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Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food
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How much? And what?
User ID: 368888
10/14/2008 10:43 PM
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I have a pantry of items I currently eat. Put new stuff in back and use up old as I go.
People on GLP keep saying to keep one year of food.
What are people keeping that they can determine would be one year's worth?
Boxes of pasta, bags of rice and beans, or 100 cans of chili beans? What quantities are you saving and what are you stocking up on in pantry that you believe will get you through one year?
Thanks. (I'll check back tomorrow). |
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mercury2
User ID: 470143
10/14/2008 10:56 PM
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You are smart to keep a pantry stocked. I sure haven't ever tried to approach anything like a year's worth. But I suppose I could go three months with no outside input on what I have here, if I was very careful. I haven't really done the math.
I was just going through a lot of it and reorganizing it. I have about 30 cans of tomatoes, 50 cans of vegetables, 5 pounds of various dried vegetables (goes farther than you think), 5 pounds of various dried fruit, 5 pounds of nuts, 30 pounds of rice, 20 pounds of beans and lentils, 12 cans of beans, 8 cans of salmon, 3 bottles of lemon juice, one big bottle of vinegar, one big bottle of soy sauce, several quarts of olive oil, several bottles of coconut oil, 4 pounds of tea, various pickles and olives, etc.
I have a lot of cat food, more than I thought I did, both canned and dry.
I have about 15 gallons of water, maybe a little more.
I have a stove and 7 small bottles of coleman propane. My regular kitchen stove is gas, so possibly if the electricity was out, I could still cook. But maybe not.
I have herbs for herb tea, I have vitamins, supplements, and natural medicines. I have a Stanley Thermos. I have about 4 pounds of honey and some molasses. It was a lot of stuff to figure out how to deal with and where to store etc.
I have tons of spices too. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368888 (OP)
10/14/2008 11:05 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Wow, you have lots of rice and beans. I have some, but not that much. I need to add vitamins, salmon, and honey to my pantry.
This website recommends:
400 lbs of grains per person for one year.
60 lbs of dry beans
16 lbs of powdered milk
60 lb of honey or sugar
Cooking oil 10 quarts
Salt 8 lbs
Water
Grains can be wheat, rice, corn, oats, spaghetti.
Who buys powdered milk?
[link to www.providentliving.org] |
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floydian slip
User ID: 1338
10/14/2008 11:09 PM
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powdered milk is awful
it comes in handy if you are out of milk and you want to make a white russian tho.
make sure you have a hand operated can opener ;) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 501718
10/14/2008 11:11 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Purchase of freeze dried foods. They last up to 25 years in storage.
May not like the food for everyday but one day soon it may not be our average "everyday".
I got my stuff from a company called Provident Pantry and Mountain Home. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 460182
10/14/2008 11:36 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
I buy apples on sale and dry them on a small home fruit dryer. Doesn't take up that much room. I have apple slices for months. Toss a mint tea bag into the storage container for moisture control and to give them a nice scent. It can be any flavor of herb tea bag that you like. Black tea bags might also work, but I've never tried them.
My mother bakes her own bread. She buys the small 10 lb bags of flour, cuts a small slit in it, puts a couple of bay leaves inside the slit, between the flour and the paper, and tapes the slit closed. Stored in a cool dry area, it keeps for months, no bug problems. She's got 70 lbs of flour stashed in her pantry right now.
Go to the dollar store. Canned soups, boxed/bagged crackers and meal mixes, noodles, canned tomato sauce, dry beans of all types and kinds, pickled anything... The list is endless.
Always this caveat though...if you don't eat it now, you won't eat it in an emergency. 'nuff said.
Certain things from long term food stores, expensive but tasty and very handy to have for baking: freeze dried cheese powder, freeze dried butter powder, freeze dried egg powder (whole eggs, not that icky egg-whites stuff). If you can afford it, get a couple of cans of each one. It goes a long way when used wisely.
Add a little mashed potato powder to a stew to thicken it up and add a nice flavor.
Don't waste your money on freeze dried meats. They're too expensive and you can't cook them soft. It's like eating diced shoe leather. Long term storage cans of dried veggies would serve you better and be more nutritious in the long run. (If you can afford them, pricey I know.)
Get yourself a dutch oven, the best one you can afford, made out of cast iron. You can cook your food indoors or out. Make sure it has a tight-fitting lid. Keeps the cooking odors to a minimum. (Keep the heat low, though, or your meal will end up boiling over the sides of the pot.)
I don't know how much space you have, but read up on growing your own sprouts. Nutritious and fresh.
 Good luck. |
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floydian slip
User ID: 1338
10/14/2008 11:37 PM
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Purchase of freeze dried foods. They last up to 25 years in storage.
May not like the food for everyday but one day soon it may not be our average "everyday".
I got my stuff from a company called Provident Pantry and Mountain Home. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 501718
Have you tried it yet? |
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himself
User ID: 487931
10/15/2008 12:28 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
In extremis/ even yard grass and tree bark is edible.
nobody need ever starve.
MRE's
Canned meat
more canned meat
canned fish
foil packed alaskan smoked salmon, tuna
Beans, many types, dried and bagged, bought in bulk and
stored in vacuum packed jars at home.
"Pump-n-Seal" hand vacuum pump and gas checks, let's me use supermarket vacuum pack jars over and over btw.
Starch/grains: rice and wheat, millet, rye, oats, pasta
Dwarf fruit trees in yards
Fruit cocktail tree peach plum apricot nectarine all from one 10'tall tree.
Got several.
Apple & Pear, 5/on/1 dwarf also
Berries growing on vines which climb hedges of roses.
Other veggies growing at borders and in raised plots.
Strawberries, onions, sweet potatoes, etc. mostly planted from overipe supermarket produce under hedges and around house at edges of yard.
eg: I throw overipe cherry tomatoes under hedges and the vines climb hedges, plant sprouted potatoes/sweet potatoes at edge of hedges (past mowing line)
Bananna/plantain orange/satsuma beside house.
House is next to a river.
Bought to park my boat behind, but tidewater with both fresh and saltwater
Fish, shrimp, crabs, eels, turtles,
cattails and waterlilies growing in boat slip
bamboo (yes it is edible)
Dwarf citrus, sweet potatoes & herbs growing inside house.
(in room w/lots of windows)
Each year, I have homegrown surplus to feed to animals or give to neighbors.
Gonna learn to use pressurecookers and can next year. |
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Gradient 
Not of this world
User ID: 464137
10/15/2008 12:33 AM
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I know it gets old, but I gotta tell ya that ranch style can beans are one of the best things that you can get....stays good for YEARS, and it has a perfect balance of fat, protein, and carbs. It is also about the cheapest thing that you can get.
*Side note, it is canned with lots of water as well.
They look like this...pick up a couple every time you go to the market and you can amass many...
[link to img530.imageshack.us]
I bet Evil Twin and Omega would back me on this :)
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the hermit
User ID: 526366
10/15/2008 12:44 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Consider adding 5 grams of sprulina per day to fortify your immune system with the essential immune nutrients, which most long-term storage foods lack.
Explained on pages 24 to 28 of this free ebook at [link to www.scribd.com] |
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himself
User ID: 487931
10/15/2008 12:51 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
powdered milk is awful
it comes in handy if you are out of milk and you want to make a white russian tho.
make sure you have a hand operated can opener ;)
A can of condensed milk and a quart of powdered milk makes for a good blend. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526555
10/15/2008 12:52 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
I know it gets old, but I gotta tell ya that ranch style can beans are one of the best things that you can get....stays good for YEARS, and it has a perfect balance of fat, protein, and carbs. It is also about the cheapest thing that you can get.
*Side note, it is canned with lost of water as well.
They look like this...pick up a couple every time you go to the market and you can amass many...
[ link to img530.imageshack.us]
I bet Evil Twin and Omega would back me on this :)
Mmm, yea, love those beans. I also stocked up on those 1 lb. canned Danish hams when they were on sale to add to beans, rice, pasta, etc. They have a long shelf life.
Have been canning & drying many foods. You can can cheese, butter and all kinds of things. Of the dried foods the tomatoes, apples, onions are all tasty. But you can dry just about anything also. |
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Redheaded Stepchild
User ID: 493346
10/15/2008 12:55 AM
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powdered milk is awful
it comes in handy if you are out of milk and you want to make a white russian tho.
make sure you have a hand operated can opener ;)
If powdered milk is mixed in advance, and then chilled, it's less awful. LOL! We add a drop or two of real vanilla flavoring before we chill it, and that helps some.
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Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.
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Enigma
User ID: 502451
10/15/2008 1:04 AM
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Consider adding 5 grams of sprulina per day to fortify your immune system with the essential immune nutrients, which most long-term storage foods lack.
Explained on pages 24 to 28 of this free ebook at [ link to www.scribd.com]
and wheat grass sprouts...
alfalfa
mung bean
wheat
flax
most anything can be sprouted...
corn ( what you do to make mash )
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/15/2008 10:42 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526812
10/15/2008 10:48 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Useful info bump |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/15/2008 10:50 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
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10/15/2008 10:51 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 512264
10/15/2008 10:53 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 512264
Sorry it won't direct link! After opening the above link click food storage then click lds calculator |
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Enjoying Beauty in the World
User ID: 500463
10/15/2008 10:57 AM
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I know it gets old, but I gotta tell ya that ranch style can beans are one of the best things that you can get....stays good for YEARS, and it has a perfect balance of fat, protein, and carbs. It is also about the cheapest thing that you can get.
*Side note, it is canned with lots of water as well.
They look like this...pick up a couple every time you go to the market and you can amass many...
[ link to img530.imageshack.us]
I bet Evil Twin and Omega would back me on this :)
Thanks for reminding me. I liked them years ago and haven't thought of them in ages. I will buy some today. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 506402
10/15/2008 11:09 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
I really hope I never have to eat tree bark to survive. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296863
10/15/2008 11:11 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
365 cans of Spaghettios with meatballs
365 cans of Spaghettios with Franks
365 cans of Spaghettios without meat
Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner. Set |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495603
10/15/2008 11:35 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Tracking food requirements can get complicated, but here's my understanding:
First, determine the total amount of calories you want to consume in a day. I use 2000 as a baseline.
Second, make a note of the calorie content of your foods on hand and the foods you want to eat per serving, per meal, per day, per week, and per month. For instance one standard serving of pinto beans is 1/4 cup of dry beans, and has 90 calories. And one serving of long grain white rice is 1/4 cup dry rice that has 160 calories. Their packages show this information. If you want to use a two serving portion, double the figures.
So if you break down the calorie content of each serving of all your foods, then you will be able to calculate calories per meal (build a set of approximate daily menus) and total calories per day, per week, per month, and then per year.
When determining how much food to store, you'll have to convert the number of needed servings to needed pounds of dry food, and this differs from one food to another. For instance, a small 2lb. bag of dry pinto beans says it contains 26 (1/4 dry cup) servings. This info. is on the package. And a 1lb 10.7oz (26.7oz) box of instant dried potato flakes says it contains 40 (1/3 dry cup) servings.
So using a baseline per day calorie target (I use the lower end USRDA number of 2000) divided by the number of meals you plan on having in a day, will give you the amount of calories you need per meal.
Using the dry foods' recommended serving size on the label, you can determine how many calories each serving of the types of food that you want to eat in a meal will provide you. Then adjust the number of food items and servings per meal that you need to achieve your target calories per meal.
You can then build different menus to accommodate your needed calories per meal. Once you have your per meal calories calculated for each meal on your menu, then you can calculate your per day total calories needed, your per week total calories needed, and your per month total calories needed. Your menus should be diverse and achieve the needed calorie content per meal.
Now that calories are taken care of, you need to do the same calculations with needed protein grams per day. I'm not really sure how many grams of protein we need in a day, although I think it might be in the neighborhood of about 67 grams per day for the average male adult.
And it's important to understand that we need balanced proteins to survive. That means a good mixture of different amino acids must be consumed in each meal. Meat, dairy, bee pollen, Spirulina algae, Chlorella algae, and nutritional yeast are already balanced, but most other foods are not. The general rule of thumb is to mix grains with legumes in the same meal in order to achieve this critical balance if the above balanced proteins are not desired or available.
Of course, our total diet requirements include a complex array of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fats, fiber, etc., so it's important to include the most nutritious foods you can with as much variety as possible into your daily diet in order to try to achieve your nutritional requirements. So a good multi-vitamin should be included to ensure that all your bases are covered. |
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AmazingLarry
User ID: 526889
10/15/2008 11:36 AM
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I have a pantry of items I currently eat. Put new stuff in back and use up old as I go.
People on GLP keep saying to keep one year of food.
What are people keeping that they can determine would be one year's worth?
Boxes of pasta, bags of rice and beans, or 100 cans of chili beans? What quantities are you saving and what are you stocking up on in pantry that you believe will get you through one year?
Thanks. (I'll check back tomorrow). Quoting: How much? And what? 368888
My wife and i have been buying about 20-30 dollars of canned food and non-perishables for the last month and a half and from the looks of it there's already a few months of food.
"America's healthcare system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system." - Walter Cronkite |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526930
10/15/2008 11:46 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
My wife and i have been buying about 20-30 dollars of canned food and non-perishables for the last month and a half and from the looks of it there's already a few months of food. Quoting: AmazingLarry
Good advice IMHO
I buy twice what I plan to use and store the excess.
Builds up a year's reserve in a few months without hurting the budget as much as all at once.
Check expiration dates on cans in the market!
Farthest away date is best for pantry. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514097
10/15/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
powdered milk is awful
it comes in handy if you are out of milk and you want to make a white russian tho.
make sure you have a hand operated can opener ;)
A can of condensed milk and a quart of powdered milk makes for a good blend.
Nido. Whole powdered milk fortified with vitamins. It's like formula for big people. Grab it at any store than specializes in Latino items, it's relatively cheap and it tastes creamy and delicious once chilled. Nothing like that skim or low fat powdered crap they love to sell us in the USA. I think that's a conspiracy too. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514097
10/15/2008 11:54 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
Dry cilantro, dry out some chilies, dry store some garlic bulbs and dehydrate some onions. Grab a can of crushed tomatoes, sea salt to taste...BAM! You got some relatively fresh survival salsa. Get a bag of corn chips and you set...or you can roast your own cut up corn tortillas (or fry them) and make your own. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495603
10/15/2008 12:48 PM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
I know it gets old, but I gotta tell ya that ranch style can beans are one of the best things that you can get....stays good for YEARS, and it has a perfect balance of fat, protein, and carbs. It is also about the cheapest thing that you can get.
*Side note, it is canned with lots of water as well.
They look like this...pick up a couple every time you go to the market and you can amass many...
[ link to img530.imageshack.us]
I bet Evil Twin and Omega would back me on this :)
Thanks for reminding me. I liked them years ago and haven't thought of them in ages. I will buy some today.
I really love Ranch Style beans, but they are not available everywhere.
I've heard that if you literally turn the cans upside down every 6 months, that this can extend their shelf-lives considerably.
Also, write purchase dates on everything you plan to store. That'll help with rotation and calculating shelf life.
Many people recommend rotating your storage foods when they get old, i.e- eating the old stuff up while it's still good. But I've found that many old items are still edible way past their normally accepted shelf-lives if kept out of the heat. They may have little nutritional content left after several years, but may still be edible.
So, instead of eating them up, I rotate them out into what I'm calling my storage food barter stock. I put purchase dates on everything. I'll barter them off later to starving people who need them more than I do. I'll just add the caveat that these foods are old and have no guarantees of quality. Buyer assumes all risk.
Old food is better than no food when you're starving.
Barter is good. |
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himself
User ID: 528512
10/17/2008 1:40 AM | | Re: Recession Proof GLP...One Year's Worth of Food | Quote |
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I've heard that if you literally turn the cans upside down every 6 months, that this can extend their shelf-lives considerably....
Also, write purchase dates on everything you plan to store. That'll help with rotation and calculating shelf life.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 495603
Take the labels off.
Spray the cans or brush the cans with clear epoxy.
Reapply the labels and recoat with clear epoxy.
Note the expiration date and be religious about it.
Business in the USA puts profit above compassion and will stretch that date to the max.
(You can often find cans on supermarket shelves beyond that expiration date btw)
That coating with epoxy is a crusing sailor recommend, but it works for preventing any corrosion. |
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Anonymous Coward
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