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OBAMA COMMITTED POLITICAL SUICIDE ~ POLL~ AMERICANS AGAINST WEALTH RE-DISTRIBUTION 84/13. 84% SUPPORT JOE

 
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I do believe they already pay taxes.
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So, Joe the Plumber, or any other hard working business owner (or potential business owner) who spends long hours everyday building up his/her business so he can reap the rewards now has to fork it over to those who make less. Why? Because Obama says "It's not fair" Boo hoo...I make no where near $250.000, but I won't take hard earned money from those that do! I probably wouldn't see it anyway...it would all go to ACORN.
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i think people like you should be able to reject any tax benefit that the obama plan would give you. that would help tremendously.
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People like me? Why, whatever do you mean? I don't need others hard earned money. If I need something, I work for it. When I can afford something, I don't buy it.

If I am given too much change at the grocery store, I don't think to myself "Oh well, I need it more than the chain store does", and put it in my pocket, I give it back. Most of all, I don't begrudge anyone from keeping what they earn.
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So, Joe the Plumber, or any other hard working business owner (or potential business owner) who spends long hours everyday building up his/her business so he can reap the rewards now has to fork it over to those who make less. Why? Because Obama says "It's not fair" Boo hoo...I make no where near $250.000, but I won't take hard earned money from those that do! I probably wouldn't see it anyway...it would all go to ACORN.
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the extra tax does not include the initial 250k. lets say you make 251k only the 1k will be taxed. in other words you will get taxed on money greater than 250k.

a persons business doesn't go from 0 to 100 in one year. most businesses don't break even until the end of the second year. lets say it takes 5 years for joe the plumber to make 250k. filed taxes for 4 years would have tax breaks pased on income. so joe plumber has gotten a break in the last 4 years. now he makes more and gets to give a little back to the system.

again, i don't think it would be very difficult to set up a method, where, tax payers who refuse a tax refund can do so with a check of a box. then they can maintain their purity. they will not have to take hard earned money from that that do.

the acorn reference. i doubt it would get to acorn. obama used them in the primaries but not for this general election. i think the last thing obama would want to do is to have them associated with him.

i can understand your indignation. that is what palin told you to feel today.

unfortunately, you have to realize that the fundemental dynamics of our economic system is in ruins. that means that, everyone in our country, that uses united states dollars as a means of currency, are going to feel the cold winds of recession/depression.

only one of the many things, but a significant action to avoid our recession into becoming a depression, is trying to preserve the middle class. the middle class is disappearing at a pretty brisk pace. if the shrinking of the middle class is allowed to continue, america is in danger of becoming a solicist, or facist government and both extremes will make our constitutional america disappear.


so, please understand, you may not be one of the people that need saving. and you are not one of the people that have lived: "pride goeth before the fall". but they are out there and they need help and i don't mind helping. because in the long run it is one step closer to making a stronger america. people that can work and be productive and maintain a stable family life is beyond monetary value. they help build good stable communities. and that strengthens our country for all people. those who make above and below 250k
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I like your thoughtful response (aside from the Palin comment, as I can think for myself.)

Please understand what I take exception to. That is Obamas remark that some how people who work so hard and earn $250.000 can now live "high on the hog" and that that is "not fair".

I have nothing but admiration for people with that kind of drive, people with the courage to take risks and start something with their skills or imagination and make a great living for themselves and their families. To me it is very fair, and the should enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I feel we all have this opportunity, so why pick the pocket of someone who has earned it?
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Meanwhile, Joe The Plumber isn't even a licensed plumber, doesn't make over 250 grand a year and is connected to the Keating 5 scandal.

LOL.

Keep reaching for straws, PAC.
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Meanwhile, Joe The Plumber isn't even a licensed plumber, doesn't make over 250 grand a year and is connected to the Keating 5 scandal.

LOL.

Keep reaching for straws, PAC.
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The plumber didnt need a license, he wanted to buy a business that makes over $250k and is isnt conntected to keating.

But the big issue is he is not important.

The fact that Obama is trying to destroy him when Obama knocked on his door and Joe had the audacity to ask the Messiah a quesiton is the issue Spanky.

It wouldnt have mattered if Joe the plumber was on parole for murder.

He asked a question and now the entire Obama campaign is trying to kill his ass.

Obama said...we will spread the wealth.

Obama committed suicide by using Joe as his gun.
OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY

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JOE THE PLUMBER IS MORE POPULAR AND MORE WELL LIKED NOW THAN JOE THE SENATOR.

VOTERS ARE WANTING TO DRAFT HIM TO CONGRESS.

OMAMA'S GESTAPO IS STILL TRYING TO DISCREDIT HIM AND VOTERS ARE ENRAGED.

laugh
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Joe the Plumber has certainly done more interviews than Palin!
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Meanwhile, Joe The Plumber isn't even a licensed plumber, doesn't make over 250 grand a year and is connected to the Keating 5 scandal.

LOL.

Keep reaching for straws, PAC.


The plumber didnt need a license, he wanted to buy a business that makes over $250k and is isnt conntected to keating.

But the big issue is he is not important.

The fact that Obama is trying to destroy him when Obama knocked on his door and Joe had the audacity to ask the Messiah a quesiton is the issue Spanky.

It wouldnt have mattered if Joe the plumber was on parole for murder.

He asked a question and now the entire Obama campaign is trying to kill his ass.

Obama said...we will spread the wealth.

Obama committed suicide by using Joe as his gun.
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Your still reaching....LOL and delusions are plentiful in your posts.
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Everything OP just said is true, seems you are the one who is reaching.

How in the world did the Keating 5 get into this...another straw?
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Joe the plumber is just some random average Joe that just has some common sense opinions about... wait, what? He's related to who? Charles Keating? The same Charles Keating who is McCain's longtime business partner of the Keating 5 fame? And Joe's father went to prison for 40 months for his involvement in the savings and loan scandal that McCain was a part of and that Barack Obama brought up when McCain brought up William Ayers? Small world.


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Obama said...we will spread the wealth.

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Nope- Cant take that one back. chuckle
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Meanwhile, Joe The Plumber isn't even a licensed plumber, doesn't make over 250 grand a year and is connected to the Keating 5 scandal.

LOL.

Keep reaching for straws, PAC.


The plumber didnt need a license, he wanted to buy a business that makes over $250k and is isnt conntected to keating.

But the big issue is he is not important.

The fact that Obama is trying to destroy him when Obama knocked on his door and Joe had the audacity to ask the Messiah a quesiton is the issue Spanky.

It wouldnt have mattered if Joe the plumber was on parole for murder.

He asked a question and now the entire Obama campaign is trying to kill his ass.

Obama said...we will spread the wealth.

Obama committed suicide by using Joe as his gun.
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Joe the plumber is just some random average Joe that just has some common sense opinions about... wait, what? He's related to who? Charles Keating? The same Charles Keating who is McCain's longtime business partner of the Keating 5 fame? And Joe's father went to prison for 40 months for his involvement in the savings and loan scandal that McCain was a part of and that Barack Obama brought up when McCain brought up William Ayers? Small world.


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www.huffingtonpost.com

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bsflag bsflag bsflag
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redistribute the wealth = as in = change the laws, close corporate loopholes, subsidies and tax credits that allow the corporations to make profit in and off of the US people and legally avoid putting the money back into the system. Sucking the majority dry and not giving anything back. (like keeping jobs here and not overseas outsourcing, for example) Taking the "socialism" the 5 % upper crust has created for themselves by lobbying and taking care of their self-interest and bringing it back down by lobbyists for the people, capitalism for the rest of us. The big corporations (oil, pharma, banks, you know the ones--- not the small businesses. Just the ones who do not allow it to "trickle down", unless you mean trickle down into their pockets in Paraquay...)
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that's what I got...
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Oh That Keating 5, the one where McCain was competely exonerated? The one were Bennett said McCain was the most ethical man he ever met?

Yes, very similar to Obama hanging with a terrorist. *rolls eyes*
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JOE THE PLUMBER IS MORE POPULAR AND MORE WELL LIKED NOW THAN JOE THE SENATOR.

VOTERS ARE WANTING TO DRAFT HIM TO CONGRESS.

OMAMA'S GESTAPO IS STILL TRYING TO DISCREDIT HIM AND VOTERS ARE ENRAGED.

laugh

Joe the Plumber has certainly done more interviews than Palin!
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Good, who the heck wants to listen to her any longer than you have to.
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he is not related to keating you idiot.
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People like me? Why, whatever do you mean? I don't need others hard earned money. If I need something, I work for it. When I can afford something, I don't buy it.

If I am given too much change at the grocery store, I don't think to myself "Oh well, I need it more than the chain store does", and put it in my pocket, I give it back. Most of all, I don't begrudge anyone from keeping what they earn.
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i didn't disagree with you. what i wrote was "i think people like you should be able to reject any tax benefit that the obama plan would give you. that would help tremendously."
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I like your thoughtful response (aside from the Palin comment, as I can think for myself.)

Please understand what I take exception to. That is Obamas remark that some how people who work so hard and earn $250.000 can now live "high on the hog" and that that is "not fair".

I have nothing but admiration for people with that kind of drive, people with the courage to take risks and start something with their skills or imagination and make a great living for themselves and their families. To me it is very fair, and the should enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I feel we all have this opportunity, so why pick the pocket of someone who has earned it?
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is the glass half full or half empty?

i don't see it as "picking the pocket of someone who has earned it", i see it as "taking the burden off of those who are the least able to afford it".

i don't see this as class war. them against us. have versus have nots. i see this as trying to make america as strong as possible. we are only as strong as the people. the middle class is the unit of measurement for a sound democracy. during these hard times the middle class need to be nurtured, not allowed to slip into oblivion.

it's more than just a "money" thing, it is a "america must survive" thing.
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Oh That Keating 5, the one where McCain was competely exonerated? The one were Bennett said McCain was the most ethical man he ever met?

Yes, very similar to Obama hanging with a terrorist. *rolls eyes*
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. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

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Examples of Obama supporters informative, articulate, and intelligent responses:

FUCK OFF YOU GAY BOY.
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GO


FUCK


YOURSELF!
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Palin has 83 IQ like the OP.
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No matter what you do or say



REDNECK,



this election is over!
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ah yea-another "I love living in denial" Pacnw'guy' thread


Someone oughta write a book PACKY'S GREATEST HITS
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PACNFudge
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HOLY fuck! There ARE other people out there as STUPID as you!


THAT is a SCARY thought!
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NOTE: below is an example of a mccain supporter who spent their time gathering one-liners by obama supporters in this thread. it appears this was done after someone hurt their feelings, so in retaliation they have composed the following.

catdance

it's funny because it's crazy!!!

Examples of Obama supporters informative, articulate, and intelligent responses:


FUCK OFF YOU GAY BOY.


GO


FUCK


YOURSELF!


Palin has 83 IQ like the OP.


No matter what you do or say



REDNECK,



this election is over!


ah yea-another "I love living in denial" Pacnw'guy' thread


Someone oughta write a book PACKY'S GREATEST HITS


PACNFudge


HOLY fuck! There ARE other people out there as STUPID as you!


THAT is a SCARY thought!

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looks like the people know Joe is a fraud
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Oh That Keating 5, the one where McCain was competely exonerated? The one were Bennett said McCain was the most ethical man he ever met?

Yes, very similar to Obama hanging with a terrorist. *rolls eyes*
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Completely exonerated? Are you really that stupid?

Try "demonstrated poor judgment".
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So, Joe the Plumber, or any other hard working business owner (or potential business owner) who spends long hours everyday building up his/her business so he can reap the rewards now has to fork it over to those who make less. Why? Because Obama says "It's not fair" Boo hoo...I make no where near $250.000, but I won't take hard earned money from those that do! I probably wouldn't see it anyway...it would all go to ACORN.

i think people like you should be able to reject any tax benefit that the obama plan would give you. that would help tremendously.
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big corporations are broke..no taxes coming from them..small bussiness will layff or close doors..no taxes from them either..the slide is on..can you not understand that..any tax revenue will be needed to keep cities above water..you must work all year to get obama prizes..with layoffs you just got thrown under prize giveaway bus..............obama wrote a disclaimer for himself in the fine print when he drew up his lawyer contract on future handouts to citizens.....economist know he can not deliver his p
ipe dreams he handed you..these same pipedreams bought political offices across americ in poor Black cities everywhere..the cities failed and needed gov block grants to keep the city operating..

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