For those who are interested Cliff of the webbot fame discusses chemtrails in his September 26th interview (it's a long one but you can skip to the chemtrail portion if you like)it will give the reason why and the future of chemtrails - the good thing is that we will get our blue skys back.
Hope the link works if you don't get to his transcript page you can access it from the main page. Please. . those who are concerned about these trails you should read it. . .
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I'm pretty sure that nobody has looked at the link I provided in my first post on this thread so I'm copying a bit of Ciff's interview from the point of the discussion of chemtrails.
So everyone read and get educated. . .
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K: No, but I did see a positive event that had to do with chemtrails that you talked about.
C: OK.
K: There’s going to be an event such that it’s gonna clear the skies, you even said.
C: Right, but that may not be positive, because the chemtrails appear to be The Powers That Be attempting to change the albedo of the planet and to reflect back radiation. All other suppositions as to their activity seems to be secondary.
If they’re gone, we may suffer greatly. We don’t know yet. Chemtrail pilots and those people that put the whole program together may be absolute heroes, even though they may end up killing, you know, untold numbers of humans. Maybe other untold numbers of humans will survive and the species will flourish because we were able to reflect radiations that are incoming and there won’t be that level of damage. We don’t know…
K: Well, let me ask you this. If… In a sense, my understanding of chemtrails is… You’re saying the secondary effects may not be positive, but the primary might be exactly what you say it is. But if it’s secret language and it’s not released, how is it that you think you could be tracking it? Because my understanding of what the chemtrails are doing is something else entirely, and it sounds like you haven’t tapped into that. If it’s secret, it’s not going to be talked about.
C: Right. But we don’t deal in things that are talked about. We don’t count words. We deal in archetypes and then, up through an interpretation, we apply them to what we see around us.
So, for instance, we’ve got an archetype of a maritime disaster that would cause the whole United States to go into a great sorrow. And we’ve got all of this information. And it turned out not to be maritime per se, because we were off in the interpretation of that archetype. And we should have just translated it as “the ship” and then matched it closer to reality and decided that it was the Shuttle, the space ship.
So we did some of these things wrong. But at the same time, we don’t deal in conscious words per se. We deal in the archetypes and let it bubble up from that.
So our understanding of chemtrails comes from the archetype that The Powers That Be are intensely scared and scared at all these different levels. One of the things they’re scared about is not going into an ice age. If we don’t go into an ice age, as in Lovelock’s book, Gaia is doomed to go the way of, supposedly, Venus. We get extra-hot and everybody’ll die off.
And so, usually at this particular point in our orbital permutations we get to the 100,000-year cycle and we go into a mini ice age, which cools everything down, refreshes the oceans, etc., etc., That is not occurring at this point because we’re lining up with the dark rift on the side of the galactic central, and we’re getting extra radiation coming on in, which is heating everything up. Everything from the GRBs, the solar radiation, the heliosphere radiation pouring on in, etc., is raising the temperature on all the planets, in spite of the fact that, at this point in our cycle of 100,000 years, we should be cooling down, to the betterment of the planet.
So The Powers That Be got really scared and at least at one bespoke level of their internal fear they wanted to react and change the albedo by putting up a radiation shield that would cool the planet down as though we had glaciers all over the place, as though we had gone into the ice age. They hoped to trigger it that way.
Now, there’s also all kinds of other fears buried way down deep in the archetype that goes to some really strange stuff, like they’re really afraid of the pineal gland in humans.
K: Right. The consciousness of our own power. And, on top of that, also alien invasion. And on top of that, what about Planet X? And what are you getting in that respect?
C: The Planet X stuff is a non-starter. It appears to be almost 100 percent disinformation from our viewpoint, in terms of what we call SKED: Subject Knowledge Elucidates the Domain. It’s an analysis technique. And within our data-sets none of the Planet X material is as it is mythologically defined within our current culture.
So, yeah, there’s probably large-sized asteroids, etc., zipping around, and even some mini-planets. But there’s no giant dwarf star kind of thing that’s gonna come on in and cause that kind of problem -- because the solar system, at one point, cannot survive such a thing.
That does not allow… For instance, the whole mythology does not allow for what we call quanta effects of interplanetary kinds of material. In other words, not just gravity, but there’s also antigravity, a repulsive force. And so, those kinds of things intrude on the idea.
Plus, in our data-sets, Planet X is within a very deep subset of what we call the SpaceGoatFarts, in an area of disinfo. We’ve never shown any of the Planet X info emotionally, in the context in which we use, to come out of that category.
K: OK. But it sounds like you’re putting your interpretation in terms of the science that you know versus not being able to talk about the science you don’t know.
C: OK. There is that. That certainly is the case. But absent that, the whole idea of the context of Planet X as was originated and is mostly… most completely embodied by the zetatalk thing… that has never come out of the disinfo bin in our SpaceGoatFarts. Now, there’s a whole lot…
K: Now what about Nibiru? In other words, are you having problems with the choice of language here?
C: No no no. Because we’ve got it modeled on the various different parameters, all the way going back to Sitchin and everything. And besides which, he’s was a very poor linguist and mostly did a lot of bad translations on some stuff.
But the best representation of that kind of a model is a couple of the scientists out there -- Paul La Voilette who is working on the electric universe model etc., and their concept as to how these small little intrusions are going to act.
So, I’m sorry, but we don’t show Planet X. We also show all kinds of things that are current in pop culture as falling in that bin where we don’t have an emotional archetype that supports them outside of the disinfo category.
K: OK. When you say you don’t have an emotional archetype that supports it, is it possible that you… there is a reason why you wouldn’t have an emotional archetype?
C: Sure. There are some artifacts within our processing that could certainly occur. I question… We have these debates internally, and I question sometimes whether, for instance, we would be able to accurately predict a meteor that would come on in and attack the planet, because it’s so far out in left field, so to speak, that humans wouldn’t necessarily be cognizant of it.
However, if we’re working on the alternate view of reality, that we’re all interconnected in the common mind, and our minds are impacted by every other mind etc., etc., in a giant network, then I don’t see how anything in reality could occur that could not communicate to that mind.
So the fact that I don’t particularly have a model shouldn’t matter that much because it should reveal itself in the language, and I shouldn’t have to root around and discover what that is. Just for instance, I did not have terrorism modeled. And words showed up that said military / accident / money center / within 85 days of the middle of July. And it turned out to be, of course, the attack on the wtc and 911. And I didn’t have terrorism modeled.
K: OK, but I would counter that by saying because it wasn’t perpetrated by terrorists.
C: Well, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. Everybody applied the label of terrorism to it. So the fact that my people are applying the label of Nibiru or Planet X or whatever … it’s applying to an underlying context that should show up if in fact that were some emergent basis in the fear.
In other words, we got a context, again one I had not modeled: electric-driven water. And if I’d been smart I would have said: Force-driven water. Hmm, what kind of force could drive water? And then it would have dawned on me: a tsunami. But I never even thought about it. I went the other way. I thought: Ooh, electricity, storms, giant storms, hurricanes that happen at the same time as the earthquake.
Well, I was wrong about that. Electric-driven water was pretty straight-forward, but we did not have any emotional quantifiers attached to the word tsunami in our lexicon.
K: OK. Now I see you reference hyper-dimensional physics, though, rather repeatedly in your documents here.
C: Correct.
K: And I think that’s really interesting. So, are you able to talk about things like how that impacts what’s gonna be happening to us as we move into the galactic center? And what’s going on with, for example, the Face on Mars, the pyramids, 19.5, things that Hoagland talks about, for example?
C: Sure, and actually that developed because… A few years back I started another thing, that the entities were shifting around and we had to do some things… Like, we had this big entity which we called Bushco, which was the amalgamation of the Bush Administration and the Corporatocracy. And it severed. And it came into the Bushistas and then in the markets etc. So the data changes on us enough to force us to look at this.
And a few years back we started getting all this Unknown Energies from Space business. We didn’t really have a bin to throw it in. It was tucked into the Terror entity, or sometimes it would show up in the GlobalPop or the AmericaPop subsections: subsets-science, subsets-government, etc., etc.
And we’d get all these repeated bits of information that appeared like they all wanted to go together. So we decided: OK, let’s create a bin. And we called it the SpaceGoatFarts.
And because it was gonna be in that area that we’d hold all of our unknown and officially-denied space-based, but also interdimensional, also, you know, basically hyper-dimensional, and all of this kind of stuff. As that data-set… As that entity has grown over time and pulled in more and more sets of data on its own, it’s forced us to examine this kind of stuff and to follow some of these rather intriguing subjects, like hyper-dimensionality.
Now, I have to say that I’m aware of all of this about electricity since way back when. I knew about the electric model before even getting into the work I’m in now. And I’m also an aficionado of Buckminster Fuller’s work that he did through synergetics. So a lot of this stuff that is being expressed at the level of hyper-dimensional physics has been out there in various different places on our planet in various different formats and you could have gone out and picked up little bits and pieces from here and there.
What’s interesting is how many people have done just that and are putting them all together. And then we have to ask ourselves: Why are they being motivated to do it now? Well probably because we need to know about it now.
K: OK. And then one last question and I’ll let you go because I know this has gotten quite long.
C: Oh, I’m fine, we can chat all night. I’ve got coffee.
K: Really? OK. There’s a lot of talk about going from the third to the fourth to the fifth dimension -- the actual Earth itself -- as a result of the transformations that are happening on the planet. Have you been getting information about that?
C: We may be. I have to be somewhat vague because, again, it’s an issue of do we have it modeled correctly? In our SpaceGoatFarts entity, we have a subset called unknown and within that we have another subset called energy, and it splits off into these various different areas.
There appears to be a whole lot of information about extra energy coming in from space. The data-sets might be reflecting major changes at levels that might go down to what we call the ESR or the Electron Spin Resonance. So, who knows what that’s gonna cause?
Would humans be able to adequately project the result of something like the change in the electron spin resonance level across the whole of the solar system if we get into some of these energetic areas, in a way that we could meaningfully pick up? I don’t know. We might be getting some hints that there’s some huge changes along that level coming up.
As for popping into the fourth dimension… the fourth density or something, we don’t have any words specifically towards that, other than we’re picking up some of those that are coming from those people that are promulgating that idea out there. We’re not picking up any of the archetypes that I would suspect should arise. It doesn’t mean that we won’t. We’re just not at this moment.
K: OK, because, for example, it seems to me that maybe an archetype symbol would be the spiral.
C: [long pause] Yeah, but that’s all tied up in the idea of the eschaton and the singularity and so on. It’d be awful hard to separate that from those previous contexts and apply it.
We do see a whole… We do see mass kinds of changes coming in at various different levels that are affecting the data at unexpected places. And they’re pointing to things like, as I say, the pineal gland.
And in this coming report we’re gonna write about fluoride because there’s gonna be a huge emotional wave building in 2009 about the damage that was done to people as a result of fluoride and its interaction with the pineal gland. And a lot of people are gonna be very, very, very upset because they will feel that something has been stolen from them. And I think that what they’re going to be feeling is that the potential or capacity for a better expression of humanity has been stolen from them, once they know certain information.
K: Wow. OK, well I’m… Thank you. This has been really fascinating. And I’m sure that we could go on all night but I’m gonna let you go here.
B: Clif, thank you so much for sharing so much with us. This has been very, very interesting.
C: Sure. Any time. And, you know, like I say bona fortuna to us all. You know, good luck to us all. We’ve got some hard times coming, so everybody needs to, you know, get strong to go long.
K: OK, well this has been great and we would love to check back in with you, hopefully after October sometime, maybe in late October or even November.
C: Sure, sure.
K: OK. All right. Take care and thank you very much.
C: OK. Thank you, bye.
K: Bye.
This has been Project Camelot and this is Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan. It’s Friday, September 26, 2008. Thank you very much.
