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Fleeing The United States

 
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 01:15 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 01:16 PM
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u have to declare what u r bringing into a new country when u go through their customs. there is nowhere to run my friend.
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10/17/2008 01:17 PM
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why you fleeing
when obama is president
we will be a one world government

no where to go


sorry
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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10/17/2008 01:19 PM
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why you fleeing
when obama is president
we will be a one world government
no where to go

sorry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505174

Nahh-

Just planning ahead.

Contingencies, my friend.

Kinda like what Dubya has been doin in S America...
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 01:21 PM
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why you fleeing
when obama is president
we will be a one world government
no where to go

sorry

Nahh-

Just planning ahead.

Contingencies, my friend.

Kinda like what Dubya has been doin in S America...
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Good luck, hope you have a couple mil at the least. Bon voyage.
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10/17/2008 01:26 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458338

i'm going to need your name and number. right now. do it. i'll also need your spatula and belly lint collection as well. don't ask,just do it.
love,
alphabet agency
Nebulous

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10/17/2008 01:28 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458338



Have a place lined up. Buy one now.

Did you know that resorts in Thailand and other Asian countries are hiring food and beverage managers at like 85,000 a year, and you're like a millionaire in that country?

Do some research. My brother's friend was a manager for six months in Las Vegas, and he's making 85,000 grand and lives in paradise.
Your Focus Determines Your Reality.
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10/17/2008 01:28 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?

i'm going to need your name and number. right now. do it. i'll also need your spatula and belly lint collection as well. don't ask,just do it.
love,
alphabet agency
 Quoting: salivation army 477059

You can have my toenail clipping collection- OK?
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 01:34 PM
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Homeland (Nazi) Security will likely take your money and label you a drug dealer or something.

Rule #1 - Never, ever trust a neo-con.

Rule #2 - Refer to rule number one.
Tessa

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10/17/2008 01:37 PM
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planning the same thing my friend

hf
"Whether this song is about sex, drugs, or Ramen Noodles, it's moving. And you can bet your ass that you can fuck to it."
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 01:41 PM
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If you do an "international move" like you might if you were taking a job or retiring to another country, the movers will pack what you tell them to pack. A box of "flatware" could be anything from sterling silver charges and bars to cheap stainless steel flatware. Just label it "flatware" so it's accurate.

If they happened to pack a box labeled "art supplies" you could put a few bars of gold there along with some lost wax casting equipment. Anyone asks and it's your hobby. The coins should be transported in coin holders and passed off as a coin collection. Nothing more. Bring those in your brief case.

The important thing is to not lie on either end. Leaving you are limited to taking about 10,000 in cash per person out of the US. However, you can buy and send to a forgein bank large denomination travelers checks or certified international bank instruments payable to yourself. Call the European Bank, get the managers name and let him / her know you're sending some bonds and such to the bank and ask them to put them in safe deposit until your arrival. Unopened, of course. They will all do so. Especially when you explain that you're relocating to their country as an "expat" and will be opening a business and personal banking relationships as you're getting settled in your new home.

Get your US bank to raise the limit you can pull on your debit card to something much higher than the usual 500/day in cash or 3000 per day in charges. 2500/cash and 10,000 charging is not too much to ask for if you have a long trip planned and you're going to be needing cash for emergencies or purchases of furniture or antiques, etc. Most bankers will do it for a good customer without much hassle. Assumes you have real money on deposit with them, however. Then you can use your debit card to pull $5000 or $10,000 per week out of your US accounts without any hassle at all.

Just don't lie to anyone who inquires. Not a complete lie anyway. BTW: the country you're moving to will check your incoming personal property shipment to a limited degree depending on your circumstances. If it was packed by an international moving company and they prepare a manifest and bill of lading - and you have a "story" that's reasonable - job in the foregin country or move to provence for retirement, etc. - they're not going to bother with you much. Don't go there as a 30 year old single with a whole lot of money and fine furnishings unless you have a trust fund at home to back you up. Dont' look like a drug dealer. Don't look like a crook. Be open. Be nice. Travel with your family if you have one. Cats and kids go a long way to getting you ignored.

Hope this helps a little bit.

We moved to Europe in 1999 and my biggest regret of my life is coming back to the US in 2002. If I'd stayed another year I could have asked for EU citizenship in addition to my US citizenship and then I could have lived anywhere in Europe I wanted to. Now, to go back I have to go in as a retiree or a business owner which will employ a couple of Europeans within two years. And I have to be able to prove I have sufficient income to support me and my family while this is being set up. Not too difficult but it could have ben a lot easier had I stayed in Europe and not come back to the US. But after 9/11 everything was weird and I wanted to be home agin.
Master Fuggasi
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10/17/2008 01:42 PM
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All you need to know is posted under the "JFK vs. Fed Reserve" - by The Patriot Mind

All else are symptoms of this issue.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 01:44 PM
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I'm moving to the Bahamas 5a
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10/17/2008 01:45 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458338



Do what I did!

Buy your own boat and use the Bahamas as a Port of Entry.

You can get a flight to anywhere from Freeport or Nassau!
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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10/17/2008 03:45 PM
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If you do an "international move" like you might if you were taking a job or retiring to another country, the movers will pack what you tell them to pack. A box of "flatware" could be anything from sterling silver charges and bars to cheap stainless steel flatware. Just label it "flatware" so it's accurate.

If they happened to pack a box labeled "art supplies" you could put a few bars of gold there along with some lost wax casting equipment. Anyone asks and it's your hobby. The coins should be transported in coin holders and passed off as a coin collection. Nothing more. Bring those in your brief case.

The important thing is to not lie on either end. Leaving you are limited to taking about 10,000 in cash per person out of the US. However, you can buy and send to a forgein bank large denomination travelers checks or certified international bank instruments payable to yourself. Call the European Bank, get the managers name and let him / her know you're sending some bonds and such to the bank and ask them to put them in safe deposit until your arrival. Unopened, of course. They will all do so. Especially when you explain that you're relocating to their country as an "expat" and will be opening a business and personal banking relationships as you're getting settled in your new home.

Get your US bank to raise the limit you can pull on your debit card to something much higher than the usual 500/day in cash or 3000 per day in charges. 2500/cash and 10,000 charging is not too much to ask for if you have a long trip planned and you're going to be needing cash for emergencies or purchases of furniture or antiques, etc. Most bankers will do it for a good customer without much hassle. Assumes you have real money on deposit with them, however. Then you can use your debit card to pull $5000 or $10,000 per week out of your US accounts without any hassle at all.

Just don't lie to anyone who inquires. Not a complete lie anyway. BTW: the country you're moving to will check your incoming personal property shipment to a limited degree depending on your circumstances. If it was packed by an international moving company and they prepare a manifest and bill of lading - and you have a "story" that's reasonable - job in the foregin country or move to provence for retirement, etc. - they're not going to bother with you much. Don't go there as a 30 year old single with a whole lot of money and fine furnishings unless you have a trust fund at home to back you up. Dont' look like a drug dealer. Don't look like a crook. Be open. Be nice. Travel with your family if you have one. Cats and kids go a long way to getting you ignored.

Hope this helps a little bit.

We moved to Europe in 1999 and my biggest regret of my life is coming back to the US in 2002. If I'd stayed another year I could have asked for EU citizenship in addition to my US citizenship and then I could have lived anywhere in Europe I wanted to. Now, to go back I have to go in as a retiree or a business owner which will employ a couple of Europeans within two years. And I have to be able to prove I have sufficient income to support me and my family while this is being set up. Not too difficult but it could have ben a lot easier had I stayed in Europe and not come back to the US. But after 9/11 everything was weird and I wanted to be home agin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 400833


Great information.
Thankyou.
My plan would not necessarily be moving furniture, etc.
I'm talking if truly TSHTF and my family and I have to flee with the clothes on our back.
Can we travel with our "coin collection", and how much cash before we look like mules?
ntisithoj

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10/17/2008 03:50 PM
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u have to declare what u r bringing into a new country when u go through their customs. there is nowhere to run my friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 520630



Come to Argentina! where smuggling in piles of money is a daily routine!

I one came in from Uruguay and there was no one at the xray booth! We all just put our bags on the belt and picked them up from the other side... no one cared. It is quite common for Argentinians to keep their money in Uruguayan bank and 'smuggle' it over when they need it.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:02 PM
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buy a sailboat
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10/17/2008 04:04 PM
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planning the same thing my friend

hf
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Any Americans NOT moving nout?

Tip: Australia is great.
although you may have a problem getting a visa for an extended period.
Your dollar has a good exchange rate here right now, and with all our shops going out of business..... come and spend your bucks!
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10/17/2008 04:04 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458338


With some countries, you risk losing it all by going through customs. Customs agents are thieves in many areas.
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10/17/2008 04:04 PM
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If you do an "international move" like you might if you were taking a job or retiring to another country, the movers will pack what you tell them to pack. A box of "flatware" could be anything from sterling silver charges and bars to cheap stainless steel flatware. Just label it "flatware" so it's accurate.

If they happened to pack a box labeled "art supplies" you could put a few bars of gold there along with some lost wax casting equipment. Anyone asks and it's your hobby. The coins should be transported in coin holders and passed off as a coin collection. Nothing more. Bring those in your brief case.

The important thing is to not lie on either end. Leaving you are limited to taking about 10,000 in cash per person out of the US. However, you can buy and send to a forgein bank large denomination travelers checks or certified international bank instruments payable to yourself. Call the European Bank, get the managers name and let him / her know you're sending some bonds and such to the bank and ask them to put them in safe deposit until your arrival. Unopened, of course. They will all do so. Especially when you explain that you're relocating to their country as an "expat" and will be opening a business and personal banking relationships as you're getting settled in your new home.

Get your US bank to raise the limit you can pull on your debit card to something much higher than the usual 500/day in cash or 3000 per day in charges. 2500/cash and 10,000 charging is not too much to ask for if you have a long trip planned and you're going to be needing cash for emergencies or purchases of furniture or antiques, etc. Most bankers will do it for a good customer without much hassle. Assumes you have real money on deposit with them, however. Then you can use your debit card to pull $5000 or $10,000 per week out of your US accounts without any hassle at all.

Just don't lie to anyone who inquires. Not a complete lie anyway. BTW: the country you're moving to will check your incoming personal property shipment to a limited degree depending on your circumstances. If it was packed by an international moving company and they prepare a manifest and bill of lading - and you have a "story" that's reasonable - job in the foregin country or move to provence for retirement, etc. - they're not going to bother with you much. Don't go there as a 30 year old single with a whole lot of money and fine furnishings unless you have a trust fund at home to back you up. Dont' look like a drug dealer. Don't look like a crook. Be open. Be nice. Travel with your family if you have one. Cats and kids go a long way to getting you ignored.

Hope this helps a little bit.

We moved to Europe in 1999 and my biggest regret of my life is coming back to the US in 2002. If I'd stayed another year I could have asked for EU citizenship in addition to my US citizenship and then I could have lived anywhere in Europe I wanted to. Now, to go back I have to go in as a retiree or a business owner which will employ a couple of Europeans within two years. And I have to be able to prove I have sufficient income to support me and my family while this is being set up. Not too difficult but it could have ben a lot easier had I stayed in Europe and not come back to the US. But after 9/11 everything was weird and I wanted to be home agin.


Great information.
Thankyou.
My plan would not necessarily be moving furniture, etc.
I'm talking if truly TSHTF and my family and I have to flee with the clothes on our back.
Can we travel with our "coin collection", and how much cash before we look like mules?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458338


My suggestion would be to hire a boat and sail on down to Costa Rica.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:05 PM
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IF u can get out, go.
i WOULD.
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10/17/2008 04:05 PM
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Something to remember if the economy etc are so bad that you have to leave this country. The rest of the world wont be any better, much of it is worse right now. If you are thinking about leaving you had better go somewher that you can pass yourself off as a local. When times are bad, starnger danger kicks in.
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10/17/2008 04:05 PM
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[link to www.australiamovie.com]
Nebulous

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10/17/2008 04:07 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?


With some countries, you risk losing it all by going through customs. Customs agents are thieves in many areas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 528935



Like the pig TSA agents in America that have been busted for stealing IPOD's Laptops and other valuable stuff and claiming it was "lost"?
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10/17/2008 04:09 PM
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Question-

If my family and I had to flee the US and A......
besides the clothes on our back, could we have cash and or Gold/Silver with us?
Or would that all be confiscated and would we be detained by Homeland Security and the IRS like that Hispanic busboy last year?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458338

op, once the nwo is establish, we are all fucked.
good luck and keep the hope alive
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:09 PM
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Go on a cruise, get off and don't come back.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:10 PM
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planning the same thing my friend

hf


Any Americans NOT moving nout?

Tip: Australia is great.
although you may have a problem getting a visa for an extended period.
Your dollar has a good exchange rate here right now, and with all our shops going out of business..... come and spend your bucks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 528989
Why would we go there?It's a police state too and no guns allowed.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:16 PM
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I've been thinking about leaving the US for awhile also. I was thinking Brazil or the Philippines.

Mainly because it's just too damn stressful to live here; and way too conservative.

And honestly, I've never really had any American friends; they've all been foreign.

Bash me if you want to, that's just how it is.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:18 PM
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declare what your bringing. Dont bring more than 10k cash/gold/silver on your person or per person in your party.

This does not apply to jewelry your wearing. hint hint.

Leave the remainder of cash in your bank and access it once your out of the country through ATMs or opening a new account in your host country and having it transfered.
Anonymous Coward
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10/17/2008 04:19 PM
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Usually though you only have to declare on paper when re-entering the USA.
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10/17/2008 11:09 PM
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bump
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