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How Jackinthebox Got Jacked-up by the Police (with update)

 
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How Jackinthebox Got Jacked-up by the Police (with update)
I posted this material in another forum and figured I would share it here so that you can all get to know a bit about where I am coming from. This incident happened about a year ago now.

I suppose I should start a dedicated threat to my most recent experience with police brutality/excessive force. I have talked about this incident in other threads before, and recently another member was asking me about it. So instead of derailing that thread, I decided to finally start this one. I really shouldn’t be talking about this in a public forum since the case is still pending, but I think the level of anonymity is suffice to protect me from the damages that can be done by talking about an open case.

The police were in the neighborhood investigating a broken window at my neighbors’ apartment at about two in the morning. I came out and stood on my front porch to speak with two officers from the local department. Having worn a shield for several years, I asked to be allowed to empty my pockets before we engaged in conversation, as I had been drinking a bit and was armed.

The conversation was amicable for a few moments, and I was granted permission to smoke a cigarette while we spoke. Quickly though, their attitude shifted toward threats and intimidation. I responded by making a wise-crack along the lines of not really being afraid of a few local cops from their small department.

In an instant, I was face-down on my front porch. I was kicked about my torso and in the head repeatedly. A hand-held stun gun was applied to my back and legs ten times. They made no attempt to put the cuffs on my, until they noticed that the neighbors across the street were all watching. Throughout the beating, I did my best to simply lay there like a dead fish, knowing full well that any motion would only intensify the force applied by the officers.

I was charged for supposedly fighting with the officers, though anyone who knows me, or even had an idea about my size, would know that these two officers certainly would not have come away unscathed had I decided to engage them. Almost a year later, the charges are still pending.

UPDATE

We have all seen the many examples of police brutality over the years. Now it seems we are seeing more and more cases of it, without any meaningful accountability, or changes to prevent these abuses by authorities in the future. The police, once rightfully respected as the protectors of our communities, have now become our abusers, and even the murderers of people they are sworn to serve.

I do not envy the officers who truly believe in what they are doing, and have a genuine desire to help people. For I believe they have now become the minority, and have been swept up in the group mentality of a fascist force which is bringing down upon the people a thuggish police-state, where the rights of the people are no longer honored or respected. In the past, I have made many excuses for the police, in my respect for them and the difficult job they do each day. Always siding with the reasoning that the crimes by those in uniform were isolated cases, and that no force can be immune from corruption now matter how very necessary it is to strive for that goal. But I am drawing the line now. What I have seen and experienced in the last year has led me to believe that what is happening in this country is no longer excusable.

The main purpose of my writing today, is to provide an update to a case where I became the victim of a violent assault by two police officers.

I faced charges stemming from my alleged resistance to arrest and assault of the police officers, as well as a minor property crime. A finding of guilt on those charges would have likely resulted in a sentence of considerable jail time. Today, I was in court for the last time, and judgment was passed under the terms of a plea-bargain agreement. I feel somewhat vindicated. Though I had serious reservations about pleading guilty to anything at all, I was not willing to risk losing my freedom with a long jail sentence, had a jury been swayed by the testimony of two police officers over that of my civilian neighbors who witnessed the incident in disgust of the officers’ actions. Therefore, I chose to plead guilty to the non-criminal violation of Disorderly Conduct, and to pay ten dollars in restitution for a broken window.

In reading the other thread, you will find that I was evasive about the issue of the broken window which had been the initial cause for the police to be called to the neighborhood. Now that the case is over, I can reveal the specifics regarding the window. I did in fact break the window, but no crime was committed, as I had not done so intentionally. I had knocked at my neighbor’s door to complain for the third time about their cats leaving feces all over the lawn and driveway. This time, after two guests had stepped in it coming to my apartment. The neighbors did not answer.

It was dark out, and there is absolutely no light on the property. They had their porch light turned off. When I turned to leave, and stepped down off of the porch, I tripped over a cement statue, and my hand went through the window. If the police had bothered to properly investigate, they would have been able to quickly ascertain the facts of the matter. Instead, they chose to be belligerent, and ultimately, violent with someone who had no reason whatsoever to not be fully cooperative. So much so, that I had actually stepped onto my front porch and called to them, to offer my willingness to have the matter resolved in whatever reasonable way they saw fit.

In the end, I elected to plead guilty to the violation for two reasons. I had been drinking alcohol that evening, and may not have stumbled so hard, had I not been. Legally speaking, I probably could have sued over the lack of lighting on the property, and the obstacles in an area where people might reasonably be expected to walk, but then there is the second point to consider as well. Though my neighbor was often up late, and would often come knocking at my door for various reasons at such an hour, it was rather late at night to be knocking on someone’s door.

As I said, I am not completely comfortable with the outcome, but it is certainly better than gambling with my freedom.

The real point to all of this though, is that I DID NOT, do anything to warrant the violent abuse at the hands of these officers. And for that to be known publicly, leaves me feeling some sense of justice served. Though the officers in question will not be penalized in this matter, I can only hope that one day someone will be on more solid ground to bring a case against them when they violate the public trust once again. Apparently the judge felt the need to render justice in my favor as well, electing to impose no fine and waiving all court fees.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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If I get the time next week, I'll post a few pics too. I posted a few elsewhere that show some tazer marks down the leg, and a nice bruise on the arm. I don't want to show much more though, for identity reasons.

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When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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Wow. Not a peep huh? wtf
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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A'right. I figured I would get gang-tackled for this. I guess there just aren't a whole lotta bacon lovers over here at GLP. I suppose that's a good thing.

Well, thanks for stopping by to have a read folks.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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gives dumbass



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Oh, surprise surprise. An anonymous coward who is apathetic to the end of liberty and the march of the NWO.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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oops, tpl post
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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Hey jackinthbox!!

My GLP name is explodingfireball.

GLP is a different breed of animal than that other site.

You can say naughty words here.



Your ordeal is very similar to one that I had. I was protecting my property from a drunken bum, and I was the one that got arrested, cause I had a gun.

We live in a twisted ass police state.
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Hey jackinthbox!!

You can say naughty words here.
 Quoting: Downtown436 491789


No shit?!

I know you from "over there?" That handle look familiar.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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Yep you are on my friends list "over there".
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Yep you are on my friends list "over there".
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And you on mine!

Well, until I got banned that is. Bastards. Something sinister going on over there.

[link to www.realityuncovered.net]
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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I am not advocating the use of violence against you AT ALL - so don't take this that way - but if the police are conducting activity why would you talk to them at all? You admitted you were in an intoxicated state, armed, and cracking jokes. Not a good combination near cops that are nervous to begin with.

I despise most cops, but if they're conducting business I STAY AWAY.

Something tells me there's more to the story than you're telling.
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I broke the window, and I wanted to tell them that.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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I have had friends beaten by police for simply stopping and asking questions about how they were treating a suspect. This is a police state that we live in and until we take police brutality serious enough to take action we will continue to move down a slippery slope to greater totalitarianism!

Live free or die!
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...Live free or die!
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I got stopped one night, for what I thought was no reason at all. When I asked the officer why he had stopped me, and pressed for his probable cause for the actions that followed, the response was three of the biggest BS tickets I ever got. Well, not really. I've got a few stories like this actually.

One for a dirty windshield obscuring my inspection sticker. (If anyone knows what it's like on NY roads in the winter, you will know that on some days you can't get a mile without road grime caked all over your car.) Another for misplaced inspection sticker. (Even though they put it on at the shop. It was a "quarter-inch out of place horizontally" if I remember correctly.) And a third for not wearing a seat belt, even though I had only taken it off when the officer told me to get out of the car. I was convicted of all three.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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bump
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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me be your friend... after May 15
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Police brutality isn't new; it's been around a long time, it's just getting worse.

I'm female; way back in 1975, in the UK, pregnant and married to a dead beat that kept getting car related fines, I opened the door one night while the dead beat was out, to find two police.

One a woman, the other, male, a sargeant.

The woman was asking for the dead beat; they had a warrant for arrest, none payment of fines.

I told them he wasn't in; I actually told them where to find him and then tried to close the door as they were getting more and more belligerent, angry that they couldn't get him; the woman bust open the door and grabbed me by the hair and arm, forced me up against the wall ... 6ft inside my home, with her knee in my eight month pregnant belly.
The male stepped into the hallway, closing the door over so nobody could see in at what was happening.

I got threatened in no uncertain terms to never, repeat never, try and close a door on a cop again.

With no witnesses, I didn't have a case; but I took legal advice; there's no need to open the door to a cop, so I never have since. .... oh, and I got rid of the dead beat, he's now my ex, but I had my baby, safe and sound ... guess what? She wants to be a cop!



wtf
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In the UK? I thought things were better over there.

Tell her to do something else. Be a firefighter.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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...there's no need to open the door to a cop...
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That reminds me of a time that I had a house party in high school. I saw the spotlights in the tops of the tress, and slammed all the doors shut. If you were outside on the lawn, you were shit out of luck.

When the cop pounded on the door, I refused to open up and made faces at him through the window. I told him I didn't know the kids outside, and that I was not having a party. He was pissed!
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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don't talk to cops

they are not your friends
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Jack, I have only one question for ya:

Why in the hell were you knocking on a neighbors door to complain about cat poop at 2 in the morning???


You would have been met with a 12ga at my front door. ;)

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Repeat after me: Officer, I did not call for assistance. I will not open the door.
Thats it. end of conversation.
Anything else MAY end in your incarceration & slow broil with a tazer.
forget this at your own risk.
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that sucks dude. I'm just speechless.
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You bumped your own thread? Oh,paininthebox, you will learn.
Listen, Im sorry for the pain they caused you,excessive force,even though seems you helped bring it on. You also mentioned that you use to wear a badge, with good intent no doubt, so reespeckt.
With cops who murder for hireand pll being bent the way they are, 'lets be carefull out there.'
I have to ask are you sure it was cat shit and if so you sure your neighbour wasn,t a far-easter person call Whoo Flugdung, cos I've never heard of cats with such strange defficating behaviour?
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I have to ask are you sure it was cat shit and if so you sure your neighbour wasn,t a far-easter person call Whoo Flugdung, cos Ive never heard of cats with such strange deficating behaviour?
 Quoting: slartybartfast


LMAO...you are so right. Cat's don't dump on concrete or other hard surfaces. They are buriers.

Slarty's on his/her toes tonight.

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LMAO...you are so right. Cat's don't dump on concrete or other hard surfaces. They are buriers.

Slarty's on his/her toes tonight.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 506675


^^ cats ^^

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I have to ask are you sure it was cat shit and if so you sure your neighbour wasn,t a far-easter person call Whoo Flugdung, cos Ive never heard of cats with such strange deficating behaviour?


LMAO...you are so right. Cat's don't dump on concrete or other hard surfaces. They are buriers.

Slarty's on his/her toes tonight.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 506675

FYI,those happen to be male toes mr/mrs/ms patriot
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That sucks, Jack. I imagine most cops want that job because they really do want to protect people and stop bad guys, but get jaded once they see how many shades of gray there are in the world.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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so you talked back to some cops and you later mention that you indeed broke the window plus you were armed and had been drinkin wow talk about a dickhead your very lucky you were not put in jail dont do the crime if you cant do the the time stupid fuckwitt

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