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In Duluth, Minnesota, at the site of two drownings of University of Minnesota Duluth students, is a smiley face and cryptic symbols and quotations painted on a bridge that matches other scenes in Minneapolis and La Crosse, Wisconsin and Columbus Ohio and others.

The last known drowning in Duluth occurred in 2004. The smiley face and writings were painted on the bridge that was re-done in 2002. So the smiley face can't be any older than that.

The writings explain why the killers are drowning drunk white male college students, and also explains why some of the smiley faces have devil horns.

Clues left at Duluth drownings

Ken Christiansen, 19, died in Duluth's Chester Creek on Friday, April 13, 2001. Christiansen died on Good Friday, the day of rememberance of Jesus dying on the cross. There is a blue cross and the phrase, "Jesus saves" next to the smiley face.

The phrase "You cant's see what you're not looking for" is painted at scene of the drowning. There is a smiley face inside the letter "o" in the phrase, "You can't see what you're not looking for."

The name Christiansen has "chrisitian" in it. "The Chrisitan has long been dead," quote from a Gary Snyder poem had been written under the Chester Creek bridge. [Gary Snyder poems]

Gary Snyder is a buddhist and embraces other religions that are similar such as Native American and Witchcraft.

In the "Redskins" chapter of the book, Earth House, Snyder wrote "Most tribes apparently achieved these results simply through yogic-type disciplines....." and "One religion tradition of this communion with nature which has survived into historic Western times is what has been called Witchcraft. The altered and pelted figure painted on the cave wall of Trois Freres, a shaman-dancer-poet, is a prototype of Shiva and the Devil."

Snyder refers to this "altered" "painted" figure as the "Devil." This may explain why 9 out of 22 smiley faces have devil horns.

In describing this painted altered devil, Snyder wrote, "the Devil appeared in the likeness of a pretty boy...."

[ most of the young college guys were good-looking. ]

Hiawatha and Columbus connections

At the scene of a drowning in La Crosse, Wisconsin there is a large statue of Hiawatha.

Native American links

There are many Native American clues connected to the Midwest drownings. They are far too coincidental not be connected.

- Chippewa River and Hiawatha statue involving Wisconsin drownings
- The word, 'Sinsinawa' at a drowning in Iowa
- Chris Jenkins dressed as a Native American on the night he was drowned in Minneapolis
- Many drownings have occurred near a Columbus, Hudson, Native American (Hiawatha) symbol, street, statue, etc.

Christopher Columbus is a person in U.S. history hated by many Native Americans because of his cruel treatment of them. This may be why 'Columbus' has shown up as a clue left at the scene of drownings. Columbus also represents the "white man's" takeover of Native American lands. Because of this, Columbus would also be hated by a Snyder-type cult.

An interesting fact about the bloodhound that located the scent of Josh in Collegeville, Minnesota and Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, is that the scents of both victims were tracked to a Catholic church on the St. Johns campus in Collegeville. This campus has a Knights of Columbus chapter.

Looking for Hiawatha connections to other drownings, we found a Hiawatha Street in Columbus, Ohio near where Brian Shaffer, an Ohio State University medical student went missing April 2, 2006.

In Duluth, near the smiley face is the word "Ugly" with the "U" being red and shaped like a horseshoe and the rest of the word being gray color. The Ohio State University colors are gray and red and their stadium is called "The Horseshoe" because of its "U" shape. Their stadium looks like a big red "U", just like the one at Chester Creek in Duluth.

Brian Shaffer, 27, an Ohio State University medical student was last seen April 2, 2006, at the Ugly Tuna Saloona (spelled correctly). Brian Shaffer Archive

Many investigators believe that the drowning of 19-year-old Ohio University student Keith Noble and the disappearance of Brian Shaffer are related.

Streets named "High" are at the locations where both victims were last seen. This street name is also in Duluth near Chester Creek and is near other locations of drownings.

Since quotations from author/poet Gary Snyder were found at the Duluth location of two drownings, the killers may be using Snyder's writings as a demented template for the killings.

The Smiley Face Killers are a cult whose mission is to destroy people (generally white people) they view as being capitalistic and who do not conform to their way of thinking. (See Snyder's poem Smokey The Bear and A Curse On The Men.)

They view humans as less superior than plants and animals. They believe humans hinder life on Earth. (See the book Back On Fire and essay Energy is Eternal Delight.)

They view white college men as capitalists and the source of the problems of the U.S. and around the world. They are compelled to murder these men and believe they are doing the world a tremendous service.

They especially resent white capitalist men who "drink to it" as written about in the poem Money Goes Upstream.

The Smiley Face Killers focus on Snyder's writings as their religion/lifestyle and they could belong to any race, including white. Snyder's writings focus around Native American religion and Buddhism, but also have a mix of other religions as well. Snyder even quotes the Bible occasionally, but is clearly anti-Christian.

Because they feel the need to kill white males, they must do it in a way that they will not be caught. At the same time, they do have a radical message to preach, thus the reason to leave painted messages and taunts i.e., "You can't see what you're not looking for."

The reason for the smiley face is to be comic as indicated in Snyder's Smokey The Bear poem. The smiley face is also the "Face" and the "quiet smile" of those dead "mortals" as indicated in the poem Maitreya The Future Buddha.

The deaths do not happen during full moons. Probably to better conceal the killers.

The Duluth writings are a cryptic link to the Chris Jenkins murder in Minneapolis. The word "Ally" appears next to the smiley face in Duluth and had been written by the same person (same hand writing) who quoted the Snyder poem about killing young white men.

Snyder had a poem called "The Dead by the Side of the Road" which seems to be the template for the Chris Jenkins homicide. Of the many published poems by Gary Snyder, this one happens to be the one published in Minnesota by Ally Press. Too coincidental to not be connected.

Chris Jenkins' body was found in the Mississippi River in Minneapolis just a few miles north of Highway 5, which also acts as an Interstate. He was drowned on Halloween and was wearing a Native American costume with a red feather. The feather was found using a bloodhound next to drops of Chris' blood.

There are many connections between the Chris Jenkins murder, the Snyder poems, and what is written in Duluth -- Snyder's writings, Native American, red feather, Interstate Highway 5, Halloween, Dead by the Side of the Road poem, Ally, Ally Press, ect.

At Minnehaha Park in Minneapolis, there is another Hiawatha statue. Minnehaha Park is almost exactly between where the bodies of Chris Jenkins and Chris Norby were found in the Mississippi River and Interstate Highway 5. There is a Hiawatha Avenue and a Columbus Avenue that runs almost the entire length between Highway 5 and the area of where their bodies were found.

The writings at the other drowning scenes should begin to make sense once applied to Snyder's writings.

Smiley Face investigation initial reports -- report 1 and report 2
Smiley Face Killers Profile

Special thanks to Mike Flaherty for his professional investigative work.

Inv. D. Brian Blackwell and Mike Flaherty

[link to www.zimbio.com]
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good update- thanks!.. these cases are SO creepy
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If they're anti-capitalist, they should be killing MBA students, not med students. Or better yet, Wall Street executives! (just kidding....)
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If they're anti-capitalist, they should be killing MBA students, not med students. Or better yet, Wall Street executives! (just kidding....)
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From what has been written the main thing that they are ANTI is obviously antichrist and what they pecieve falsley as western christian civilisation- they are following the grumblings of a beat poet type anti establishment poet who drank up eastern and native american philospophies out of guilt for his own perception of the greed of so called decadent western christianised society.

Ofcourse all this is just a high minded intellectual and the killers think radical reasonable justification for the real motive of the crimes which is plain bloodlust.

The killers want ART FAME
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If they're anti-capitalist, they should be killing MBA students, not med students. Or better yet, Wall Street executives! (just kidding....)



From what has been written the main thing that they are ANTI is obviously antichrist and what they pecieve falsley as western christian civilisation- they are following the grumblings of a beat poet type anti establishment poet who drank up eastern and native american philospophies out of guilt for his own perception of the greed of so called decadent western christianised society.

Ofcourse all this is just a high minded intellectual and the killers think radical reasonable justification for the real motive of the crimes which is plain bloodlust.

The killers want ART FAME
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I worded the above wrong
I mean the main thing they are anti IS CHRIST. They and their whole phsycology is routed in a complete rejection and snobbish bias opposing what they see as a western christianised society.
They thrive on satanic interlectualism and they want to express and justify everything through ART.
THEY WANT TO BE FAMOUS FOR CREATING A NEW ART MOVEMENT.
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If they're anti-capitalist, they should be killing MBA students, not med students. Or better yet, Wall Street executives! (just kidding....)
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Artist have always historically used good looking students as their subjects.
they pick them sometimes for convenience other times because of beauty or what they pecieve as the modern defintion of youth, they are being careful and resisting certain things though- they will get worse they want more youth.
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If they're anti-capitalist, they should be killing MBA students, not med students. Or better yet, Wall Street executives! (just kidding....)
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these killings are no t revenge or prejudice killings they are ART KILLINGS
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In Duluth, Minnesota, at the site of two drownings of University of Minnesota Duluth students, is a smiley face and cryptic symbols and quotations painted on a bridge that matches other scenes in Minneapolis and La Crosse, Wisconsin and Columbus Ohio and others.

The last known drowning in Duluth occurred in 2004. The smiley face and writings were painted on the bridge that was re-done in 2002. So the smiley face can't be any older than that.

The writings explain why the killers are drowning drunk white male college students, and also explains why some of the smiley faces have devil horns.

Clues left at Duluth drownings

Ken Christiansen, 19, died in Duluth's Chester Creek on Friday, April 13, 2001. Christiansen died on Good Friday, the day of rememberance of Jesus dying on the cross. There is a blue cross and the phrase, "Jesus saves" next to the smiley face.

The phrase "You cant's see what you're not looking for" is painted at scene of the drowning. There is a smiley face inside the letter "o" in the phrase, "You can't see what you're not looking for."

The name Christiansen has "chrisitian" in it. "The Chrisitan has long been dead," quote from a Gary Snyder poem had been written under the Chester Creek bridge. [Gary Snyder poems]

Gary Snyder is a buddhist and embraces other religions that are similar such as Native American and Witchcraft.

In the "Redskins" chapter of the book, Earth House, Snyder wrote "Most tribes apparently achieved these results simply through yogic-type disciplines....." and "One religion tradition of this communion with nature which has survived into historic Western times is what has been called Witchcraft. The altered and pelted figure painted on the cave wall of Trois Freres, a shaman-dancer-poet, is a prototype of Shiva and the Devil."

Snyder refers to this "altered" "painted" figure as the "Devil." This may explain why 9 out of 22 smiley faces have devil horns.

In describing this painted altered devil, Snyder wrote, "the Devil appeared in the likeness of a pretty boy...."

[ most of the young college guys were good-looking. ]

Hiawatha and Columbus connections

At the scene of a drowning in La Crosse, Wisconsin there is a large statue of Hiawatha.

Native American links

There are many Native American clues connected to the Midwest drownings. They are far too coincidental not be connected.

- Chippewa River and Hiawatha statue involving Wisconsin drownings
- The word, 'Sinsinawa' at a drowning in Iowa
- Chris Jenkins dressed as a Native American on the night he was drowned in Minneapolis
- Many drownings have occurred near a Columbus, Hudson, Native American (Hiawatha) symbol, street, statue, etc.

Christopher Columbus is a person in U.S. history hated by many Native Americans because of his cruel treatment of them. This may be why 'Columbus' has shown up as a clue left at the scene of drownings. Columbus also represents the "white man's" takeover of Native American lands. Because of this, Columbus would also be hated by a Snyder-type cult.

An interesting fact about the bloodhound that located the scent of Josh in Collegeville, Minnesota and Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, is that the scents of both victims were tracked to a Catholic church on the St. Johns campus in Collegeville. This campus has a Knights of Columbus chapter.

Looking for Hiawatha connections to other drownings, we found a Hiawatha Street in Columbus, Ohio near where Brian Shaffer, an Ohio State University medical student went missing April 2, 2006.

In Duluth, near the smiley face is the word "Ugly" with the "U" being red and shaped like a horseshoe and the rest of the word being gray color. The Ohio State University colors are gray and red and their stadium is called "The Horseshoe" because of its "U" shape. Their stadium looks like a big red "U", just like the one at Chester Creek in Duluth.

Brian Shaffer, 27, an Ohio State University medical student was last seen April 2, 2006, at the Ugly Tuna Saloona (spelled correctly). Brian Shaffer Archive

Many investigators believe that the drowning of 19-year-old Ohio University student Keith Noble and the disappearance of Brian Shaffer are related.

Streets named "High" are at the locations where both victims were last seen. This street name is also in Duluth near Chester Creek and is near other locations of drownings.

Since quotations from author/poet Gary Snyder were found at the Duluth location of two drownings, the killers may be using Snyder's writings as a demented template for the killings.

The Smiley Face Killers are a cult whose mission is to destroy people (generally white people) they view as being capitalistic and who do not conform to their way of thinking. (See Snyder's poem Smokey The Bear and A Curse On The Men.)

They view humans as less superior than plants and animals. They believe humans hinder life on Earth. (See the book Back On Fire and essay Energy is Eternal Delight.)

They view white college men as capitalists and the source of the problems of the U.S. and around the world. They are compelled to murder these men and believe they are doing the world a tremendous service.

They especially resent white capitalist men who "drink to it" as written about in the poem Money Goes Upstream.

The Smiley Face Killers focus on Snyder's writings as their religion/lifestyle and they could belong to any race, including white. Snyder's writings focus around Native American religion and Buddhism, but also have a mix of other religions as well. Snyder even quotes the Bible occasionally, but is clearly anti-Christian.

Because they feel the need to kill white males, they must do it in a way that they will not be caught. At the same time, they do have a radical message to preach, thus the reason to leave painted messages and taunts i.e., "You can't see what you're not looking for."

The reason for the smiley face is to be comic as indicated in Snyder's Smokey The Bear poem. The smiley face is also the "Face" and the "quiet smile" of those dead "mortals" as indicated in the poem Maitreya The Future Buddha.

The deaths do not happen during full moons. Probably to better conceal the killers.

The Duluth writings are a cryptic link to the Chris Jenkins murder in Minneapolis. The word "Ally" appears next to the smiley face in Duluth and had been written by the same person (same hand writing) who quoted the Snyder poem about killing young white men.

Snyder had a poem called "The Dead by the Side of the Road" which seems to be the template for the Chris Jenkins homicide. Of the many published poems by Gary Snyder, this one happens to be the one published in Minnesota by Ally Press. Too coincidental to not be connected.

Chris Jenkins' body was found in the Mississippi River in Minneapolis just a few miles north of Highway 5, which also acts as an Interstate. He was drowned on Halloween and was wearing a Native American costume with a red feather. The feather was found using a bloodhound next to drops of Chris' blood.

There are many connections between the Chris Jenkins murder, the Snyder poems, and what is written in Duluth -- Snyder's writings, Native American, red feather, Interstate Highway 5, Halloween, Dead by the Side of the Road poem, Ally, Ally Press, ect.

At Minnehaha Park in Minneapolis, there is another Hiawatha statue. Minnehaha Park is almost exactly between where the bodies of Chris Jenkins and Chris Norby were found in the Mississippi River and Interstate Highway 5. There is a Hiawatha Avenue and a Columbus Avenue that runs almost the entire length between Highway 5 and the area of where their bodies were found.

The writings at the other drowning scenes should begin to make sense once applied to Snyder's writings.

Smiley Face investigation initial reports -- report 1 and report 2
Smiley Face Killers Profile

Special thanks to Mike Flaherty for his professional investigative work.

Inv. D. Brian Blackwell and Mike Flaherty

[link to www.zimbio.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 530404

The Reason for the BLUE CROSS IS FOR MOCKERY OF THE IDEA OF CHRISTS HEALING POWERS.
The blue cross is synonminous with HEALTH CARE SERVICES
Intheir mistaken understanding of Chrisitan teachings they think christ opposes bandaging the wounds of a samariton or enemy . they think Jesus only wants health care to be governed by miracles. and so they mock him by putting him on the BLUE CROSS EMBLEM OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES.
This is just a hypothesis ofcourse but it is one reason for chooing blue - and if the killers drew that and said Jesus saves- it fits in with the mockery- as it is established they are ANTI -CHRIST.
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In Duluth, Minnesota, at the site of two drownings of University of Minnesota Duluth students, is a smiley face and cryptic symbols and quotations painted on a bridge that matches other scenes in Minneapolis and La Crosse, Wisconsin and Columbus Ohio and others.

The last known drowning in Duluth occurred in 2004. The smiley face and writings were painted on the bridge that was re-done in 2002. So the smiley face can't be any older than that.

The writings explain why the killers are drowning drunk white male college students, and also explains why some of the smiley faces have devil horns.

Clues left at Duluth drownings

Ken Christiansen, 19, died in Duluth's Chester Creek on Friday, April 13, 2001. Christiansen died on Good Friday, the day of rememberance of Jesus dying on the cross. There is a blue cross and the phrase, "Jesus saves" next to the smiley face.

The phrase "You cant's see what you're not looking for" is painted at scene of the drowning. There is a smiley face inside the letter "o" in the phrase, "You can't see what you're not looking for."

The name Christiansen has "chrisitian" in it. "The Chrisitan has long been dead," quote from a Gary Snyder poem had been written under the Chester Creek bridge. [Gary Snyder poems]

Gary Snyder is a buddhist and embraces other religions that are similar such as Native American and Witchcraft.

In the "Redskins" chapter of the book, Earth House, Snyder wrote "Most tribes apparently achieved these results simply through yogic-type disciplines....." and "One religion tradition of this communion with nature which has survived into historic Western times is what has been called Witchcraft. The altered and pelted figure painted on the cave wall of Trois Freres, a shaman-dancer-poet, is a prototype of Shiva and the Devil."

Snyder refers to this "altered" "painted" figure as the "Devil." This may explain why 9 out of 22 smiley faces have devil horns.

In describing this painted altered devil, Snyder wrote, "the Devil appeared in the likeness of a pretty boy...."

[ most of the young college guys were good-looking. ]

Hiawatha and Columbus connections

At the scene of a drowning in La Crosse, Wisconsin there is a large statue of Hiawatha.

Native American links

There are many Native American clues connected to the Midwest drownings. They are far too coincidental not be connected.

- Chippewa River and Hiawatha statue involving Wisconsin drownings
- The word, 'Sinsinawa' at a drowning in Iowa
- Chris Jenkins dressed as a Native American on the night he was drowned in Minneapolis
- Many drownings have occurred near a Columbus, Hudson, Native American (Hiawatha) symbol, street, statue, etc.

Christopher Columbus is a person in U.S. history hated by many Native Americans because of his cruel treatment of them. This may be why 'Columbus' has shown up as a clue left at the scene of drownings. Columbus also represents the "white man's" takeover of Native American lands. Because of this, Columbus would also be hated by a Snyder-type cult.

An interesting fact about the bloodhound that located the scent of Josh in Collegeville, Minnesota and Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, is that the scents of both victims were tracked to a Catholic church on the St. Johns campus in Collegeville. This campus has a Knights of Columbus chapter.

Looking for Hiawatha connections to other drownings, we found a Hiawatha Street in Columbus, Ohio near where Brian Shaffer, an Ohio State University medical student went missing April 2, 2006.

In Duluth, near the smiley face is the word "Ugly" with the "U" being red and shaped like a horseshoe and the rest of the word being gray color. The Ohio State University colors are gray and red and their stadium is called "The Horseshoe" because of its "U" shape. Their stadium looks like a big red "U", just like the one at Chester Creek in Duluth.

Brian Shaffer, 27, an Ohio State University medical student was last seen April 2, 2006, at the Ugly Tuna Saloona (spelled correctly). Brian Shaffer Archive

Many investigators believe that the drowning of 19-year-old Ohio University student Keith Noble and the disappearance of Brian Shaffer are related.

Streets named "High" are at the locations where both victims were last seen. This street name is also in Duluth near Chester Creek and is near other locations of drownings.

Since quotations from author/poet Gary Snyder were found at the Duluth location of two drownings, the killers may be using Snyder's writings as a demented template for the killings.

The Smiley Face Killers are a cult whose mission is to destroy people (generally white people) they view as being capitalistic and who do not conform to their way of thinking. (See Snyder's poem Smokey The Bear and A Curse On The Men.)

They view humans as less superior than plants and animals. They believe humans hinder life on Earth. (See the book Back On Fire and essay Energy is Eternal Delight.)

They view white college men as capitalists and the source of the problems of the U.S. and around the world. They are compelled to murder these men and believe they are doing the world a tremendous service.

They especially resent white capitalist men who "drink to it" as written about in the poem Money Goes Upstream.

The Smiley Face Killers focus on Snyder's writings as their religion/lifestyle and they could belong to any race, including white. Snyder's writings focus around Native American religion and Buddhism, but also have a mix of other religions as well. Snyder even quotes the Bible occasionally, but is clearly anti-Christian.

Because they feel the need to kill white males, they must do it in a way that they will not be caught. At the same time, they do have a radical message to preach, thus the reason to leave painted messages and taunts i.e., "You can't see what you're not looking for."

The reason for the smiley face is to be comic as indicated in Snyder's Smokey The Bear poem. The smiley face is also the "Face" and the "quiet smile" of those dead "mortals" as indicated in the poem Maitreya The Future Buddha.

The deaths do not happen during full moons. Probably to better conceal the killers.

The Duluth writings are a cryptic link to the Chris Jenkins murder in Minneapolis. The word "Ally" appears next to the smiley face in Duluth and had been written by the same person (same hand writing) who quoted the Snyder poem about killing young white men.

Snyder had a poem called "The Dead by the Side of the Road" which seems to be the template for the Chris Jenkins homicide. Of the many published poems by Gary Snyder, this one happens to be the one published in Minnesota by Ally Press. Too coincidental to not be connected.

Chris Jenkins' body was found in the Mississippi River in Minneapolis just a few miles north of Highway 5, which also acts as an Interstate. He was drowned on Halloween and was wearing a Native American costume with a red feather. The feather was found using a bloodhound next to drops of Chris' blood.

There are many connections between the Chris Jenkins murder, the Snyder poems, and what is written in Duluth -- Snyder's writings, Native American, red feather, Interstate Highway 5, Halloween, Dead by the Side of the Road poem, Ally, Ally Press, ect.

At Minnehaha Park in Minneapolis, there is another Hiawatha statue. Minnehaha Park is almost exactly between where the bodies of Chris Jenkins and Chris Norby were found in the Mississippi River and Interstate Highway 5. There is a Hiawatha Avenue and a Columbus Avenue that runs almost the entire length between Highway 5 and the area of where their bodies were found.

The writings at the other drowning scenes should begin to make sense once applied to Snyder's writings.

Smiley Face investigation initial reports -- report 1 and report 2
Smiley Face Killers Profile

Special thanks to Mike Flaherty for his professional investigative work.

Inv. D. Brian Blackwell and Mike Flaherty

[link to www.zimbio.com]

The Reason for the BLUE CROSS IS FOR MOCKERY OF THE IDEA OF CHRISTS HEALING POWERS.
The blue cross is synonminous with HEALTH CARE SERVICES
Intheir mistaken understanding of Chrisitan teachings they think christ opposes bandaging the wounds of a samariton or enemy . they think Jesus only wants health care to be governed by miracles. and so they mock him by putting him on the BLUE CROSS EMBLEM OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES.
This is just a hypothesis ofcourse but it is one reason for chooing blue - and if the killers drew that and said Jesus saves- it fits in with the mockery- as it is established they are ANTI -CHRIST.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553621

FOR FURTHER STRONG CONNECTION TO THE REASONOING I SUSPECT
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Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota offers individual and group health plans . Worldwide coverage, extensive networks, prescription drug coverage, ...

"Ken Christiansen, 19, died in Duluth's Chester Creek on Friday, April 13, 2001. Christiansen died on Good Friday, the day of rememberance of Jesus dying on the cross. There is a blue cross and the phrase, "Jesus saves" next to the smiley face."

Duluth is in Minnesota
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Also for confirmation of why i supsect they used the Blue Cross as mockery in the way i describe

see this search
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intresting..
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hmm, intresting... how do you know?
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it is obvious
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From the understanding of the very ANTI -CHRIST rejection of society and establishment and the fascination of the EASERN AND NATIVE EARTH PAGAN RELGIONS I make an educated guess the killer or killers were born into CATHOLIC FAMILIES.
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"...or killers were born into CATHOLIC FAMILIES."

yep, thats what im thinking too..
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Another MKULTRA serial killer is on the loose, watch out!
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From the understanding of the very ANTI -CHRIST rejection of society and establishment and the fascination of the EASERN AND NATIVE EARTH PAGAN RELGIONS I make an educated guess the killer or killers were born into CATHOLIC FAMILIES.
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Christopher Columbus is a person in U.S. history hated by many Native Americans because of his cruel treatment of them. This may be why 'Columbus' has shown up as a clue left at the scene of drownings. Columbus also represents the "white man's" takeover of Native American lands. Because of this, Columbus would also be hated by a Snyder-type cult.

They know columbus was claiming the earth for the catholic church, they have just enough knowledge to be dangerous to thmselves in the area of spiritual matters, as they have grown up with their heads full of catholic mysticism which is full of blood and pagan symbolysm and teachings, they pecieve this as christianity and also as the prevailing force responsible for the creation and backing of the establishment and society they have totally rejected.
Inlike manner if they came from a catholic family background they would be growing up in a area full of the seemingly contradictory influences of the stern moral front of the catholic diocese mixed with visual evidence and eventual influence of the liberal occultism that is actively promoted in the modern world that they believe to be christian.
They themselves seperated the occult as the exposure of the catholic church and a way of mocking it.
This is a common theme within all satanism the direct method of perveting and opposing the mistaken ideas of catholicism.

The roots of satanism are directly traced to the hidden work of the vatican
this they do not know.
If they knew they would not have killed.
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"...or killers were born into CATHOLIC FAMILIES."

yep, thats what im thinking too..
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It is more than highly likey
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If they're anti-capitalist, they should be killing MBA students, not med students. Or better yet, Wall Street executives! (just kidding....)



From what has been written the main thing that they are ANTI is obviously antichrist and what they pecieve falsley as western christian civilisation- they are following the grumblings of a beat poet type anti establishment poet who drank up eastern and native american philospophies out of guilt for his own perception of the greed of so called decadent western christianised society.

Ofcourse all this is just a high minded intellectual and the killers think radical reasonable justification for the real motive of the crimes which is plain bloodlust.

The killers want ART FAME



I worded the above wrong
I mean the main thing they are anti IS CHRIST. They and their whole phsycology is routed in a complete rejection and snobbish bias opposing what they see as a western christianised society.
They thrive on satanic interlectualism and they want to express and justify everything through ART.
THEY WANT TO BE FAMOUS FOR CREATING A NEW ART MOVEMENT.
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In Duluth, near the smiley face is the word "Ugly" with the "U" being red and shaped like a horseshoe and the rest of the word being gray color. The Ohio State University colors are gray and red and their stadium is called "The Horseshoe" because of its "U" shape. Their stadium looks like a big red "U", just like the one at Chester Creek in Duluth."

This is another clue to the interlectual snobbery of an ARTISTS MIND- They are sneering that they find the architecture of the college football stadium UN-BEAUTIFUL
NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND SO UGLY-

IT REMINDS ME OF A COMMENT PRINCE CHARLES OF WALES MADE CONCERNING CERTAIN PEICE OF ARCHITECTURE IN ENGLAND INFRONT OF AN AUDIENCE OF ARCHITECHS- SOME OF WHOM WHO WERE RESPONSILBE FOR BUILDING IT- THEY ALL POLITLEY APLAUDED HIM.

HOW ARROGENT IS THAT?
HMM The Knights of Columbus?
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From the understanding of the very ANTI -CHRIST rejection of society and establishment and the fascination of the EASERN AND NATIVE EARTH PAGAN RELGIONS I make an educated guess the killer or killers were born into CATHOLIC FAMILIES.

Christopher Columbus is a person in U.S. history hated by many Native Americans because of his cruel treatment of them. This may be why 'Columbus' has shown up as a clue left at the scene of drownings. Columbus also represents the "white man's" takeover of Native American lands. Because of this, Columbus would also be hated by a Snyder-type cult.

They know columbus was claiming the earth for the catholic church, they have just enough knowledge to be dangerous to thmselves in the area of spiritual matters, as they have grown up with their heads full of catholic mysticism which is full of blood and pagan symbolysm and teachings, they pecieve this as christianity and also as the prevailing force responsible for the creation and backing of the establishment and society they have totally rejected.
Inlike manner if they came from a catholic family background they would be growing up in a area full of the seemingly contradictory influences of the stern moral front of the catholic diocese mixed with visual evidence and eventual influence of the liberal occultism that is actively promoted in the modern world that they believe to be christian.
They themselves seperated the occult as the exposure of the catholic church and a way of mocking it.
This is a common theme within all satanism the direct method of perveting and opposing the mistaken ideas of catholicism.

The roots of satanism are directly traced to the hidden work of the vatican
this they do not know.
If they knew they would not have killed.
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You have a very good insight there.

The word/name "Loree" was found on a scene next to a smiley face. Do you have a take on that or is it just a plain name signed by a perpetrator?
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"You can't see what you're not looking for."

This is refering to a spiritual matter and it is again said in mockery thinking those that are of Christ will not look in the right place or those Looking for God in General will not LOOK IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

They think no one will LOOK AT WHAT IS VISIBLE
THEY WORSHIP THE VISIBLE
THEIR GOD IS THE EARTH.
OR TO BE MORE CORRECT THEIR GODDESS IS THE EARTH.
THAT IS WHY THEY MOCK

"You can't see what you're not looking for."
They think everyone is not looking at their earth they think everyone neglets to take it into account and wont even think to look for it when its right their under their feet.

This ofcourse is a thesis based uponknowledge of their blasphemous belief system. They are a true product of christendom the catholic world the vatican created.
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"You can't see what you're not looking for."

This is refering to a spiritual matter and it is again said in mockery thinking those that are of Christ will not look in the right place or those Looking for God in General will not LOOK IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

They think no one will LOOK AT WHAT IS VISIBLE
THEY WORSHIP THE VISIBLE
THEIR GOD IS THE EARTH.
OR TO BE MORE CORRECT THEIR GODDESS IS THE EARTH.
THAT IS WHY THEY MOCK

"You can't see what you're not looking for."
They think everyone is not looking at their earth they think everyone neglets to take it into account and wont even think to look for it when its right their under their feet.

This ofcourse is a thesis based uponknowledge of their blasphemous belief system. They are a true product of christendom the catholic world the vatican created.
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I understand what you are saying.
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An interesting fact about the bloodhound that located the scent of Josh in Collegeville, Minnesota and Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, is that the scents of both victims were tracked to a Catholic church on the St. Johns campus in Collegeville. This campus has a Knights of Columbus chapter."

This may radically change the thesis in the sense THEY ARE THE VATICAN doing as theyt do and not as they teach the world they do.

In other words everything else is correct in my thesis on them but they are the vaticans servents UNVIELED for what the vatican is publicly NOW preaching.
the vatican are now politically involved in the SAVING OF MOTHER EARTH AND IN PROMOTION OF EASTERN AND ETHNIC PAGANISM.
THEY ALSO HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON WITH EVEN IN THE THESIS OF THEM ACTING AS A LONE REBELLIOUS GROUP

THEY BOTH HATE CHRISIANS AND ARE TRULY ANTI CHRIST

They both serve the ARTIST AS DIVINE
They both embrace all faiths opposing christ.
they both claim to be seperate from the world when infact they BOTH ARE RULING IT.
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Yes, its obvious..
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An interesting fact about the bloodhound that located the scent of Josh in Collegeville, Minnesota and Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, is that the scents of both victims were tracked to a Catholic church on the St. Johns campus in Collegeville. This campus has a Knights of Columbus chapter."

This may radically change the thesis in the sense THEY ARE THE VATICAN doing as theyt do and not as they teach the world they do.

In other words everything else is correct in my thesis on them but they are the vaticans servents UNVIELED for what the vatican is publicly NOW preaching.
the vatican are now politically involved in the SAVING OF MOTHER EARTH AND IN PROMOTION OF EASTERN AND ETHNIC PAGANISM.
THEY ALSO HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON WITH EVEN IN THE THESIS OF THEM ACTING AS A LONE REBELLIOUS GROUP

THEY BOTH HATE CHRISIANS AND ARE TRULY ANTI CHRIST

They both serve the ARTIST AS DIVINE
They both embrace all faiths opposing christ.
they both claim to be seperate from the world when infact they BOTH ARE RULING IT.
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This idea is not token it is the norm.

Haitian practioners of voodoo are blessed by the vatican -they incorporate magig with catholic idols.
the last pope blesses the koran as being the word of God-even the it directly mentions Jesus as not the son of God

The popes make pilgramige to witdocotrs in asia africa india and recieve pagan blesslings.
It is long held but still SECRET that the vatican conducts satanism in secret.
Anyone with a true understandinf of the Turth of Christ will see they dont need to actual show anymore than their above listed assocaitions with demonicly inspired doctrines that were designed to decieve the various enthnic groups involved in the various pagan relgious practices listed above.
The vatican promotes in some cases funds and even ressurected some of the above. THE VATICAN PLAINLY HAVE AND DO NURTURE THE OCCULT IN EVERY RESPECT WETHER IT BE OLD LADIES DOING SEANCES OR PYHSCICS ON TV OR WITCH DOCTORS OR ISLAM OR TEENAGERS BEING ENTICED TO WICCANS COVENS.
PUBLICLY THEY WOULD DENY AND PUBLICLY THEY PROMOTE.
ONLY A FOOL CAN MISS IT INFACT........

"YOU CANT SEE WHAT YOUR NOT LOOKING FOR"- This is the only hope of concealment but the vatican have moved to a postion of purposeful outright exposing themselves but still some do not see because they wouldnt think to look.
to them it is an unthinkcable suggestion.
but it is seen if you look.
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It all makes sense.. I always thought these murders were too "sophisticated"
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the babylon paganism of the catholic church is FULL OF HIGH ART IN RITUAL AND SYMBOL
THEY USE IDOLS AS DIVINE GREAT PAINTINGS TO RENDER HISTORIC BIBLICAL EVENTS IMPOTENET OF THE TRUE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT CAUSED THEM TO HAPPEN.
EVERYTHING IS HELD ON CANVAS AS RELICS OF A FORGOTTEN ERA,
PURPOSELFULLY.
IN OTHER WORDS THEY TRY TO POLLUTE MENS SPIRITUAL LIFE THROUGH THE IMAGINATION OF THE EYE GATE CLSING ANY HOPE OF REAL SPIRITUAL LIFEE BEING ENFUSED BY THE WORD OF GOD

THEY EVEN BANNED THE BIBLE AT ONE PERIOD BUT NOW DISTRACT BY OTHER TEACHINGS9 CATECHISM0 AND WORLDLY PRONOUNCEMENTS THEY SQAURE THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS IF IT IS HELD IN THE INTERESTS OF THIS WORLDS AFFAIRS.

WHEN INFACT IT IS TOTALY SEPERATE AND HOLY SEPARATE FROM THE KINDOM OF THEIR WORLD THEY HAVE RULED FOR CENTURIES BUT THEY WORK TO CONCEAL THIS FROM MEANS HAERT BY IMAGES AND FALSE TEACHINGS.
THE USE OF ART IS PRIMARY IN THE DECEPETION AND ILLUSION OF MODERN SOCIETY BOTH HISTORICALLY IN RELGION AND NOW IN INTELECTUAL FOLLY AND POLITICAL ARGUMENT.
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the babylon paganism of the catholic church is FULL OF HIGH ART IN RITUAL AND SYMBOL
THEY USE IDOLS AS DIVINE GREAT PAINTINGS TO RENDER HISTORIC BIBLICAL EVENTS IMPOTENET OF THE TRUE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT CAUSED THEM TO HAPPEN.
EVERYTHING IS HELD ON CANVAS AS RELICS OF A FORGOTTEN ERA,
PURPOSELFULLY.
IN OTHER WORDS THEY TRY TO POLLUTE MENS SPIRITUAL LIFE THROUGH THE IMAGINATION OF THE EYE GATE CLSING ANY HOPE OF REAL SPIRITUAL LIFEE BEING ENFUSED BY THE WORD OF GOD

THEY EVEN BANNED THE BIBLE AT ONE PERIOD BUT NOW DISTRACT BY OTHER TEACHINGS9 CATECHISM0 AND WORLDLY PRONOUNCEMENTS THEY SQAURE THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS IF IT IS HELD IN THE INTERESTS OF THIS WORLDS AFFAIRS.

WHEN INFACT IT IS TOTALY SEPERATE AND HOLY SEPARATE FROM THE KINDOM OF THEIR WORLD THEY HAVE RULED FOR CENTURIES BUT THEY WORK TO CONCEAL THIS FROM MEANS HAERT BY IMAGES AND FALSE TEACHINGS.
THE USE OF ART IS PRIMARY IN THE DECEPETION AND ILLUSION OF MODERN SOCIETY BOTH HISTORICALLY IN RELGION AND NOW IN INTELECTUAL FOLLY AND POLITICAL ARGUMENT.
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The various satanic cults the catholic church secretly ran and run are no strangers to the use of pop art either- the vatican truly created modern society science and ART
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The Test: You can’t see what you’re not looking for

Posted by Jonathan Maus (Editor) on March 12th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Still from “Do the Test”.
Watch video below

There’s an interesting PSA spreading around the web like wildfire.

The “Awareness Test” was created by Transport of London as part of their cycle safety campaign.

Check it out at DoTheTest.co.uk (you can skip the intro), or watch the YouTube version below (thanks DanK!). I failed the test, but the message came through crystal clear.

The above is highly unlikely as an explantion for the kryptic phrase
OTHER THAN LONDON COULD HAVE BEEN THE DESIRED LINK

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