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While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
...I wondered, "What makes EITHER of these two men special or qualified enough to lead a nation?"

I am still stuck on that question.

I fear an answer will NOT make itself evident before Nov 4.

Or ever.

So, McCainites and Obamabots: Put your cards on the table here and tell us all WHY you support one or the other.

And, if you MUST use words like "change," or "maverick," you need to explain what kind of change, and how someone is maverick.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
ding ding ding!!! Its the "Coke or Pepsi" Mentality. Nation od dullards get what they deserve.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
C'mon man!!

2nd coming
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
MY FELLOW PRISONERS


LOL
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
So, McCainites and Obamabots: Put your cards on the table here and tell us all WHY you support one or the other.
 Quoting: markusmaximus


You see, I want to weed out the party voter, who supports a nominated candidate simply because they've been nominated by the party.

I want someone, especially the Resident Shills, to say: "THIS is why I support and believe in a candidate."

So far, I've seen NONE of that, just party support.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS TO SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE, NOT THE PARTY.
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10/09/2008 11:16 AM
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
C'mon man!!

:2nd coming:
 Quoting: Evil Twin


Believe the lie?
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
So, McCainites and Obamabots: Put your cards on the table here and tell us all WHY you support one or the other.


You see, I want to weed out the party voter, who supports a nominated candidate simply because they've been nominated by the party.

I want someone, especially the Resident Shills, to say: "THIS is why I support and believe in a candidate."

So far, I've seen NONE of that, just party support.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS TO SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE, NOT THE PARTY.
 Quoting: markusmaximus


Oh, SHILLS: This would be preferable in your OWN words.
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10/09/2008 11:18 AM
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
Markus, is you can explain why you chose your avatar, I'll give it a shot.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
That's IF you can.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
I don't believe that John McCain has MY best interests in mind. Or my Family. Or My community.

I believe Obama is committed to making life better for americans. Tax Cuts, Abortion rights, Gay Rights, Educational reform, Health Care, Social Security.

It would be pointless to cite the countless articles explaining the fundemental difference in policy between these two candidates. I personally had always thought McCain was the ONLY republican Nominee. I Liked him in 2000 when i was more exposed to right-wing media and concepts, and since have changed the direction of my political view based on my place in the community and in my life.

Issues. Not people.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
BECAUSE OF OBAMA I ASPIRE TO BE THE NEXT ENGINEER!
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
Markus, is you can explain why you chose your avatar, I'll give it a shot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 479477


My avatar is an expression of the IRONY of the current financial mess we're in.

Notice the fact that the little guy is smiling, even as he douses himself in gasoline. Even while ingiting the lighter.

But he sure doesn't like it when he is burned up. Completely.

Banks provided the gasoline and the lighter. We were the ones who doused ourselves and lit ourselves on fire.

And now we don't like it.

So, like I repeat from time to time: "Life, it seems, it NOT without a sense of IRONY."
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
That's IF you can.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 479477


Hope you came back to read it...
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10/09/2008 11:35 AM
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
Although I couldn't stomach watching these two clowns; I can visualize that.

These two morons aren't capable of running a mcdonalds franchise much less the office of potus.

Strange days indeed!



This is not my America anymore
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
I don't believe that John McCain has MY best interests in mind. Or my Family. Or My community.

I believe Obama is committed to making life better for americans. Tax Cuts, Abortion rights, Gay Rights, Educational reform, Health Care, Social Security.

It would be pointless to cite the countless articles explaining the fundemental difference in policy between these two candidates. I personally had always thought McCain was the ONLY republican Nominee. I Liked him in 2000 when i was more exposed to right-wing media and concepts, and since have changed the direction of my political view based on my place in the community and in my life.

Issues. Not people.
 Quoting: AmazingLarry


Thanks for the input, Larry.

"Obama is committed to making life better for Americans."

This is a good answer, and an insight into why someone would support Obama.

About the exposure to media: Did your views evolve after obtaining most of your news from the Internet?
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
...I wondered, "What makes EITHER of these two men special or qualified enough to lead a nation?"

I am still stuck on that question.

I fear an answer will NOT make itself evident before Nov 4.

Or ever.

So, McCainites and Obamabots: Put your cards on the table here and tell us all WHY you support one or the other.

And, if you MUST use words like "change," or "maverick," you need to explain what kind of change, and how someone is maverick.
 Quoting: markusmaximus

...I wondered, "What makes EITHER of these two men special or qualified enough to lead a nation?"
That's easy,both are pro new world order puppets.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
eh, i'll probably just vote for obama to spite pacnwguy.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
it is because deep within yourself you already know the truth, neither man truly cares about the people of the nation they are pawns of the illuminated ones
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
eh, i'll probably just vote for obama to spite pacnwguy.
 Quoting: 12follow 341826


lol
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
BECAUSE OF OBAMA I ASPIRE TO BE THE NEXT ENGINEER!
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BECAUSE OF OBAMA I ASPIRE TO BE THE BEST GLP POSTER!
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
I don't believe that John McCain has MY best interests in mind. Or my Family. Or My community.

I believe Obama is committed to making life better for americans. Tax Cuts, Abortion rights, Gay Rights, Educational reform, Health Care, Social Security.

 Quoting: AmazingLarry

Yep. That's what I got from the debate. Either way, they're going to take our money and put government in charge of stuff. Obama talked more about the benefits to regular middle class americans while McCain pretty much said "don't worry the government is taking care of it, that's all you need to know".
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
At this point, we have:

1. McCain, who has absolutely no grasp on the state of our economy, and at worst, was involved in some fashion during a former financial crisis, who supported Bush with 90% of his votes, and advocates invading Iran.

2. Obama, who openly associated with radical "domestic terrorists," attended a racially bigoted church for 20 years, won't answer questions about his identity, and advocates invading Pakistan in the near future.

So, unless someone convinces me that there's something here worth voting for, I am torn and upset, knowing that even voting third party won't stay the tide against ignorance. There's too much corruption to stop it.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
Confused Grandpa

lmao
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
And something to take note of:

THE SHILLS WON'T COME IN HERE AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES, AS "EXPRESSING YOURSELF" WITHOUT COPYING AND PASTING FROM PARTY-APPROVED LITERATURE IS SOMETHING THAT SHILLS CAN'T DO.

Even THEY have no particular reason to support these jackals.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
"knowing that even voting third party won't stay the tide against ignorance. There's too much corruption to stop it."

>>Now, you have reached my arguing point.

I have changed my vote. No longer will I support Bob Barr for president. I will still vote libertarian on all other races. But NOW... I am voting for NWObama.

Why?

Because I want this all to come tumbling down. I don't want to wait. I want this place to fall completely apart as oppose to slowly collapse.

Barry will destroy the country. He has my vote.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
McCain's game is craps. So is Jeff Dearth's. Jeff was at the table when McCain showed up and happily made room for him. Apparently there is some kind of rule or tradition in craps that everyone's hands are supposed to be above the table when the dice are about to be thrown. McCain--"very likely distracted by one of the many people who approached him that evening," Jeff says charitably--apparently was violating this rule. A small middle-aged woman at the table, apparently a "regular," reached out and pulled McCain's arm away. I'll let Jeff take over the story:


"McCain immediately turned to the woman and said between clenched teeth: 'DON'T TOUCH ME.' The woman started to explain...McCain interrupted her: 'DON'T TOUCH ME,' he repeated viciously. The woman again tried to explain. 'DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO?' McCain continued, his voice rising and his hands now raised in the 'bring it on' position. He was red-faced. By this time all the action at the table had stopped. I was completely shocked. McCain had totally lost it, and in the space of about ten seconds. 'Sir, you must be courteous to the other players at the table,' the pit boss said to McCain. "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? ASK ANYBODY AROUND HERE WHO I AM."

This being Puerto Rico, the pit boss might not have known McCain. But the senator continued in full fury--"DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"--and crisis was avoided only when Jeff offered to change places and stand between McCain and the woman who had touched his arm.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
I'm not voting for either one.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
There is so much contrariness in McCain's campaign. Picking an extremist VP who believes hunting wildlife from the air is ok to appeal to gun owners; that witch doctors and war are God's everlasting WISH; that seceding from the Union is "patriotic"; etc. ....shows McCain's LACK OF GOOD JUDGEMENT.

Also, if he wants less government, then why would he even consider amnesty for illegal immigrants or laws that take away women's right to choose?

It appears that his "less government" stance simply means he doesn't want government interfering with BIG CORPORATIONS raping of America. He wants to tax health insurance benefits so that anyone who does provide insurance for their employees must also GIVE THE GOVERNMENT A PIECE OF THAT ALSO!

McCain is too hypocritical on so many fronts. We CAN read between the lines here. We are not all imbeciles.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
I feel that we, the American people, are the loosers in yesterday's debate. Neither candidate would admit that their "plans" that they developed over a year ago, will not apply in today's financial crisis. I just wanted one of them to stand up and say, you know my original plan is pretty much out the window. More than likely there will be no tax cuts, because we can't afford them, there will likely be no government funded health care by tax rebates or mandates or otherewise, because we can't afford it either. I'll just do my best to not increase taxes and try to decrease government spending.
Instead we heard the same lines we've heard on both campain trails for over a year now "my plan's the best because it has this or that"
There has to be a point where you quit throwing money in the wind. The tax rebates this last year did nothing for the economy, so lets just throw more money at the problem.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Makes me want to bang my head against the wall. I knew it would be that way but I listened to the debate anyway. why...why
It doesn't matter who we vote for it won't change anything, but I guess McCain gets my vote.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
Yep. That's what I got from the debate. Either way, they're going to take our money and put government in charge of stuff. Obama talked more about the benefits to regular middle class americans while McCain pretty much said "don't worry the government is taking care of it, that's all you need to know".
 Quoting: Poe


Good points here.

I did hear McCain constantly say "I've got the solution, and I know how to get America back on track."

But I never heard him say HOW.

During the last debate, I felt the sense of "entitlement" I originally detected in McCain move over to Obama.

Obama appeared to view the debate as a waste of time and a formality before he becomes president.

Plus, he's dodging questions about his past ideology, which could be a serious matter if his current ideology still holds empahty for his "prior" leanings.
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Re: While McCain wandered on stage like a confused grandpa, and Obama smirked like a greasy car salesman,
"knowing that even voting third party won't stay the tide against ignorance. There's too much corruption to stop it."

>>Now, you have reached my arguing point.

I have changed my vote. No longer will I support Bob Barr for president. I will still vote libertarian on all other races. But NOW... I am voting for NWObama.

Why?

Because I want this all to come tumbling down. I don't want to wait. I want this place to fall completely apart as oppose to slowly collapse.

Barry will destroy the country. He has my vote.
 Quoting: Sinanju 515707


This is certainly an interesting approach and reason.

"Vote for the guy most likely to serve as a catalyst for radical change and upheaval."

Do you think this will happen because of Obama's own inept abilities? Or just because the nation (or factions within the nation) will be torn due to his election?

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