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Urgent Warning - H5N1 DNA In FLU Vaccine!

 
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This is very important information. I suspected this all along though.

I have never gotten a flue vaccine and I never will.

My son has never gotten one either.

We need to get this video out to as many people as possible.

Good find OP
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surely the point is that they are producing the vaccines now, which means that they already have the mutated virus to make the vaccines from?

phoney vaccines created from phoney viruses.


ok, thats an interesting theory. can i just ask what the point would be? i'm not trying to be a pain, i really am interested in your ideas.
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Money is the answer.

The "vaccines" are just the public face, the need to look busy solving humanity's ills (and appearing altruistic).

The money comes into play with the drugs. How many countries are still stocked up on Tamiflu (having spent billions on it), just waitin' for the "epidemic"? Money, money, money.
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(Note: Tetracycline is an anti-biotic, not an anti-viral.)


You're right... sorry I got into prep mode and started thinking about anthrax too. You need tetracycline for that.
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However, it could be used for bacterial pneumonia, which very often accompanies flu.

(BTW, I am NOT in the medical field, everyone needs to do their own research.)
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So why has no body posted about the 1918 Pnemonic Flu, which they TPTB dug up the bodies of some sailor in the ICE, and used it to make a FLU vaccine, that they are aboutt to force on the public, and have already issued it for Cops and Military
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Now, is there a simple explanation which can define what a virus IS? Hmmmm... that's actually a tough question. A virus is not strictly alive.. nor is it strictly dead... A virus has some fundamental information (genes made of DNA or RNA) which allows it to make copies of itself. However, the virus must be inside a living cell of some kind before the information can be used. In fact, the information won't be made available unless the virus enters a living cell. It is this entrance of a virus into a cell which is called a viral infection. Too, the virus is very, very small relative to the size of a living cell. Therefore, the information the virus can carry is actually not enough to allow it to make copies (replicate). The virus uses the cell's machinery and some of the cell's enzymes to generate virus parts which are later assembled into thousands of new, mature, infectious virus which can leave the cell to infect other cells. Poliomyelitis virus for example, may have over one million copies of its basic genetic information (RNA) inside a single, infected human intestinal mucosal cell.

[link to people.ku.edu]

A virus particle, also known as a virion, is essentially nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) enclosed in a protein shell or coat. Viruses may have double-stranded DNA, double-stranded RNA, single-stranded DNA or single-stranded RNA.

[link to biology.about.com]

A virus is basically a tiny bundle of genetic material—either DNA or RNA—carried in a shell called the viral coat, or capsid, which is made up of bits of protein called capsomeres. Some viruses have an additional layer around this coat called an envelope. That's basically all there is to viruses.

[link to www.microbeworld.org]


The point of all this: STFU ABOUT VIRII NOT BEING DNA. YOU ARE JUST STUPID.
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Money is the answer.

The "vaccines" are just the public face, the need to look busy solving humanity's ills (and appearing altruistic).

The money comes into play with the drugs. How many countries are still stocked up on Tamiflu (having spent billions on it), just waitin' for the "epidemic"? Money, money, money.
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ok yes i get what you mean, this is something we do definitely agree on! sanofi pasteur is owned by the Rockefellers ffs!
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(Note: Tetracycline is an anti-biotic, not an anti-viral.)


You're right... sorry I got into prep mode and started thinking about anthrax too. You need tetracycline for that.

However, it could be used for bacterial pneumonia, which very often accompanies flu.

(BTW, I am NOT in the medical field, everyone needs to do their own research.)
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i'm also stocking up on echinacea and colloidal silver.
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The point of all this: STFU ABOUT VIRII NOT BEING DNA. YOU ARE JUST STUPID.
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Viruses, in general are DNA and/or RNA, as you are pointing out.

FLU viruses are NOT DNA, they are RNA. (see previous post for a link).

BTW, this is common knowledge in the medical field.
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We need a Life Vaccine.
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We need a Life Vaccine.
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scared
no vaccines 1rof1
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Or yeah, that.

No vaccines.

Ideally.
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what a MORON, of course they will put some bird flu in, to make you immune to it thats what a vaccine is... HOLY SHIT what a mental midget, i swear to christ
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what a MORON, of course they will put some bird flu in, to make you immune to it thats what a vaccine is... HOLY SHIT what a mental midget, i swear to christ
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what a MORON, of course they will put some bird flu in, to make you immune to it thats what a vaccine is... HOLY SHIT what a mental midget, i swear to christ
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you managed to post it twice, do you have a twitch?
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My point still stands that some viruses are DNA, whereas 349761 said that no viruses are DNA.

OK, no problem.

However, I was responding in the context of the thread title, referring to H5N1/bird flu.

(BTW, I think you could respond without the insults.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129376

I wasn't trying to insult you (sorry if it came out that way). I did intend to insult 349761 in defense of him/her calling me an idiot.
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what a MORON, of course they will put some bird flu in, to make you immune to it thats what a vaccine is... HOLY SHIT what a mental midget, i swear to christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 517242

However, realize that it will most likely NOT make you completely immune from the strain that develops into a pandemic. But it SHOULD lessen the symptoms and help you to get over it more quickly.

The flu virus is CONSTANTLY mutating. Flu is one of the fastest mutating viruses known. That's why there is a new vaccine every year (which actually contains vaccines for the 3 most likely strains for a given year.)
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I wasn't trying to insult you (sorry if it came out that way). I did intend to insult 349761 in defense of him/her calling me an idiot.
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No problem, I was referring to your response to 349761.

Thanks.
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The difference between "viral isolation" now, as opposed to a few decades ago is night and day.



"Then and now" - Is that relevant to this discussion ?

Number two: Yes, it's absolutely relevant as viral isolation set forth by the Pasteur Institute in the early 70's was a laborious and rigorous process. But ever since "HIV" entered the picture, INFERENCE is good enough for "isolation", and to hell with the Pasteur Instititute as there's money to be made from phoney viral scares.
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

Earth Muffin, I was re-reading your post. I "get it" (your post) now,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that "INFERENCE is good enough for isolation" is the basis for the current flu virus isolates in the databases I was referring to.

NOT SO. They are gnome sequences, NOT some sort of inference.

I must repeat what I said before, "Me thinks you are FOS." You're just a conspiracy nut. Do some research.
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However, realize that it will most likely NOT make you completely immune from the strain that develops into a pandemic. But it SHOULD lessen the symptoms and help you to get over it more quickly.

What a bunch of garbage.

First, you're speaking as if there is both a 'bird flu' and a properly isolated virus that is proven to cause 'bird flu'.

Second, you talk as if you know how this 'vaccine' will work, i.e. "it should lessen the symptoms". SHOULD being the operative word. Isn't that just handy-dandy and vague? So, line up for your "vaccinations", folks because it "should" "lessen the symptoms". Looks like smoke and mirrors to me.

You know what will make you immune to 'bird flu' (let's assume for a moment that it's a real thing)? What will make you immune is to come into contact with it and let your immune system do what it's meant to do. Then, you'll be immune.

Remember folks, it's still the flu. Bird or not. Thousands of people die in the US every year of non-bird flu. Many thousands more survive contact with the flu. More than anything, it boils down to your current state of physical health. Do you take care of yourself? Do you eat real food (not processed)? Get exercise, fresh air and ample rest?
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NOT SO. They are genome sequences, NOT some sort of inference.

You're now talking about a leap of faith.

What's wrong with good, old-fashioned viral isolation? Hmm?
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What's wrong with good, old-fashioned viral isolation?
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Please define what you mean by "old-fashioned viral isolation".
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What's wrong with good, old-fashioned viral isolation?

Please define what you mean by "old-fashioned viral isolation".
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Viral isolation as defined by the Pasteur Institute circa 1972.
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However, realize that it will most likely NOT make you completely immune from the strain that develops into a pandemic. But it SHOULD lessen the symptoms and help you to get over it more quickly.


First, you're speaking as if there is both a 'bird flu' and a properly isolated virus that is proven to cause 'bird flu'.
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

Obviously.
See:
Detection of H5 Avian Influenza Viruses by Antigen-Capture Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay Using H5-Specific Monoclonal Antibody
[link to www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov]
"The accurate and prompt diagnosis of H5N1 infection in birds is a critical component of a disease control plan. Currently, virus isolation in embryonated eggs or in Madin-Darby canine kidney (MDCK) cells and subsequent HA and neuraminidase subtyping by serological methods constitute the standard for avian influenza virus (AIV) detection and serological classification."

Many, many more references available using Google.



Second, you talk as if you know how this 'vaccine' will work, i.e. "it should lessen the symptoms". SHOULD being the operative word. Isn't that just handy-dandy and vague? So, line up for your "vaccinations", folks because it "should" "lessen the symptoms".
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

Talk to Dr. Robert Webster at St. Judes Children's Hospital in Memphis. That's what he says. And he should know, he has studied flu viruses for 40 years, and is one of the top flu virus experts in the world.

[link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com]
[link to wizbangblog.com]
I also have a link to a video presentation of Dr. Webster, however I can't find the link just yet, I'll keep looking.


You know what will make you immune to 'bird flu' (let's assume for a moment that it's a real thing)? What will make you immune is to come into contact with it and let your immune system do what it's meant to do. Then, you'll be immune.
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

I completely agree. However, I wouldn't suggest doing that. Do you know what the current Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is for H5N1 cases in Indonesia for 2008 ? It is about 84%. 84% of the people that contract H5N1 die. They die EVEN IF TREATED with anti-virals (Tamiflu). Without anti-virals and critical care, the CFR approaches 100%.

[link to www.cidrap.umn.edu]
"The case-fatality rate (CFR) rose from 65% in 2005 to 86.8% in 2007. However, Indonesian officials say the rate has declined so far in 2008. According to a report that appeared Aug 15 on the Web site of the health ministry's avian influenza committee, the CFR from January through July was 84.2%, based on the 19 cases and 16 deaths recognized by the nation (as of this writing, the World Health Organization has recognized 18 cases with 15 deaths)."


Thousands of people die in the US every year of non-bird flu. Many thousands more survive contact with the flu. More than anything, it boils down to your current state of physical health. Do you take care of yourself? Do you eat real food (not processed)? Get exercise, fresh air and ample rest?
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

I agree.


Remember folks, it's still the flu. Bird or not.
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

Absolutely, 100%, certifiably WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
YOU DO NOT KNNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You are completely ignorant on this.

[link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com]
"This virus right from scratch is probably the worst influenza virus, in terms of being highly pathogenic, that I've ever seen or worked with," Webster says. Not only is it frighteningly lethal to chickens, which can die within hours of exposure, swollen and hemorrhaging, but it kills mammals from lab mice to tigers with similar efficiency. Here and there people have come down with it too, catching it from infected poultry like the chickens that died on Ngoan's farm a few days before she fell ill. Half the known cases have died. "



What a bunch of garbage.

Looks like smoke and mirrors to me.
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

In your opinion.

How about providing some substantiating evidence to backup your claims.
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Remember folks, it's still the flu. Bird or not.


Absolutely, 100%, certifiably WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
YOU DO NOT KNNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You are completely ignorant on this
.


Look, dumbass,

it IS still the flu.

It isn't friggin' bird Ebola!

It's the Flu!

You're making me laugh with your stupidity.
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NOT SO. They are genome sequences, NOT some sort of inference.

You're now talking about a leap of faith.

What's wrong with good, old-fashioned viral isolation? Hmm?
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Do you still use a slide rule ?
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Remember folks, it's still the flu. Bird or not.


Absolutely, 100%, certifiably WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
YOU DO NOT KNNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You are completely ignorant on this
.


Look, dumbass,

it IS still the flu.

It isn't friggin' bird Ebola!

It's the Flu!

You're making me laugh with your stupidity.
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

The typical conspiracy nut response, call names, throw in some nonsensical gibberish and unrelated topics, don't provide evidence.

You FAIL bigtime buddy.
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Detection of H5 Avian Influenza Viruses by Antigen-Capture Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay Using H5-Specific Monoclonal Antibody
[link to www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov]
"The accurate and prompt diagnosis of H5N1 infection in birds is a critical component of a disease control plan. Currently, virus isolation in embryonated eggs or in Madin-Darby canine kidney (MDCK) cells and subsequent HA and neuraminidase subtyping by serological methods constitute the standard for avian influenza virus (AIV) detection and serological classification.
"


I see you no longer care about actual viral isolation now. To hell with the Pasteur Institute and actual, real viral isolation. Modern bullshit works just fine (especially when pharmaceutical companies stand to make a lot of money on phoney "pandemics").
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The typical conspiracy nut response, call names, throw in some nonsensical gibberish and unrelated topics, don't provide evidence.

You FAIL bigtime buddy


Look, pumpkin,

It's called bird flu, not bird Ebola, not bird pneumonia. It's STILL THE FLU!

Doofus!:)
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The typical conspiracy nut response, call names, throw in some nonsensical gibberish and unrelated topics, don't provide evidence.

You FAIL bigtime buddy


Look, pumpkin,

It's called bird flu, not bird Ebola, not bird pneumonia. It's STILL THE FLU!

Doofus!:)
 Quoting: Earth Muffin 272605

84% CFR is pretty darn close to Ebola.

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