The actual New World Order that is here

Well, if they do that, at least half (if not more) of them will go as well. ESPECIALLY their leadership. Nothing they do will protect them, as too many people know exactly who they are. Starting WW3 is essentially suicide. Following what Dr. Dan Burisch has said, the survivors will end up with a shallow gene pool that eventually causes catastrophic genetic FAIL, hence the human experiments/abductions this century.

One more thing:

Why are they fulfilling my requests? It's 2 for 2 now. IF they want to send a direct message, then have BP call me. That's a win-win situation right there.


The "genetic fail" thing is not true. It is disinformation. You can have two siblings, man and woman, and repopulate the earth as long as you pay attention to the breeding partners through time to eradicate bad genes.

Your requests were good ones that they could easily do. I stated that before. They likely will not have a face to face or telephone conversation with you. They don’t provide me that luxury either.

Aren’t you as impressed as I am regarding the timing, 12:01 AM, October 31 of that quake? It really was to maintain the credibility of this thread since I was wrong about that October 30 event that did not happen. On the first minute after October 30 they provided something to keep this thread healthy.

I’m just so damn impressed with that. It’s making me smile right now.

There seems to be honesty at least in the first two pages of this thread, but honesty is not the only concern, not the only need for an alternative paradigm structure for a technological civilization. It´s an important part, nevertheless, although it may not be workable at the extreme. Radical positions and absolutes should be avoided and a rational buildup with many tones/colors should better be implemented, as best as possible.

Make the best we can with the best we have.




Also, another question. What would be on the agenda, right as soon the laws are passed, and our planet will become 1 prison, isntead of 200+ prisons. Like , what would be the goal of humanity ? To get in the outter space, and try to conquer the whole universe ? Is that the technological delema here ? The so- called elite doesnt know what people of the planet want ? and they sent some fool to some troll board to find out the menu for the new world order ?

If some elite official is really reading this, i would like to say : Stop the mass slaghtering of the humanity, give tesla technology to people, and give all the land to people. So that us people can do whatever we want.



You're response is actually quite healthy. This is delving into the psychology of the frustration of the old world order.

In fact, the frustration that the old world order creates within people is the fundamental flaw of that system. That's why doomsday is more probable with that system.

You need to be happy and relieved that the old world order is about to be extinct and part of the "ancient bad times" of human history. The honest world order changes everything. It changes how you feel and think about everything. What we do just depends upon what we decide to do.

We need not all do exactly the same damn thing. Obviously, who gets to develop the dangerous technology is highly controlled, that is all. If you rise to that level, you can probably work on that technology. It’s just very, very damn controlled.



+ Interesting, but not thorougfull... and, surely, quite illustrative of the problems that persist in the present malfunctioning and unsustainable global system... and could not necessarily be so "easily" solved within an alternative system, whatever it could be.

"Since the system is totally honest, once an individual understands it, they can do whatever the hell they want (*other than develop off-limits technology)." quote

+ People could not do "whatever they want"* ... they/we all should seek for the construction and maintenance of not just a society of Truth, honest communication and widespread knowledge (*with "some" excemptions, specially concerning potentially dangerous technologies that exist or may exist), but a global society that:

- keeps respectful relations among its parts
- succeed to achieve a really sustained equilibria concerning the management of the resources, thus making a fair and knowledgeable distribution/employment of such natural resources in the best interest of humankind and the overall planetary biosphere
- support and encourage creativeness
- and perhaps some other relevant issues...

And which in the longer run:

- succeed to fix the human induced pollution, ecosystem breakage and environmental services loss
- succeed to manage in a rational and really sustainable
the resources at its hands, including energies
- succeed to embrace compassion, comprehension and cooperation and take distance from their opposites, decreasing all forms of violence and specially generalized violence. A global society in equilibria will support peace and exploration.
- succeed to establish rational and wellintended relationships with the likely other intelligences within the galactic neighborhood and join in the exploration of the Cosmos, and the creative/artistic/spiritual and scientific endeavours according to its possibilities.
- succeed in the comprehension of the natural processes that directly affects their lifes and which most certainly compromise the human enterprise within the short term geological timeframes, and with which we should live while on this planet.

And on an even longer timeframe... a quite long geologic one

- succeed to establish/live somewhere else.

But for now... in the extremely short geologic timeframes...
Might we choose some sort of bright future?
Wonders wait ahead, so let´s share and care about the planet we live on. We are not alone, but we are being tested by our own development... and want it or not, the results of such tests could include most of our most proach living fellows.

I think this is a great responsability.

Best hopes for a better world,
A Scientist who Cares

Very nice, thanks... and also quite illustrative about


How do you perceive the issues presented in this video?

Aren´t they mainly related to entertainment?



I feel that some developments and changes in this somewhat science fiction perception may be promising... BUT, we may better prefer to maintain certain level of cultural diversity too... and not transform our lives in an extreme artificial and homogeneus environment... which probably would make for a less diverse and less interesting world...

The video and the webpage are wonderful, quite interesting... although they remain at the very surface and speak of very few potential changes... we do need to improve city planification and perhaps rebuild some misdevelopments, however each site is different and would present different challenges and posibilities.

Well, what is being focused is quite illustrative of the perception of most humans... probably... and what is that?

That most of us had been taking distance from Nature and the real world, that most people are not thoroughly conscient of the amazing diversity of the wonders of the planet they are living on... the geologic diversity, the biological diversity in all its forms... and also, the cultural diversity.

Maintaining such diversity and being comprehensive of the processes is a most need issue to cope with the forthcoming challenges, it is mostly amazing but at the same time it reveals some seemingly overwhelming threats...

For example, by now we had already managed to retain/strangle/appropiate of more than 90% of the terrestrial (continental) significantly productive ecosystems... transforming them in what we think is a comfortable and profitable way of "employment"... though the reality is quite different and we are actually loosing and risking so many things. This must be ammended.

Concerning the development of cities on the seas, for what we have already done, for what the knowledge on the seas remains so astonishly small and for what the magnitude of the geologic/natural risk at the medium and long timeframes affecting the sea level areas... i think this should be very well planned and somewhat limited... not encouraged.

S. who C.

OP~ and everyone on this thread~
Give me 13:20 minutes of your time.
Watch this vid of their vision of what is possible.
It is pretty amazing.
[link to video.google.com]


Understand what the Venus Project is about.
[link to www.thevenusproject.com]

No, there is no mention of controlling the doomsday tech...but when you watch the vid and the tech ideas involved, it is clear that this is essential for the protection of the Population.
This is a place where those ideas can be shared.


If you look at both sites you find that they support each other; go from one to the other.
So that the social changes are supported by tech and tech supports the social changes.
This is very important.
I recommend looking more closely at the sites OP and everyone.
This vid from Venus Project is promoted on Zeitgeist Movement, top left. And Vis Versa.
Zeitgeist most definitely discusses tech: Go to the top~
"Understanding". There are sections that do include Technology.
This is a site under construction and there isn't a forum up yet.
But that would be the place to discuss this further, thereby eliminating the need for yet another site.


I remember as a child going to the World's Fair back in the 60's. Probably all of that was possible and none of it materialized.
Because of You Know Who.

Time to change Ladies and Gentlemen!

WL1 Thank you for your response.
Of course there is never censorship here! We are the seeds of the HWO! ;>

What do you think we have now in our cities?
Prefab buildings with small rooms, many of which are decrepit and falling apart. Brick building crumbling. Trailers, modular homes, vinyl siding, and concrete high rises.
Perhaps a "cob" home could be designed instead. Have you ever seen those? Wonderful! Do a search on cob homes.
If you go to the site you will find also individual homes of unusual design.
But using wood in a world where it is becoming wasteful to do so has to be rethought and solutions accepted.
This is one idea...let's come up with more.

There are pictures on the site of homes tucked into the country side...you just haven't looked to see them, and the site is too big for me to bring it to you here.
I am not being a real estate agent here...just presenting the ideas that are in formation by some. ;>

Please read my response to S who C above. I address a few of those concerns at least from my thoughts; not from those of the founders.
I am sure they will address those concerns with discussion once the forums begin.

The interaction between people and nature will be direct, rather than houses made of wood.
And the vid is about CITIES, not the entire world!
Intelligently designed cities. So that there is less impact on the Earth, yet everything is accessible. That includes parks, lakes, food sources, etc. And this is meant to abolish poverty and us/them.

Hey if you don't want to live there...you don't have to!But,
lots of people want to live close to work in culturally diverse situations with convenience at their fingertips.
Our cities today are sprawling masses of mostly poverty and pollution. This is a creative way to solve those problems for those people.
But no one is being forced to do this.

Here is a whole page on YouTube about The Venus Project...
[link to www.youtube.com]


You obviously did not read any of the info I posted or anything on the site.
The point is not control at all since the basic premise is that there is an evolution of the Human Spirit to no longer need the oversite that you are speaking about.
The Zeitgeist Movement is very clear on thisI posted the link, and it is on the Venus site as well), and it would be helpful to drop the knee jerk reaction to consider what is really being talked about.

I don't agree with all of it, but the basic premise that we are free and can create a new way of relating and caring for each other is what it is about.

I will say again that this vid is about CITIES and not the entire world. but we need to get smart about our resources and consider how Gaia feels when we insist abusing her resources.

It is not that I don't appreciate your thoughts, it is just that they are limited in understanding because you have not informed yourself adequately before commenting.

WL and anyone else~ Try this Link for answers:
FAQ: I am working my way down it and have not finished it.
Let us continue to discuss this~ the pros and cons.
I am able to keep an open mind and question these things on their merit.
Will you join me?

[link to thezeitgeistmovement.com]

I think you would have to go back and listen to Ben Fulford as he talks about the elite that he has conferred with. What that process is about is to show them that there is a better way.

I think you would have to go back and listen to Ben Fulford as he talks about the elite that he has conferred with. What that process is about is to show them that there is a better way.


You believe too much in Fulford and the "Chinese".

I believe they are all in on it.

I read once some "theory" that the Bird's Nest stadium was built with the steel that "they" "sold" to China.

For me, that makes much more sense - in terms of how evil these people are - than this fable that Fulford is pushing.

"Hidden in Plain sight."

After all what wars are if not sacrifice rituals?

The Communists did not think twice obliterating so many people. These people also do not have a "heart". So it is all a lie if you ask me.

I wrote to someone about this sort of thing concerning another topic. That the evil will try to take a good thought or movement and turn it just enough so that it will sound the same, but be very different in fact.

I wrote to someone about this sort of thing concerning another topic. That the evil will try to take a good thought or movement and turn it just enough so that it will sound the same, but be very different in fact.


I never stated that I equate this thought with Communism. I understood them as clearly different. I was defending this thought - as I had thought before while living among "capitalists" who did not blink about BUYING mass-produced items on Ikea, while bashing the "sameness" of the communist system.

Although evil does that, it also does present us with a very enticing harmless idea on the surface, but that it has a different nature in its depth.

I think you would have to go back and listen to Ben Fulford as he talks about the elite that he has conferred with. What that process is about is to show them that there is a better way.


You believe too much in Fulford and the "Chinese".

I believe they are all in on it.

I read once some "theory" that the Bird's Nest stadium was built with the steel that "they" "sold" to China.

For me, that makes much more sense - in terms of how evil these people are - than this fable that Fulford is pushing.

"Hidden in Plain sight."

After all what wars are if not sacrifice rituals?

The Communists did not think twice obliterating so many people. These people also do not have a "heart". So it is all a lie if you ask me.

Do you have any other ideas as to what to create given our current situation?

However, this whole thread could be "intelligence gathering" for AFTER the culling of the majority "useless eaters" of the species.




In which case they are going to do what they do regardless...

That is what is not known...

However, this whole thread could be "intelligence gathering" for AFTER the culling of the majority "useless eaters" of the species.



And then you say~no, no they can't do that...
WTF?