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WARNING: Bond Market Collapse is Imminent: Get Ready

 
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Bond Market Collapse is Imminent



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By Adrian Douglas

[link to news.goldseek.com]

Imagine a country such as Venezuela announced that it was bailing out an investment bank, then just days later said it was nationalizing its mortgage industry, and then just days later that it was bailing out its biggest insurance company, and then just days later its government pledged 700B$ to inject into its failing banks, and then just days later its stock market fell 20%. Would you feel comfortable having your money invested in such a country, in its stock market, in its bond market or in its currency?

I hope you answered “No” or “Hell, No!” to the above question! So why should you feel any different about the situation if the country is called “America”? I am going to show you that the US Bond market is on the brink of collapse and with it will come the collapse of the currency, just as you would expect to be the outcome of such ridiculously inflationary policies in any other country.

Figure 1 US 10 Year Note Price and MFA

In figure 1 the 10 Year US Treasury Note price is shown in black. The Market Force Analysis (MFA) is shown in red. From 2000-2003 the MFA was rising and in a bull trend identified by the trend channel labeled “1”. The bond price was generally rising (falling yields). In late 2003 the MFA exited the channel and entered into a declining trend labeled “2”. The bond price as a consequence was falling (rising yields). In early 2007 the MFA fell rapidly and exited the lower side of the channel. This seemed to be signaling an imminent rapid decline of the bond price. But then in mid-2007 the first news broke of sub-prime mortgage problems. There was a sudden rush to “prime” and safe debt in the form of Government Treasury debt. The MFA did a reversal and entered into a new rising trend labeled “3” and the 10Y note commenced a strong bear market rally. In early 2008 the MFA exited this trend and has been tracking sidewards suggesting a topping process. Ominously the bond price has made a pronounced double top and is looking ripe for a collapse. As the stock market had its worst week in history the financial press reported on short term treasuries rallying as the initial reaction of investors was to rush into “safe haven” treasuries. The 10 year note tells a different story. It initially rallied on Monday October 6 to 118 but by the end of the worst week in stock market history it had fallen to 113.5. Hardly indicative of a safe haven play!

All the bailouts and “recapitalization” plans of the Treasury and the FED are highly inflationary and require issuing massive amounts of Treasury debt. The bond vigilantes are waking up. They are going to dump bonds like they have gone out of style. Bond prices will drop like a stone (as indicated by the black arrow in figure 1), general equities will drop more and the dollar will nose dive.

This highly inflationary scenario will make money rush into the tiny precious metals market and explode their prices due to paltry supply. The lack of supply of the metals will mean that money will have to spill into anything silver or gold such as the mining equities. Money will also flow back into commodities because the money leaving the bond market and the equities markets will be just too large to be accommodated anywhere else.

On Friday October 10 as the stock market selling intensified and 10 Year note prices were falling CNBC Rick Santelli was saying this was a sign the credit market freeze was easing! This was as the LIBOR-TED spread reached an all time high!

What is more likely is that bond holders were waking up to the certain hyperinflation coming as a consequence of the largesse of the government’s massive rescue plans.

Many analysts are incorrectly talking of deflation. Falling stock markets or falling housing markets do not contract the money supply. The government’s bailouts and “liquidity” injections on the other hand increase it. John Williams shows at shadowstats.com that the money supply is expanding at 14% and when the government guarantees all bank deposits and probably all interbank lending I can’t imagine what it will be!

Imagine that instead of living through this nightmare yourself you were watching this complete financial drama unfolding in Venezuela. Who in his right mind would predict that Venezuela would experience massive deflation as a result of creating massive amounts of money and credit out of thin air? So why is it different for America? The laws of economics are not country specific.

Because the Cartel hit gold and silver in the middle of the night on Thursday October 9 many started invoking deflation theories. This is nonsensical and the bond market is about to confirm it!

We have seen the mega-shorts on TOCOM reduce their shorts in gold and silver to next to zero. They know what is going to happen to the prices of precious metals!

Many investors are starting to think that after this stock market rout and with a G7 package things will begin to improve. That is not the way things work! 20 years of excesses with even more monetary excesses about to be heaped upon us as a “rescue package” do not get unwound in 5 days. This is just the beginning. The bond market is the biggest market in the world (if we ignore the ridiculous, unregulated casino peddling OTC derivatives!). When the bond market heads south the money that has to find a safe haven somewhere else is in the trillions. Just a small percentage of this capital will blow the precious metals to unimaginable levels.

The authorities keep saying that they will “use all tools available to them”. They only have one…it’s an electronic version of the printing press. They will spin it in many different ways using jargon like “increased liquidity” and “injection of capital” and “buying equity stakes” and “buying toxic debt” but it all translates to “create more money out of thin air”. Gold and silver and the mining equities will be the place to be and soon thereafter commodities in general.

Clarity will come when the metals reach new highs and at that point a child of six will be able to say where to invest. Of course, that is the greatest incentive for the Gold cartel to prevent new highs being achieved! But new highs are already being achieved in the retail market and on e-bay. The silly manipulation on the COMEX will soon end. You can help it end if you buy a contract and stand for delivery or buy gold and silver through goldmoney.com.

Adrian Douglas

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It could happen sometime this week. I'm hearin things that I don't like.
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This week, the next, who knows? But credit card debt is unwinding, bonds, commercial real estate, liquidity, letters of credit, derivatives, no trust, no confidence ....

I've read there's over a quadrillion dollars' nominal worth of derivatives of all sorts. Worth from 5% to 90% of nominal valuation. I just can't see how a true crash can be prevented.

Some days I find it hard to believe what I'm seeing, but there it is....

Just didn't expect to live long enough to see it, and almost regret that I have.

What a mess! It's out of control, IMO.

hayseed
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"The authorities keep saying that they will “use all tools available to them”. They only have one…it’s an electronic version of the printing press. They will spin it in many different ways using jargon like “increased liquidity” and “injection of capital” and “buying equity stakes” and “buying toxic debt” but it all translates to “create more money out of thin air”. Gold and silver and the mining equities will be the place to be and soon thereafter commodities in general."

Inflation or Biflation is definitely gonna do us in if history repeats itself.
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Le boompe' bump
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Wouldn't inflation-linked bonds still be OK?

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This should be pinned.
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This week, the next, who knows? But credit card debt is unwinding, bonds, commercial real estate, liquidity, letters of credit, derivatives, no trust, no confidence ....

I've read there's over a quadrillion dollars' nominal worth of derivatives of all sorts. Worth from 5% to 90% of nominal valuation. I just can't see how a true crash can be prevented.

Some days I find it hard to believe what I'm seeing, but there it is....

Just didn't expect to live long enough to see it, and almost regret that I have.

What a mess! It's out of control, IMO.

hayseed
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It is more than just a crash, that would be bad enough, it is complete destruction of world financing.
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Bond market might be easier to handle.

Call in the shorter term notes and reissue at 20 or 30 yrs at 5-6%
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the short term gas price reduction is a lame attempt to offset inflation at the retail level

how long do you all think that will last
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Okay, what happens if the bond market collapses? What are the effedts? I don't know anything about that market.
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Muni Bonds aren't selling either:


Munis Slide, Prompting Deal Delays; California Presses Ahead
By Jeremy R. Cooke

Oct. 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. municipal bonds slid, deepening the tax-exempt market's worst rout in at least two decades and prompting another round of delays for long-term debt offerings from Massachusetts to Ohio.

California is pressing ahead with a $4 billion sale of short-term notes, offering preliminary yields as high as 4.5 percent on debt due next June. At least four other deals larger than $200 million, including sales by Ohio and the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, were postponed, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

``As I understand, we are on hold along with most other large new primary market issuances,'' said Larry Scurlock, assistant debt manager for Ohio.

Issuers are struggling to thaw a freeze in the municipal market that has quashed borrowing since mid-September as mutual funds and other institutional investors sell holdings to raise cash and meet redemptions at a time of weak demand and tight credit.

Tax-exempt bonds have lost almost 8 percent so far this year, accounting for price swings and interest income, heading for their worst annual performance since Merrill Lynch & Co. started the total-return Municipal Master Index in 1989.

Yields on top-rated 30-year general obligation bonds began the week at 5.71 percent, the highest this decade, based on a daily index compiled by Municipal Market Advisors.

Municipal issuers sold only $4 billion in fixed-rate bonds the past three weeks combined, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That's down from a weekly average of more than $6 billion for the year through Sept. 12.

`Jaw Dropping'

Recent price declines have been ``jaw dropping,'' said Tony Shields, senior vice president at securities firm Grigsby & Associates in New York, in an e-mail.

On Oct. 10, Shields said, he sold some California bonds due in 2026 at a price to yield 5.75 percent, and a half hour later similar bonds traded at 6.15 percent.

``Bids are getting cheaper and getting hit, but long retail interest is spotty and not very aggressive,'' Shields said.

California general obligation bonds set to mature in 30 years traded at prices as low as 84.3 cents on the dollar today to yield 6.45 percent, according to data reported to the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board. That's almost 5 cents lower in price and almost 0.4 percentage point higher in yield than a trade Oct. 9.

U.S. municipal borrowers had been planning the most debt sales in five weeks, before the latest postponements.

On Hold

Ohio was to sell $375 million of bonds backed by federal highway aid, and the Massachusetts authority planned to sell $350 million of bonds payable from assessments on 175 towns served by its subway, bus and rail network around Boston.

``Our bond sale has been postponed, and the earliest that it would go would be next week,'' said Jonathan Davis, chief financial officer of the transportation agency. ``We do have time to wait, so there's no major urgency, but we would like to get out in the next few weeks.''

The municipal slump has been exacerbated by a tax rule that means more securities may be taxed as ordinary income as buyers pay deep discounts to face value, said Matt Fabian, managing director at Municipal Market Advisors, in a report today.

The so-called de minimus rule permits investors to treat the accrued rise in bond principal value as a capital gain when the discount is less than 0.25 percent per year to maturity, or 5 cents on a 20-year bond. When yields rise and the discounts on existing bonds get deeper than the de minimus level, higher ordinary-income tax rates apply, further eroding their value.

``This `popping out' was largely accountable for the steep selloff last Thursday and Friday,'' Fabian said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jeremy R. Cooke in New York at [email protected].
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This is deleveraging on a grand scale. This economy has become leveraged to the hilt, and with the addition of derivatives (countless trillions)... it's become outright insane.

What led us to this? The loss of a manufacturing base, combined with peak oil. We'd have never had to rely on derivatives to pump up the economy (bubbles) had we not lost our main source of national income (manufacturing). The final blow was when global oil production peaked/plateaued in 2005 and the final bubble of housing was popped.

We had a similar oil shortfall induced deep recession in 1980-1983, but we still had a substantial manufacturing base, and weren't nearly as leveraged. That recession was severe... this one will be significantly worse.
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This is deleveraging on a grand scale. This economy has become leveraged to the hilt, and with the addition of derivatives (countless trillions)... it's become outright insane.

What led us to this? The loss of a manufacturing base, combined with peak oil. We'd have never had to rely on derivatives to pump up the economy (bubbles) had we not lost our main source of national income (manufacturing). The final blow was when global oil production peaked/plateaued in 2005 and the final bubble of housing was popped.

We had a similar oil shortfall induced deep recession in 1980-1983, but we still had a substantial manufacturing base, and weren't nearly as leveraged. That recession was severe... this one will be significantly worse.
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Yeah, I know. Whenever I hear the greenies talk about "service -based economy", I want to explode. You can't feed and shelter 300 million people with such a thing. And how does it help the enviornment exactly? You just move the manufacturing polution to poor countries who are ill equipped to regulate it. There wouldn't have been any oil shortfall if we had been exploring alternative energies back in the 70's like Brazil......who is now energy independent. Not that ethanol is our answer.....but no one has been asking the question for 30 years......because that's the way OPEC wanted it.
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"The authorities keep saying that they will “use all tools available to them”. They only have one…it’s an electronic version of the printing press. They will spin it in many different ways using jargon like “increased liquidity” and “injection of capital” and “buying equity stakes” and “buying toxic debt” but it all translates to “create more money out of thin air”. Gold and silver and the mining equities will be the place to be and soon thereafter commodities in general."

Inflation or Biflation is definitely gonna do us in if history repeats itself.
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They can always hit the "reset" button, and cancel all those derivative debts. Considering how a quadrilion dollars would be pretty hard to pay off no matter what they did.

Also considering how all those deriviatives were pretty much based on nothing to begin with.
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1. Bailout succeeds, hyperinflation ensues, everyone loses their pension, we're fucked.
2. Bailout fails, market crashes, money supply dries up, everyone loses their pension, deflation and depression ensue, we're fucked.
Bottom line?
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We're screwed!
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They can always hit the "reset" button, and cancel all those derivative debts. Considering how a quadrilion dollars would be pretty hard to pay off no matter what they did.

Also considering how all those deriviatives were pretty much based on nothing to begin with.
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The problem is, all the financial institutions, hedge funds and banks want to keep that shadow market going. They like making money the easy way. How do you think they were able to take all the sub-prime, bad credit risks since 1999? They never figured any big boys would go down. Also, without derivatives, banking in UK would cease to exist. They have NO economy whatsoever since they joined the EU.
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They can always hit the "reset" button, and cancel all those derivative debts. Considering how a quadrilion dollars would be pretty hard to pay off no matter what they did.

Also considering how all those deriviatives were pretty much based on nothing to begin with.


The problem is, all the financial institutions, hedge funds and banks want to keep that shadow market going. They like making money the easy way. How do you think they were able to take all the sub-prime, bad credit risks since 1999? They never figured any big boys would go down. Also, without derivatives, banking in UK would cease to exist. They have NO economy whatsoever since they joined the EU.
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So the bottom line is, unless those space aliens show up toot sweet, bringing hundreds of tons of rubys and gold with them as love offerings to the Gods of Wall Street, we're screwed!
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Thank You! finally someone who is thinking!! We are being blinded by our love for our country - and losing it to those who PRETEND to love our country - at our expense.... mmmm... reminds me of the origins of what made us americans ! Lack of representation - the ammassing of wealth at our expense - the belief that we could do better without the "so called - protection" of the big powerful king - george.... ? What are we afraid of? I say another tea party - another declaration of Independance from the low-lifes that feed off our hard work and tax us into oblivion, and then make us bail out the most irresponsible, rich and abusive group of individuals on the planet, and then question our patriotism when we are not "on board", and then jail us if we refuse??? This is NOT the America I know. I for one am SICK of this. We have been taken over.
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what happens if / when the bond market collapses?
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Thank You! finally someone who is thinking!! We are being blinded by our love for our country - and losing it to those who PRETEND to love our country - at our expense.... mmmm... reminds me of the origins of what made us americans ! Lack of representation - the ammassing of wealth at our expense - the belief that we could do better without the "so called - protection" of the big powerful king - george.... ? What are we afraid of? I say another tea party - another declaration of Independance from the low-lifes that feed off our hard work and tax us into oblivion, and then make us bail out the most irresponsible, rich and abusive group of individuals on the planet, and then question our patriotism when we are not "on board", and then jail us if we refuse??? This is NOT the America I know. I for one am SICK of this. We have been taken over.
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The problem is 50% of the population can be "paid off" (through entitlements, govt. jobs and the like) and only 50% would participate in the "revolution". Those aren't good odds. The only upside I can see is that a good part of the armed forces, not the Pentagon pencil-pushers, but the grunts on the ground, would be on our side. Lot of the armed forces folks fell really screwed by the recent oil war, from what I hear.
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what happens if / when the bond market collapses?
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Govt. defaults, munincipalities and states default. IMF and foreign govt.s up our ass. Assets seized overseas. No incoming goods or oil. Canada will still trade, so would Mexico. We could ride it out but China's reaction could be catastrophic. We owe them 3 trillion. They won't be happy.





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