chemtrails are nothing but an internet myth that is perpetuated in lunatic fringe web sites.
They have been debunked to friggen death and are now a dead horse.
Please, PLEASE, come up with some new BS for us to debunk as so-called chemtrails are really starting to stink from decomposure!!
Quoting: G. House
You have made a mockery of the chemtrail truth. It could not be more obvious that you're a shadow government shill. Do a chemtrail search on the internet and you will see tons of hits so it could not be more true. Stop lying to everyone about the truth!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519281 10/15/2008 12:36 AM
You have made a mockery of the chemtrail truth. It could not be more obvious that you're a shadow government shill. Do a chemtrail search on the internet and you will see tons of hits so it could not be more true. Stop lying to everyone about the truth!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 509197
The results of a search on "chemtrail" only proves the existence of the myth, and how pervasive it is. It shows nothing of its veracity.
Try a search for "contrail" with "saturation with respect to ice". That will reveal some truth.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 525542 10/15/2008 12:37 AM
You have made a mockery of the chemtrail truth. It could not be more obvious that you're a shadow government shill. Do a chemtrail search on the internet and you will see tons of hits so it could not be more true. Stop lying to everyone about the truth!
The results of a search on "chemtrail" only proves the existence of the myth, and how pervasive it is. It shows nothing of its veracity.
Try a search for "contrail" with "saturation with respect to ice". That will reveal some truth.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 519281
Contrails have become the true myth.
Once a shill, always a shill User ID: 493056 10/15/2008 12:40 AM
I didn't read six pages of this thread. However, I would like to say that over the last week there is a strange smell in the air.
Chemtrails? Contrails? Neither? Who knows, but it is also in the water...many people here have noticed it. you're not the only one who thinks I don't know what I'm doing.
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 6:22 AM
Has there been even one test of a "chemtrail" that showed anything other than ice and jet exhaust? Even one? He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 6:27 AM
You have made a mockery of the chemtrail truth. It could not be more obvious that you're a shadow government shill. Do a chemtrail search on the internet and you will see tons of hits so it could not be more true. Stop lying to everyone about the truth!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 509197
Eight hundred years ago everyone in Europe who wasn't a Jew or Muslim believed that disease was caused by spirits, and the only way to keep yourself healthy was to stink enough that the spirits would stay away. Was this the truth, since so many people believed it? He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 511332 10/15/2008 12:14 PM
OP pretends there is no evidence when there is plenty. Chemtrails are admitted and proven.
OP, you are a very immoral person. you cover up 911 too. when your kids are sick or dead it will be your fault, you sick scumbag. enjoy your DU laced chemtrails. they go good with the cell phone radiation.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 527177 10/15/2008 4:33 PM
A changing climate of opinion?
From The Economist print edition Some scientists think climate change needs a more radical approach. As well as trying to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, they have plans to re-engineer the Earth
A changing climate of opinion?
From The Economist print edition Some scientists think climate change needs a more radical approach. As well as trying to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, they have plans to re-engineer the Earth
Poorly researched and inaccurate, especially this bit...
"When civilian flights over the United States stopped in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 2001, the lack of sulphur-laden contrails led to a perceptible rise in temperature."
The article is mostly about tinkering with the ocean.
All the time and effort thay you, Guy, G.House and others spend debunking, what you say do not exist, is proof of the chemtrails and the importance someone or something attributes to them, and an uninterrupted operation!! There are lies, damned lies and 9-11!
[link to bryce2-2u.freeservers.com]
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 5:56 PM
what a sick person you are. you are a bad liar. no one believes you shithead
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 520156
Believes what? I have made no claim on this thread, except that all the physical evidence points to so-called "chemtrails" being a form of contrail. If you want another claim, they're also a form of cirrus cloud.
Is there evidence of anything else? He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 527177 10/15/2008 6:00 PM
A changing climate of opinion?
From The Economist print edition Some scientists think climate change needs a more radical approach. As well as trying to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, they have plans to re-engineer the Earth
Poorly researched and inaccurate, especially this bit...
"When civilian flights over the United States stopped in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 2001, the lack of sulphur-laden contrails led to a perceptible rise in temperature."
The article is mostly about tinkering with the ocean.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11632
But not all about tinkering with the ocean.
To offset the rise in temperature expected by the middle of the century if things carry on as they are, the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface would have to be cut by just 1.1%. That is still a lot of energy in absolute terms, but the sums suggest it is within reach. It would require the addition of about 10m tonnes of finely divided sulphate particles to the stratosphere each year. These could be sprayed out of special aircraft-borne injectors, or produced by burning high-sulphur aviation fuel.
If aviation fuel were used in this way, and was 5% sulphur (between ten and 100 times today’s levels), it would require 1m flights a year to the middle of the stratosphere (between 15km and 25km up), assuming an average flight was four hours. Those flights alone would use up half as much fuel as civil aviation now consumes. However, you could achieve part of the effect by making civil aviation use dirty, high-sulphur fuel. It would not be a perfect solution. Civilian jets cruise at an altitude of 10km, the bottom of the stratosphere, and any sulphate they released would thus fall to earth faster. But it would be a lot cheaper than flying 1m special missions.
Besides polluting the stratosphere, there is another way of changing the atmosphere to make it more reflective. This is to tinker with cloud cover. One person working on this idea is Stephen Salter, a marine engineer at the University of Edinburgh best known for seeking to replace fossil fuels with Salter’s duck, a device for turning ocean waves into electricity. He has also been working on the geo-engineering end of climate change.
Dr Salter and his colleague at Edinburgh, Graham Sortino, together with John Latham, one of Dr Rasch’s colleagues at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, have been looking into how clouds might be made more reflective. Their answer is to spray them with seawater. Particles of salt formed by the evaporation of ocean spray act as nuclei around which the droplets of water that form clouds can condense. Increasing the number of particles increases the number of droplets. That does not change the total amount of cloud (which is controlled by the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere). But having more, smaller droplets does increase a cloud’s reflectivity.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 527177 10/15/2008 6:05 PM
A changing climate of opinion?
From The Economist print edition Some scientists think climate change needs a more radical approach. As well as trying to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, they have plans to re-engineer the Earth
Poorly researched and inaccurate, especially this bit...
"When civilian flights over the United States stopped in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 2001, the lack of sulphur-laden contrails led to a perceptible rise in temperature."
The article is mostly about tinkering with the ocean.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11632
Ps, which part of the above is inaccurate....the sulphar part?
And if you are so knowledgeable about the subject of geoengineering, you might as well point out the rest of the inaccuracies for us.
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 6:07 PM
OP pretends there is no evidence when there is plenty. Chemtrails are admitted and proven.
OP, you are a very immoral person. you cover up 911 too. when your kids are sick or dead it will be your fault, you sick scumbag. enjoy your DU laced chemtrails. they go good with the cell phone radiation.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 520156
I grew up in NC, but pretend I'm from Missouri. Show me. Here's another claim: You can't. There is no evidence. All there is to support "chemtrails" is videos of contrails, propaganda websites that also don't post verifiable evidence, some patents that may or may not have been used, and a House bill that claims "chemtrails" exist above 60km.
I don't talk about 9/11 because I don't find the subject interesting. How is that a coverup?
I have very fine morals, thank you very much. I at least take some responsibility and research things before I comment, which is another reason I don't discuss 9/11.
My kids are supremely healthy, as am I. My wife is pretty sick, but we expect that to end with the first trimester. Thank you for your concern about my family's health.
DU in "chemtrails" huh? I haven't heard that one before. If it were so, my cellphone wouldn't work, you know. Neither would radio or anything that uses satellites. He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 6:09 PM
All the time and effort thay you, Guy, G.House and others spend debunking, what you say do not exist, is proof of the chemtrails and the importance someone or something attributes to them, and an uninterrupted operation!!
Quoting: Da Swede
If you believe that, then you'll believe anything.
By the way, my left nipple is most definitely not a portal to another dimension.
Do you believe that? He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 526440 10/15/2008 6:15 PM
"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity. See "The Guy".
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 6:22 PM
"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity. See "The Guy".
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526440
How does either use describe me? I'm only pointing out the lack of evidence for "chemtrails." He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
The Guy Are you sure you want to know? User ID: 349666 10/15/2008 7:18 PM
I found studies in which samples were taken from within persistent contrails. Here ya go:
"This study examines how jet aircraft contrails develop precipitation trails, using data collected on 12 May, 1996 during SUCCESS. The DC-8 sampled the precontrail conditions, produced a contrail largely in clear air at -52°C, and sampled the contrail and developing trails for over an hour. The environment was highly ice-supersaturated, reaching nearly water saturation in some locations. Inside the contrail core, almost all ice particles remained small (∼ 1 to 10 μm) due to high crystal concentrations (∼ 101 to 102 cm-3) which reduced the vapor density to saturation. Mixing of moist environmental air and vapor-depleted contrail air produced localized regions of supersaturation along the contrail periphery, where crystals grew to several hundred microns at about 0.1 μm s-1. These particles could then fall from the contrail into the vapor-rich, undepleted, supersaturated environment below. As heavier crystals left the contrail, others moved into the regions of ice supersaturation. Precipitation trails developed as this process continued over time."
[link to cat.inist.fr]
This one will help people who are confused by the term "radiative forcing."
[link to pdf.aiaa.org]
"Cirrus clouds form naturally when physical conditions are right, and their formation is accelerated
when anthropogenic aerosols have been injected to the upper troposphere. Airplanes´ plumes for
example, contain large amounts of soot that serve as nuclei for ice crystallization. Condensation trails
(or: contrails) that are formed in the wake of high-altitude jets are basically man-made cirrus clouds
that can spread out with the winds to cover more than several thousand square kilometers in just a
few hours."
[link to www.wmo.ch]
Those were all on the first page of results from Googling "supersaturation over ice contrails." He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
Our sky is changing, do you see it ?
chemtrails and chembows,
multi-coloured clouds and strange effects,
things you've never seen before are common,
you'll get used to them...
So when the planes come to spray you for real,
you wont even notice.
are the politicians 'public servants' ?
or are you a 'servant public' ?
your silence is taken as consent,
your trust is seen as acquiescence,
they treat you like cattle,
you are their slaves,
you are free to do anything as long as it benifits them,
wake up and see how you're enslaved !
Music
'Soldier of the truth' and 'Wood cut' by James Sanger
I found studies in which samples were taken from within persistent contrails. Here ya go:
"This study examines how jet aircraft contrails develop precipitation trails, using data collected on 12 May, 1996 during SUCCESS. The DC-8 sampled the precontrail conditions, produced a contrail largely in clear air at -52°C, and sampled the contrail and developing trails for over an hour. The environment was highly ice-supersaturated, reaching nearly water saturation in some locations. Inside the contrail core, almost all ice particles remained small (∼ 1 to 10 μm) due to high crystal concentrations (∼ 101 to 102 cm-3) which reduced the vapor density to saturation. Mixing of moist environmental air and vapor-depleted contrail air produced localized regions of supersaturation along the contrail periphery, where crystals grew to several hundred microns at about 0.1 μm s-1. These particles could then fall from the contrail into the vapor-rich, undepleted, supersaturated environment below. As heavier crystals left the contrail, others moved into the regions of ice supersaturation. Precipitation trails developed as this process continued over time."
[link to cat.inist.fr]
This one will help people who are confused by the term "radiative forcing."
[link to pdf.aiaa.org]
"Cirrus clouds form naturally when physical conditions are right, and their formation is accelerated
when anthropogenic aerosols have been injected to the upper troposphere. Airplanes´ plumes for
example, contain large amounts of soot that serve as nuclei for ice crystallization. Condensation trails
(or: contrails) that are formed in the wake of high-altitude jets are basically man-made cirrus clouds
that can spread out with the winds to cover more than several thousand square kilometers in just a
few hours."
[link to www.wmo.ch]
Those were all on the first page of results from Googling "supersaturation over ice contrails."
Quoting: The Guy
So what, all this proves is that persistent contrails exist, but we all knew that anyway.
i have some pictures i took of some low level spraying over my neighborhood and i sent them to all of the local media outlets..no response from any of them.
if i can find them i'll post them
Quoting: Skipper
The news media here told us they are not allowed to say anything about chemtrails. Why do they only spray over population, and spend all day going back and forth, back and forth?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 500644 10/16/2008 2:09 AM
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