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HCR 2034 introduced by Representatives Johnson Cooley


A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

PROPOSING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OCCUR.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)

Whereas, on July 4, 1776, our founding fathers proclaimed that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government and declared thirteen British colonies to be free and independent, or sovereign, states; and

Whereas, on March 1, 1781, the thirteen states formed a central government they called the United States of America under a charter known as the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, which stated that "each state retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence"; and

Whereas, on September 17, 1787, the leaders of the Continental Congress signed the present Constitution of the United States, which was then transmitted to the thirteen states for ratification and the formation of a new central government; and

Whereas, several of the states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"; and

Whereas, eventually all thirteen of the independent states ratified the Constitution of the United States and joined the new Union, while retaining their sovereignty as states. The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that the states delegated to it limited and specific powers; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders; and

Whereas, under Article V, Constitution of the United States, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. In the alternative, if the states choose to exercise their inherent right as sovereigns, fewer than thirty-eight states may lawfully choose to ignore Article V, Constitution of the United States, and establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring:

1. That when or if the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States or any other federal agent or agency declares the Constitution of the United States to be suspended or abolished, if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state or if any federal order attempts to make it unlawful for individual Americans to own firearms or to confiscate firearms, the State of Arizona, when joined by thirty-four of the other fifty states, declares as follows: that the states resume all state powers delegated by the Constitution of the United States and assume total sovereignty; that the states re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution of the United States as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary, similarly following the precedent and procedures of the founding fathers; that individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected; that each state assume a negotiated, prorated share of the national debt; that all land within the borders of a state belongs to the state until sold or ceded to the central government by the state's Legislature and Governor; and that once thirty-five states have agreed to form a new government, each of the remaining fifteen be permitted to join the new confederation on application.

2. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this Resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and each Member of Congress from the State of Arizona.




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HCR 2034 introduced by Representatives Johnson Cooley


A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

PROPOSING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OCCUR.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)

Whereas, on July 4, 1776, our founding fathers proclaimed that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government and declared thirteen British colonies to be free and independent, or sovereign, states; and

Whereas, on March 1, 1781, the thirteen states formed a central government they called the United States of America under a charter known as the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, which stated that "each state retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence"; and

Whereas, on September 17, 1787, the leaders of the Continental Congress signed the present Constitution of the United States, which was then transmitted to the thirteen states for ratification and the formation of a new central government; and

Whereas, several of the states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"; and

Whereas, eventually all thirteen of the independent states ratified the Constitution of the United States and joined the new Union, while retaining their sovereignty as states. The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that the states delegated to it limited and specific powers; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders; and

Whereas, under Article V, Constitution of the United States, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. In the alternative, if the states choose to exercise their inherent right as sovereigns, fewer than thirty-eight states may lawfully choose to ignore Article V, Constitution of the United States, and establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring:

1. That when or if the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States or any other federal agent or agency declares the Constitution of the United States to be suspended or abolished, if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state or if any federal order attempts to make it unlawful for individual Americans to own firearms or to confiscate firearms, the State of Arizona, when joined by thirty-four of the other fifty states, declares as follows: that the states resume all state powers delegated by the Constitution of the United States and assume total sovereignty; that the states re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution of the United States as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary, similarly following the precedent and procedures of the founding fathers; that individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected; that each state assume a negotiated, prorated share of the national debt; that all land within the borders of a state belongs to the state until sold or ceded to the central government by the state's Legislature and Governor; and that once thirty-five states have agreed to form a new government, each of the remaining fifteen be permitted to join the new confederation on application.

2. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this Resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and each Member of Congress from the State of Arizona.




[link to www.azleg.state.az.us]
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Good! Then McCain can go be emperor of the United State of Arizona!

Election over, case closed!
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
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congratulations, that makes you smarter than most with a HS diploma
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Lol, McCain would be run out on a rail. Good for Arizona. What's status of this resolution? I think Montana has pretty indicated the same if the feds try to touch any guns. They also rejected REAL ID.
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...


congratulations, that makes you smarter than most with a HS diploma
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GED == Good Enough Diploma
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
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It means that if martial law is declared in any unconstitutional way , Arizona will secede from the union, this was passed back in 2002
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HCR 2034 introduced by Representatives Johnson Cooley


A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

PROPOSING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OCCUR.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)

Whereas, on July 4, 1776, our founding fathers proclaimed that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government and declared thirteen British colonies to be free and independent, or sovereign, states; and

Whereas, on March 1, 1781, the thirteen states formed a central government they called the United States of America under a charter known as the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, which stated that "each state retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence"; and

Whereas, on September 17, 1787, the leaders of the Continental Congress signed the present Constitution of the United States, which was then transmitted to the thirteen states for ratification and the formation of a new central government; and

Whereas, several of the states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"; and

Whereas, eventually all thirteen of the independent states ratified the Constitution of the United States and joined the new Union, while retaining their sovereignty as states. The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that the states delegated to it limited and specific powers; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders; and

Whereas, under Article V, Constitution of the United States, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. In the alternative, if the states choose to exercise their inherent right as sovereigns, fewer than thirty-eight states may lawfully choose to ignore Article V, Constitution of the United States, and establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring:

1. That when or if the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States or any other federal agent or agency declares the Constitution of the United States to be suspended or abolished, if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state or if any federal order attempts to make it unlawful for individual Americans to own firearms or to confiscate firearms, the State of Arizona, when joined by thirty-four of the other fifty states, declares as follows: that the states resume all state powers delegated by the Constitution of the United States and assume total sovereignty; that the states re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution of the United States as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary, similarly following the precedent and procedures of the founding fathers; that individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected; that each state assume a negotiated, prorated share of the national debt; that all land within the borders of a state belongs to the state until sold or ceded to the central government by the state's Legislature and Governor; and that once thirty-five states have agreed to form a new government, each of the remaining fifteen be permitted to join the new confederation on application.

2. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this Resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and each Member of Congress from the State of Arizona.




[link to www.azleg.state.az.us]
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
It means that if martial law is declared in any unconstitutional way , Arizona will secede from the union, this was passed back in 2002
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Woot! thank you :)
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Lol, McCain would be run out on a rail. Good for Arizona. What's status of this resolution? I think Montana has pretty indicated the same if the feds try to touch any guns. They also rejected REAL ID.
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Arizona also rejected Real ID..The last civil war was North vs. South..The next will be East vs. West..
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
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it means that if the gov't abolishes our constitution by declaring martial law and taking away our right to bear arms, then arizona will withdraw itself from the USA and become it's own country to so speak and abide by the constitution of USA, whereas the governor of AZ would be it's president until one would be elected
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sherlock

Yeah, yeah, so will New Mexico, Montana, and a couple of other states I can't remember -

hell, Vermont already has said NO THANK YOU to the Fed for what, three years now? Too bad all they have is a bunch of drunks and diabetics with rifles to protect their meager land place in the whirled.

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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
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You can do this! Just scroll down to where it says "therefore", and carefully read everything after that.

(All the "Whereas" statements prior to the "therefore" just cites US law from the Constitution which allows them to do the part following the "Therefor".)

Try really, really hard. It will be good for your brain.
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...

it means that if the gov't abolishes our constitution by declaring martial law and taking away our right to bear arms, then arizona will withdraw itself from the USA and become it's own country to so speak and abide by the constitution of USA, whereas the governor of AZ would be it's president until one would be elected
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Also, Arizona's own MILITIA will have to forcibly EVICT the Federal presence within its boundaries to successfully enforce said Act.

...

norespect
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i love arizona!:)
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STFU douchebag , i live in AZ and the bill was passed back in 2002
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...

it means that if the gov't abolishes our constitution by declaring martial law and taking away our right to bear arms, then arizona will withdraw itself from the USA and become it's own country to so speak and abide by the constitution of USA, whereas the governor of AZ would be it's president until one would be elected
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Go Janet!!!!
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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...

it means that if the gov't abolishes our constitution by declaring martial law and taking away our right to bear arms, then arizona will withdraw itself from the USA and become it's own country to so speak and abide by the constitution of USA, whereas the governor of AZ would be it's president until one would be elected


Also, Arizona's own MILITIA will have to forcibly EVICT the Federal presence within its boundaries to successfully enforce said Act.

...

norespect
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I can see you've never heard the question "How do you know when you are Arizona?" "When its a 100 degrees at midnight and there are more guns per house than people"
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I can see you've never heard the question "How do you know when you are Arizona?" "When its a 100 degrees at midnight and there are more guns per house than people"
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Is that a bad thing???
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I can see you've never heard the question "How do you know when you are Arizona?" "When its a 100 degrees at midnight and there are more guns per house than people"

Is that a bad thing???
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nope, i love my desert and my guns...
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AZ would be the safest state, all Americans are welcome !

Just to make a point that we will not tolerate any Bull shit martial law!

Imagine millions of people flocking to AZ :)
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I can see you've never heard the question "How do you know when you are Arizona?" "When its a 100 degrees at midnight and there are more guns per house than people"

Is that a bad thing???
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weather is getting to be nice now actually:)

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AZ would be the safest state, all Americans are welcome !

Just to make a point that we will not tolerate any Bull shit martial law!

Imagine millions of people flocking to AZ :)
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It's already happened . . . Hehehe
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I can see you've never heard the question "How do you know when you are Arizona?" "When its a 100 degrees at midnight and there are more guns per house than people"

Is that a bad thing???



weather is getting to be nice now actually:)

wintertime here is heaven
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I've already pulled out my coat. Damn chilly in the morning . . .
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STFU douchebag , i live in AZ and the bill was passed back in 2002

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Yeah but who gives a fuck. Are you seriously gonna holster a rocket launcher to defend your quadrant of desert against an indiscriminate police state federal oversight empowered with technology beyond your own comprehension?

gangup

seriously.

angry
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This is from the year 2000, as far as I can tell. I cannot tell, from the following, where it went, beyond some committee.

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What does that mean in NON ATTORNEY/POLITICS language... I only have a GED shit...
It means that if martial law is declared in any unconstitutional way , Arizona will secede from the union, this was passed back in 2002
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Oh, it WAS passed? Do you have a link?
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STFU douchebag , i live in AZ and the bill was passed back in 2002



Yeah but who gives a fuck. Are you seriously gonna holster a rocket launcher to defend your quadrant of desert against an indiscriminate police state federal oversight empowered with technology beyond your own comprehension?

gangup

seriously.

angry
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seriously , you watch to much sci-fi and are talking out your paranoid schizo ass
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weather is getting to be nice now actually:)

wintertime here is heaven
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Thats only in the south.

where most of the anti-indig, gun toting repugs live.

congrats!
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STFU douchebag , i live in AZ and the bill was passed back in 2002



Yeah but who gives a fuck. Are you seriously gonna holster a rocket launcher to defend your quadrant of desert against an indiscriminate police state federal oversight empowered with technology beyond your own comprehension?

gangup

seriously.

angry
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lol..sure
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