany as well. Per example JOHANNES REMMEL of the Greens.

“It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population.”

This is a very significant development in the battle to find out why our governments are spraying chemicals into our atmosphere, however it is only the tip of the iceberg. As far as researchers have been able to conclude, chemical spraying by our governments have been in full operation since mid-to-late 1990’s (possibly earlier). The following video presentation is a great introduction to chemtrails and some of its possible implications:

Right now we can only speculate as to what type of chemicals are used in these operations, however one thing is certain, if we saw a car driving down the road, spewing out a plume of smoke the way these planes are doing we would be very concerned.

Considering that half the species in the world could be wiped out due to global warming, the least we could do is to demand that our governments explain what it is that they are spraying us with, specially if military heads are claiming “that the substances used are not harmful”. As we know, when the militaries of the world say we have nothing to be concerned about then we have everything to be concerned about. Keep in mind that chemtrails have been categorized as an “exotic weapons systems” by the 107th CONGRESS of the United States in House Bill H. R. 2977.

[link to www.chycho.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 496097


The famous German article?

Errors in translation.

German Air Force was using chaff in training missions.

Kucinich Bill?

Rogue personel working for Kucinich snuck BS into the bill embarrassin Kucinich, it was later removed.

Chemtrails are an internet myth, ALL BS.
G. House
User ID: 520460
10/8/2008 9:07 AM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

In the end,

the REAL TEST would be for you fruitcakes to come up with reliable data that actually shows proof from a sample taken from a so-called chemtrail in situ meaning as it's being sprayed behind the aircraft in question.

Why don't you fruitcakes have this?

I'll tell you why!

The main proponents behind the chemtrail conspiracy movement know that the whole thing is a canard. That is why it's never been done.

I'll bet that you could contract samples being taken and analyzed fro about $100,000 or so.

Since YOU believe EVERONE believes in chemtrails this amount should be peanuts to pool together.

In fact exactly what happens to the money collected by your chemtrail conspiracy gurus?

This could have been done long ago.

Lunatic fringe is all you are.

LUNATIC FRINGE!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11632
10/8/2008 2:26 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to users.design.ucla.edu]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 500288
10/8/2008 2:29 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth.

The myth originates out of the lunatic fringe.

Look at the GLP logo up in the corner.

then, please do tell me why there are grids in the sky...


There are lots of aircraft flying at contrail forming altitudes.

At times conditions exist that make contrails persist or even persist and spread out into clouds.

Being that there are many aircraft flying up there and that some go in different directions, sometimes gridlike patterns are formed.

Chemtrail PROPAGANDA that this wasn't seen in history is just that, PROPAGANDA of the thinnest sort.

Proof of this can be seen in many older publications, one of which I will present examples:

The Peterson Field Guide Series A Field Guide to the Atmosphere Houghton Mifflin Company 1981.

Has many interesting things about contrails in it.

Photograph page 132 Pl.145 V - Condensation trail from a jet plane that produces its shadow on a diffuse mass of ice crystals extending downward below the contrail and the sun.

(This shoots to hell the dark "chemtrail" BS chemtrailers try to pass and not only shows one in 1981 or earlier but also explains why the phenomenom occurs.

Photograph page 132 Pl.146 - The condensation trail of a jet plane that is growing where the moist air is supersaturated with the respect to ice. This show that the contrail is located below the thin streamers of ice.

This photo is the same as many posted by many chemtrailers that they claim can ONLY BE the result of "chemical spraying". But here we have an example from 1981 or earlier that shows these phenomenom were seen a full decade before claims of chemtrail spraying.

now for some text from page 137:

In this era of high-flying aircraft, condensation trails - contrails - are a commonly observed feature of the sky. Sometimes they are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus. Sometimes they maintain their integrity as a line of cloud formed in the wake of the rapidly moving aircraft; at other times they develop a series of pendules from which streamers of precipitation are observed to fall.

Contrails are a fascinating subject for study, sufficieintly complex to challenge the expert and sufficiently variable to intrigue the amatuer observer. Properly understood they yield a wealth of information about the current state of affairs in the high atmosphere, where it is dificult to locate weather instruments. Observed systematically, as a function of time, contrail information is a valuable adjunct to forecasting the weather.


Many other examples and photos showing phenomenom claimed by chemtrailers as only being possible by nefarious ways. In text and photos from 1981 or earlier.

Basically this information shoots down most claims made by the chemtrailers. Shoots down and tramples in the earth.

The Peterson Field Guide Series was sponsored by the National Audubon Society.

Of course chemtrailers will reject this as it's a book and they don't believe in books.

But I've been around a long time and I can tell you that books really do exist and I happen to have a copy of this one.

My copy has a copyright date of 1981.

This book is still available at places like amazon.com and possibly your local library.

Please excuse any typos I may have made in transcribing the text as it is a book and I couldn't cut and paste.

There are many other books pre-1981 that describe, discuss, and explain persistant contrails and persistant contrails that spread out into clouds.
 Quoting: G. House

Whatever Dude!
www.carnicom.com
Do your research idiot!
G. House
User ID: 520774
10/8/2008 2:34 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Whatever Dude!
www.carnicom.com
Do your research idiot!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 500288


What does gullible ignorant fools being taken in by the BS posted at carnicom.com have to do with "research"?
Winningjob Subscriber
Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
User ID: 385114
10/8/2008 2:36 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Why do you people continue to argue? Neither one is going to budge and say "I am wrong", or "You Are Right". Therefore, have some respect for yourself which leads to respect for others and simply state what you think or believe...the person that says you are WRONG on either side is the person with an issue.
you're not the only one who thinks I don't know what I'm doing.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 500288
10/8/2008 2:37 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Whatever Dude!
www.carnicom.com
Do your research idiot!


What does gullible ignorant fools being taken in by the BS posted at carnicom.com have to do with "research"?
 Quoting: G. House



Just one of many sites...and one of many tests

BARIUM TESTS ARE POSITIVE
Clifford E Carnicom
Santa Fe, New Mexico
May 24 2004

A series of qualitative chemical tests and deductions now confirm without doubt the presence of significant amounts of barium within atmospheric samples. Citizens may now begin the process of collecting the sample materials for formal submission to public environmental agencies and private labs for identification. The testing process can be done at modest expense and the results from laboratory analysis can now be qualitatively and independently verified without great difficulty. Any testing service employed will need to be able to demonstrate no vested interest in the outcome of the results, accuracy of method, and the willingness to have the testing process independently monitored.

The material under analysis has been collected by a plate ionizing filter; it may also be collected with conventional fiber filtration over a longer period of time. HEPA filter collection and subsequent electrolysis of the filter material placed in distilled water has also proven successful. Extended time periods may be required to collect a sufficient volume of material for electrolytic processing and external testing preferences. Readers are referred to previous articles1,2 for two methods of collection. The use of electrolysis is significant in producing a final compound for testing purposes. The solid materials (powder/ crystals) collected by the plate ionizing filter, assuming they satisify the test procedures described on this page, will be sufficient for laboratory analysis. Qualitative chemical tests and flame tests positively establish the significant presence of barium compounds within the atmospheric sample.

Citizens with sufficient environmental concern are encouraged to begin this process of sample collection and identification, along with the documentation of the responses of both public and private environmental services.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 500288
10/8/2008 2:38 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Why do you people continue to argue? Neither one is going to budge and say "I am wrong", or "You Are Right". Therefore, have some respect for yourself which leads to respect for others and simply state what you think or believe...the person that says you are WRONG on either side is the person with an issue.
 Quoting: Winningjob


Indeed, I agree. Amen! I was simply stating the fact of Heavy Spraying.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 520780
10/8/2008 2:39 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]


bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 520780
10/8/2008 2:40 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Whatever Dude!
www.carnicom.com
Do your research idiot!


What does gullible ignorant fools being taken in by the BS posted at carnicom.com have to do with "research"?
 Quoting: G. House



G HOUSE YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

[link to pimpinturtle.com]
G. House
User ID: 520774
10/8/2008 2:40 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Whatever Dude!
www.carnicom.com
Do your research idiot!


What does gullible ignorant fools being taken in by the BS posted at carnicom.com have to do with "research"?



Just one of many sites...and one of many tests

BARIUM TESTS ARE POSITIVE
Clifford E Carnicom
Santa Fe, New Mexico
May 24 2004

A series of qualitative chemical tests and deductions now confirm without doubt the presence of significant amounts of barium within atmospheric samples. Citizens may now begin the process of collecting the sample materials for formal submission to public environmental agencies and private labs for identification. The testing process can be done at modest expense and the results from laboratory analysis can now be qualitatively and independently verified without great difficulty. Any testing service employed will need to be able to demonstrate no vested interest in the outcome of the results, accuracy of method, and the willingness to have the testing process independently monitored.

The material under analysis has been collected by a plate ionizing filter; it may also be collected with conventional fiber filtration over a longer period of time. HEPA filter collection and subsequent electrolysis of the filter material placed in distilled water has also proven successful. Extended time periods may be required to collect a sufficient volume of material for electrolytic processing and external testing preferences. Readers are referred to previous articles1,2 for two methods of collection. The use of electrolysis is significant in producing a final compound for testing purposes. The solid materials (powder/ crystals) collected by the plate ionizing filter, assuming they satisify the test procedures described on this page, will be sufficient for laboratory analysis. Qualitative chemical tests and flame tests positively establish the significant presence of barium compounds within the atmospheric sample.

Citizens with sufficient environmental concern are encouraged to begin this process of sample collection and identification, along with the documentation of the responses of both public and private environmental services.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 500288


Samples taken at ground level.

Meaningless, as there is nothing at all that links them directly to so-called chemtrails.

And if you think it does, sorry but you have no clue as to proper scientific methods.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 499547
10/8/2008 2:51 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

Just heard on the news that PCB11 found in Chicago air samples. Highly unusual and they are going to look in other large cities as well.
Here's a link from 29 Sept news:
[link to www.scientificblogging.com]

If this has already been covered, sorry... but may have something to do w/Chemtrails....
gov't poisoning general population....NOOOO, never!! HA!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 489543
10/8/2008 2:54 PM
Re: Chemtrails going off!!!Quote

yeah they were doing that in Knoxville on Monday. by wednesday, today we have rain. Cloud seeding continues.
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