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OBAMA BORN IN KENYA? (New Information) [Update]

 
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October 11, 2008 by texasdarlin

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[Update: Please note that the information about the Kenyan BC is based on a tip that has not yet been verified. The information filed in the lawsuit is confirmed, and taken from the court record.]

Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya
Judah Benjamin’s analysis follows the Foreword.

TD Foreword: Those who have followed this blog know that our working assumption has been that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. We have asserted that Obama’s legal name and citizenship changed when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, and that the birth certificate image published on Obama’s campaign website does not reflect current records. You can read the previous articles referenced at the end of this post to catch up on our analysis.

We now wonder if our assumption about Obama’s birth place was wrong.

I have received an unverified tip that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.

Reportedly this BC reflects information filed Oct. 9 by Philip Berg. See item #18 on this docket, page 10, the relevant language of which, underlined in red, is captured here in a screen shot:


It reads:

…Obama was born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya located in Coast Province…

We do not currently have any additional confirmation of this new information. If it is an accurate tip, the implications are disastrous for Senator Obama and his backers. For that analysis, we proceed to Judah Benjamin…

Barack Hussein Obama II
By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author

It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg’s Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.

British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.

If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].

Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.

Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see.

If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 1998) Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized.

If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen.

Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.

If Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, it is certain that he is not Eligible to hold the Offices of POTUS or VPOTUS and highly probable that he is not Legally entitled to hold the Office of Senator either and that he was not Eligible to be an Illinois State Senator.

In that event the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, Chair Diane Feinstein, have a problem because they are responsible for the Certification of a Candidate’s Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do. Should he be Elected the poisoned Chalice would pass to Nancy Pelosi because as Speaker of the House she, and the House, have the Responsibility to ensure that the President Elect can Effectively be Sworn In and Legally Assume the Office and Duties of the President.

Be very clear here, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, Diane Feinstein’s Committee have already failed in their Duty, as has every Secretary of State in the Union.

Let me repeat myself, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was, he is not even a Citizen by Birth. I had assumed ab initio that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his Hawaiian Paperwork was basically “on the up and up”, I could not conceive that a lie of this magnitude was possible, I thought that the INS would have caught on long since. If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isn’t he is not a US Citizen.

Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.

“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”

So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.

Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.

Under Common Law no Person can Testify as to their own Place of Birth, this is established Law upheld by stare decisis. Therefore it would be possible, even given the he was born in Kenya, for Obama to claim that he believed a Hawaiian Birth Certificate made him a US Citizen under the XIVth Amendment and that therefore he was acting in Good Faith running for an Office which he was Constitutionally Incapable of Holding. Unfortunately for him, his actions in regard to the Admission of his UK & Colonies and Kenyan Citizenships and his Indonesian Citizenship by Adoption, his frequent apparent Breaches of the Logan Act, his probable breaches of the Hobbs Act, the Hatch Act, USC Title 18 Part One Chapter 63 § 1346 and the RICO Statute make this Defense wholly Untenable, especially when one considers the fact that he holds a JD from Harvard Law. One may throw in the Misprision Statute for good measure. It is difficult to find any action or statement of Obama’s since 1992 that could be used to suggest Good Faith could be used as a Defense in this Case. I am not saying that Obama is Guilty of any of these Felonies or High Misdemeanors, only that his actions and pronouncements are such as to lead to a reasonable suspicion that he may be.

Under INA §349 “2. taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after having attained the age of eighteen years.” This is an “Expatriating Clause”, if you hold Dual Citizenship and do this you void your US Citizenship. Well Obama campaigned actively for Odinga in Kenya and apparently also took some kind of Luo Tribal Loyalty Oath. He may also have joined Odinga’s party. Of course his Dual Nationality lapsed in 1982 but INA §349 could, perhaps, still apply here, if he was born in Mombasa. It might even be concluded that Obama was providing grounds to restore his Kenyan Citizenship by Prime Ministerial Decree, which is Legal under the Kenyan Constitution. That would certainly look Expatriating to me, but I do not know how a Court would react.

There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?

“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”

This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:

“; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:”

It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?

McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!

Likewise it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the “very single mother” canard. Were he illegitimate there is precedent and Statute that says if his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth he would have become a Citizen of the USA at Birth under Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. However, as Miller v Albright, 523 US 420 (1998) demonstrates there is, and was, a split in the Supreme Court as to whether this Law is in fact Constitutional under the XIVth Amendment. A new case might change the precedent. For now it stands.

I do not insist that any of this is true and to me it makes little difference if it is, I hold him Ineligible anyway and have seen no solid Legal Rebuttal of my view from any source, but if he was born in Kenya he has, and can have, no defense of any description and any Document he has from Hawaii is Fraudulent on several levels. To hold the Office of POTUS one must be a Natural Born United States Citizen, if he was born in Mombasa Obama probably isn’t even a United States Citizen much less Natural Born. He would be guilty of Fraud and a list of other offenses and any and all persons who had aided him would be guilty of Misprision, in all probability.
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This is it.

The End.
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Odinga Made A Deal with Kenyan Muslims to Institute Islamic Law; Obama Campaigned for Him. MUST SEE VIDEO ON OBAMA-ODINGA!!

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Obama will never make it the white house. Anyone who cant see all of this wierd muslim, terrorist, non US citizen issue coming home to roost with him is just dilusional.
Unfortunately, i fear the worst for obama.
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OBAMA used Senate Office to influence Kenyan Presidential Elections

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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

What's good for whitey isn't good for Obama?
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<<People frequently act differently when they believe they are anonymous. Hiding behind pseudonyms, they will make false statements, argue fake claims, and dream up new conspiracies each time the current one is shot down. As TexasDarlin finally conceded:

I had personally come to the conclusion recently that Obama’s COLB was probably real, although its handling has been incredibly sloppy.

"Incredibly sloppy" is an understatement. TexasDarlin should have never promoted the conspiracy when her "experts" were unverified. And upon learning of the error, she should have recanted the accusation rather than continue to promote a baseless conspiracy.

Then again, who ever said that racists were rational. <<

Texasdarlin is a disgruntled Clinton supporter, seems to me.
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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

What's good for whitey isn't good for Obama?
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The point is that Obama may not be eligible to run for president....But Kenya is always an option1
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<<People frequently act differently when they believe they are anonymous. Hiding behind pseudonyms, they will make false statements, argue fake claims, and dream up new conspiracies each time the current one is shot down. As TexasDarlin finally conceded:

I had personally come to the conclusion recently that Obama’s COLB was probably real, although its handling has been incredibly sloppy.

"Incredibly sloppy" is an understatement. TexasDarlin should have never promoted the conspiracy when her "experts" were unverified. And upon learning of the error, she should have recanted the accusation rather than continue to promote a baseless conspiracy.

Then again, who ever said that racists were rational. <<

Texasdarlin is a disgruntled Clinton supporter, seems to me.
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I would just like to clear one thing up......since soooo many seem to assume...I will not be voting for Obama...not because he's black...which those that are going to be voting for him keep pointing out....He is not good for this country!!!!! But I really wish his supporters would stop with the race card...because they are the only ones that seem to want his race to be an issue!
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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

What's good for whitey isn't good for Obama?
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Racial comment made by an Obama supporter....so who are the racist? Just sayin
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Phil J Berg´s website:

[link to www.obamacrimes.com]

(Phil J Berg is the lawyer investigating this case and has filed a lawsuit against Obama)
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now if it plays out...the media reports this...the courts acknowledge this....then this could be a fire shit storm for everyone in the DNC...because they knew this...
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that would be so funny if this happens.
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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

What's good for whitey isn't good for Obama?
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I'm not 100% sure but I think Panama was once a U.S. territory.
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I bullshit your bullshit flag:

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October 11, 2008 by texasdarlin

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[Update: Please note that the information about the Kenyan BC is based on a tip that has not yet been verified. The information filed in the lawsuit is confirmed, and taken from the court record.]

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Berg is an ASS, and a PISSPOOR lawyer. Anyone who takes HIS word for anything is just a plain loser.



dumbass



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Obama will never make it the white house. Anyone who cant see all of this wierd muslim, terrorist, non US citizen issue coming home to roost with him is just dilusional.
Unfortunately, i fear the worst for obama.
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Just wait and see idiot!
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Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem, Part 1
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Barack Hussein Obama II
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Document forensics expert: Obama "birth certificate" a "horrible forgery"

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This story is getting more interesting every day
Obama's Hawaii Birth Certificate looks like it has been tampered with
There is also a birth certificate from a hospital in Kenya
Obama's Kenya relitives remember Obama being born in Kenya
Why would they make up a story like that
When he was 20 Obama traveled to Pakistan with a Indonisian Passport
This story is not going away anytime soon
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This story is getting more interesting every day
Obama's Hawaii Birth Certificate looks like it has been tampered with
There is also a birth certificate from a hospital in Kenya
Obama's Kenya relitives remember Obama being born in Kenya
Why would they make up a story like that
When he was 20 Obama traveled to Pakistan with a Indonisian Passport
This story is not going away anytime soon
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BERG v. OBAMA et al

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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

What's good for whitey isn't good for Obama?
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Born on an American Base (US territory) and at the time, the Panama Canal Zone was a US Territory.....But then I don't expect Obama's supporters to be real big on geography or American history.

Question:
What political party kept slavery from being outlawed when the constitution was written, founded and controlled the KKK until the 1960's to keep freed slaves from voting and created segregation?

Answer:

The party that gets over 90% of the black vote today.





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See, thats what happens when people don't read history books.
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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

What's good for whitey isn't good for Obama?

I'm not 100% sure but I think Panama was once a U.S. territory.
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mccain is covered by federal law and the panama canal was a us protectorate at the time of his birth....so he is clear..obobma is a different story...
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[link to obamacrimes.com] Complaint from Pacer.pdf
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Kicking back, waiting to see what the judge does with the case.

Gotta wonder what's going on. If the case had no merit it would have been tossed out by now.
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McBush was born in PANAMA,so what's your point OP?

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Natural-born citizen is a term used in some countries to describe a certain kind of citizenship in terms of a requirement for eligibility to serve as head of state of a given country. It is mentioned in the United States Constitution as a requirement for the President and Vice President of the US.

John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[7] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[8] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[9]

Barack Obama, who is the Democrat party nominee in 2008, has been challenged in court [5] (Berg v. Obama et al., filed in U.S. District Court for Eastern Pennsylvania) to prove that he was born in the United States. Obama answered the complaint by filing a motion to dismiss the complaint, arguing that Berg did not have standing. On October 3, 2008 it is an open question whether or not Obama was born in the United States.

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