Army humvees (HMMWV) sightings: Western PA in back streets

I will try to get photos,of the roadblock stuff. Since it takes place on a road, where it is NOT posted that cameras will be confiscated. I dont know if it is worth the risk or not. The photos will probably just be mocked, and I will have taken a great risk.
If it is feasible, I may try. If I get them, I will post them. But,then what? I dont want to waste my time trying to defend them. Its gonna be a take it or leave it thing.
I hope I havent all ready over stepped my bounds, or put anyone in danger.
Thanks for listening.
Signed: Just an ignorant,dumb civilian,wanting to mind my own business, but sometimes find that I just cannot.

Um, excuse me but, this "Pamela Schuffert", from RumorMills.com

[link to www.Gas_oven.com]

She/he posts this same damn message across forums everywhere, mostly Bible-thumoing sites, a few conspiracy sites ..... and Stormfront

But, it's on the Interwebbydoohickything, so it MUST be TRUE !!

Enough with the altruistic Riley Ace of Spies stuff.

If the road is on the base, it's "their" road. They can do as they doubledamnwell please. Once you are on the post/base, you are on the post/base. Different rules apply--base/post rules. It is a US as in FEDERAL INSTALLATION. You are NOT at the mall, the beach, your kid's swimming meet, or Disney. Act accordingly.

This is not a game. Our service personnel do not "play army (or any other branch)"; they live it. It is not just a job, it's a vocation and, for many if not most, an answer to a Higher Calling. Most take their work and mission seriously. The base/post is where they work. I have never entered or left a base anywhere that I did not have to go through a gate/checkpoint. MOst buildings/areas are restricted to one degree or another. Security checks are the norm. You need a badge/ID/codes/orders to get in/out. Same as many factories, stores, schools, the AIRPORT. Get over it.

I am not allowed to take flash photos of the paintings in my local art museum. I cannot use and sometimes cannot possess insiode the venue a camera or recording device--including a camera-equipped cell phone--at concerts. I am not allowed to venture beyond the ropes/chains/fences/doors marked "restricted area" or "no public admittance" under penalty of law (trespassing) at the mall, grocery store, community college, county courthouse. If I persist, it becomes criminal trespassing. I understand and comply. I have ZERO points on my driver's license because I have exactly NO infractions or tickets. Still I am stopped at sobriety and other "random" checkpoints on public roads. The benefits certainly outweigh any inconvenience to me. Again, I understand why and I comply.

Why some civilians have an incessant need to "spy on" and "expose" the military is beyond me. If you really want to know what goes on "inside" then enlist. Free uniforms, travel, training, meals, health and dental care. The pay may not be what you would like, but you get to satisfy that curiosity. Priceless. Oh, and they even give you a nice K-pot for your head. Tinfoil does not hold up so well in Basic and beyond.

The road block, with the taliban looking dressed people, was on a Public accesable road. It does lead to the Fort, however it is NOT on the Fort. It is disgruntling to see it. The Average American civilian is not used to this stuff out in the open....... if it is some of the guys training for deployment, well, ok. But, why ARENT they doing this ON THE BASE>?
I dont care to be some sort of SPY as you call it either. I feel very uncomfortable about all of it. Your response to my post is very unsettling as well. You are acting very defensive? Why?

I am sorry if I have disgruntled you, but, what I wrote is the truth. I thought I would share it on here, as it seemed to be part of the flow of thought.
I do not know if it means anything............... but, it is/was unsettleing to see.
As for the TS construction, that is true as well.

Everyone that works there is suspicious and curious as to why the BIG secret. Also, why are undocumented aliens (as in Mexican illegals) working on our TS Military bases?
They could be ANYONE! This is also a truth.
You can beleive it or not, but I will NOT waste my time here by being called a SPY or whatever else you think this is to me. Your belittlement is very immature and defensive.
I wonder why?
People are saying......this building is a prision or internment camp. Its unsettling wondering what in the world they are going to use it for..............
I think in all due respect, that you shouldnt be so defensive and ready to shoot someone down with your anger.
If I am a fool, oh well, SO WHAT.
However, you are acting just like the people that try to supress the truth from the average American citizen.

Just my 2 cents worth....sorry if I have wasted my time on you.

Pictures of HMMWV (National Guard Hummer) stationed in Pittsburgh PA neighborhood.

near by rear (shows rear end marking, 28ID/28X and HQ-45)
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Inside from rear (communications equipment viewable)
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Up close right side (general picture)
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From above (porch picture)
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I also knocked on their door. The occupant of home I was at came with me. We were going to say hello and offer them to dinner one night. I still have my old dependent military ID and was going to chit-chat about the service and how great it was growing up in a military family. I was rigged with a cheap but effective recorder. BUT, no answer so maybe another time.

I have friends that will also take pictures of the other ones in the area. I do not have the gas or the time to drive all over the city. Those pics will be available as soon as I get them.



Anyone else who notices this please provide pics and whatever details you can. I would like to get a compilation of locations hoping to provide a detailed map of deployment.

Keep in mind though, I do not know what the objective is. They may be doing something good for us all and I DO NOT want to place them in any risk or potential of failure.

Especially if the operation regards saving lives or preservation of civil liberties, ect.

So keep that in mind everyone. Do not cause any harm or exposure of position in detail as to cause failure of operation. We must first find out if the operation is for 'good' intentions.

If the operation is going to remove important liberties or civil rights as citizens, I suggest peaceful media action. Expose the threat to make it go away, for now.

We all must do our best to find out if this is OK! Like amny have stated, it is NOT casual for this vehicle to be parked where it is. IT IS on a operation.

God Bless

OP?

THIS may be your answer or at least part of it.

Police prepare for unrest
By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 10/21/08 07:58 PM [ET]
Police departments in cities across the country are beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for possible civil unrest and riots after the historic presidential contest.

Public safety officials said in interviews with The Hill that the election, which will end with either the nation’s first black president or its first female vice president, demanded a stronger police presence.



Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors.

[link to thehill.com]

We are no threat, trust me. Unless we are massing troops, arming with weapons and training, we are a fly on the wall.

They probably won't do a thing. Unless you actually pose a threat, which I doubt.

Trust in your Lord. WHat ever faith you are, trust in it. We know bad days are coming to an end soon. The Golden Age of man is near.

Interesting because the areas the Hummers are located are semi-poverty. I live in a good neighborhood. This specific hummer is a short drive away but is in an area 'known' for crack, crime and racial violence. The others are the same.

Mt Oliver (poverty)
Northside (poverty)
Shadyside (poverty)
Beechview (poverty)
South Side (poverty)
Brentwood (middle class)
Carrick (lower/middle class)
Mt Washington (lower/middle class)

and a few more I forget, I'm not racking my brain right now. But the trend is lower class neighborhoods.

ing pics

It's just routine, some people make a big fuss about nothing. Now go back to sleep.

you don't realize the legalities involved.

Active military vehicles ARE NOT casually parked in neighborhoods. It simply is NOT done. The ONLY reason it could be placed there is for an active operation.

Basically said...someone authorized it to be there. And that authorization has a purpose, i.e. a real operation.

The question is what operation?

in fact, this may qualify for a pin.

This is REAL and with the elections so close, it seems ominous. The military would not prepare for something unlikely to happen.

Mods, consider a pin. Not for my own gratitude, but for awareness. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!

People need to be aware!

Information 28th Infantry Division

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The 28th Infantry Division is a unit of the United States Army and is the oldest division-sized unit in the armed forces of the United States.[1][2] The division was officially established in 1879 and was later redesignated as the 28th Division in 1917, at the outset of the First World War. It continues its service today as part of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard.

It is nicknamed the "Keystone Division," as it was formed from units of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard; Pennsylvania is known as the "Keystone State." It was also nicknamed the "Bloody Bucket" division by German forces during the Second World War due to its red insignia. It was the Army division in the film When Trumpets Fade, a movie about the battle at Huertgen Forest. The 28th is the first National Guard division to field the Stryker infantry fighting vehicle, as part of the Army's modern transformation.

In 1996, after the signing of the Dayton Agreement, some units of the divisional artillery were called up to serve as peacekeeping forces in Bosnia; elements of the 28th served in Bosnia as peacekeepers for several years following this. In 2002, the 28th Division took command of the Northern Brigade Task Force (Task Force Eagle), as part of the NATO peacekeeping mission in Bosnia as part of SFOR 12. The leading combat arms units under the 28th while in Bosnia were the 109th Infantry and the 104th Cavalry. The division was the third reserve component division headquarters to take on this role in Bosnia (previously the Army National Guard's 49th and 29th Divisions had commanded Task Force Eagle).

In 2003, the 28th Division again led the NATO peacekeeping mission in Kosovo as part of KFOR 5A for a 9-month rotation. The 28th was the first reserve component division headquarters to take on this role in Kosovo. Later in 2005, elements of the 28th Division would again return to Kosovo as part of KFOR 6B, the first year-long rotation by U.S. troops to the region.

During the "Global War on Terror" following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US the Keystone Division has provided troops for Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Noble Eagle and - most significantly - several thousand troops for Operation Iraqi Freedom. Company A, 28th Signal Battalion deployed to Iraq in February 2004. The 1st Battalion, 103rd Armor and 1st Battalion, 109th Field Artillery deployed to Iraq in November 2004. The division's 2nd Brigade Combat Team deployed to Iraq for a year-long rotation in July 2005. Elements of the division would again return in 2006 and revolving deployments to Iraq seem likely in the future. The 56th Stryker Brigade Combat Team (SBCT) will deploy in 2008 to Iraq.[4]

They are a skilled force. Look at there combat history in recent days. They served as peace keeping forces in Bosnia and had several deployments to Iraq.

This is a well hardened division. Not some candy ass force which needs training. They are well enough trained so there placement is even more ominous.

If we had more pics, yes pin it.

Could it be that we are on the brink of Martial law?

What if King Bush decides to invoke those 'special' executive privileges?

I thought about that. We may not be able to stop it, but being aware is our right, a civil responsibility.

YES!! My point exactly. People need to be aware! Not every crack means the sky is falling, but,to not be aware, and asking questions, and thinking....... thats settling for sure defeat.

There is also a horrible phenomenom drifting through our military. Murder and suicide.
Soldiers coming home from deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan are in a different frame of mind. Just last week, one young man was drinking in the barracks at Fort Bragg, and shot himself in the head while playing Russian Roulette. His friends said that he wanted to die...and hoped he would get the bullet.
Another soldier, Staff SGT took his wife on an evening stroll around their neighborhood. His PFC buddy was waiting in the nearby woods. When they neared the area where he was hiding, he lept out and stabbed the SGT's wife numerous times in the neck. She laid there in her traitor husbands arms and bled out. Imagine what her last thoughts were.... the betrayal of her husband, recognizing the face of the attacker (one of husbands friends) the pain, the horror of it all...........all by the hand of our supposide military, the very men that have vowed to protect and die for the Country and Citizens of USA.
What is going on/? Fort Bragg has had a slew of these types of events........and I dont think it is all just chocked up to PTSD either. Some soldiers say that they hear a voice in their head telling them to kill...killl, killl until they cant stand it anymore.
We are NOT safe in USA. You are a fool if you think otherwise. As for those parked humvees, why doesnt someone just push it out of there...call a tow truck....let the air out of the tires...... WHY ARE THE CITIZENS PASSIVELY ALLOWING THIS? You should be calling the paper, telling everyone on the internet, make a BIG deal about it.
They are not there for some future event...... The military does not leave their vehicles unmanned, especially loaded with equipment inside.
Something is really wrong here.

Try opening the door of the HUMVEE....and actually looking at the equipment. I bet someone will respond pretty quickly! Then you can ask them why they are planting military vehicles all over the city, and why they are intimidating citizens?
IF a riot broke out, they will come in with force..with armoured vechicles and riot gear, not a little humvee like that one in the pic.
It is a recon vehicle....But, it shouldnt be there, let alone unmanned. Maybe it has been stolen. In any regards, someone should move it. The Army should be notified. And, the News paper called.

Time to get out your city streets map and take a walk or drive. "Pick a HMMWV and then work outward and around in concentric circles (don't go in circles around the HMMWV, use the city streets! lol) or a grid. Plot the locations. See if there is a pattern.

Where are the troops? The Mil does NOT just park these things and walk away from them. An individual is responsible for each vehicle and whatever is inside it. This seems weirder by the moment--highly something. But what?

Last week and the week before there were several threads about a marked increase in military aircraft fights over areas where this is not customary. I dunno. I just dunno.

I call BS until it is confirmed with a PIC of another humvee in a different area.

Chances are poster saw 1 and has come up with this great story. The best lies are the ones right in front of you.

more pics are on their way. I know of 14 hummers, most were reported by friends/family but keep in mind, one of those persons is highly respectable and served the Navy for 16+ years. The other few I trust and that is all that matters to me.

besides, we KNOW the hummer is NOT supposed to be there, PERIOD. One is as bad as 50.

So far we have pics of one (1) vehicle. Also why would it be left vacant for possible vandalism? This really doesn't make any sense and many conclusions can be made from this whole post.

I haven't seen anything unusual here in DFW recently.

Darned good point. Why is this thing sitting there looking like a sore thumb. Now that does not make sense.

like I said, just ONE HMMWV stationed outside of base for several days in the same place is suspicious.

At the moment I can only prove of one via pics but sit tight, more pics are coming.

Also, I had remembered yesterday a camo truck with cloth tent cover in the back was parked at the borough police station a week or so ago. (memory isn't clear on time but I am sure of it) 1-2-3 weeks I saw it there.

What was that doing there? Obviously transporting troops, persons or equipment. It wasn't a simple meeting, a casual vehicle would be used for that, even phone call.

Something was delivered to the police station from the military.

Nothing but more speculation. Let's see, I believe they hand delivered a very important letter.

look at the training and real time combat experience the 28th ID has received.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The mission of the 2/28 BCT was to neutralize the insurgency and develop Iraqi Security Forces within the area of operations in order to create stable and secure conditions and allow for self-governance. The BCT conducted counterinsurgency operations to kill or detain insurgents, to locate weapons caches, to detect improvised explosive devices (IEDs), to engage in on-going dialogue with community and government leaders, to recruit, train and integrate Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police, and to conduct civil affairs projects to improve sewer, water, energy, medical and school facilities.

ah but, speculation of something.

'Something' had occurred then. 'Something' is occurring now.

But what. Anything that could be handled by police would be. Same with local politicians, ect.

What was it that required military escort of an active duty truck? What is required of the HMMWV?

Surely it is something the local government is not allowed to or capable of handling personally.

I still say, call it out. Open the door,and play them at their own game. You all are acting like sitting ducks....wondering, carefully trotting around this vehicle,posting about it on here..................
Take some action.
Call the News.... and before they can arrive, open the door, look around inside the vehicle, play the worried citizen..... let the news expose the story. The local news should...if they dont, you really have a bigger problem than you imagined, and maybe you should move away from that neighborhood.
You cant bother the vehicle at the police station, but you sure can nosey around the vehicle in your neighborhood.

If NO ONE is coming to this vehicle for some time, it shouldnt be there! What are the local parking rules, limits, etc. for a vehicle to be parked in a local neighborhood like this/?
Call the city, a tow truck something!
I am pretty sure someone will come around pretty fast, and then the news can talk to them.

The same thing happened in Arizona. The Marines had posted a soldier standing alongside a freeway overpass, guarding the Marines that were using their bulldozers to clear out salt cedar trees along the Colorado River, on Native reservation land? I actually stopped my car, got out, and asked that soldier just what he was pointing his gun at/>?
I asked him why he felt the need to be holding a loaded M!^ or whatever it was, and intimidating citizens? I asked him if and when he intended to shoot it, and at whom? A citizen?
I then got out my cell phone and called the local newspaper. IT was frontpage headlines the next morning.
The explanation was vague of course, but I never saw another troop doing that again in that area, despite the ongoing bulldozing. You HAVE to let them know, that YOU KNOW!
The military is pushing its limits to the very edge. I hardly see anyone (citizens) doing anything about it except complain on some conspiracy website.
I apparently was the ONLY person to confront this soldier, and the only person in a city of well over 100,000. to bring it to light, to exposure,and accountability.
Our military is suppose to be working FOR US, not against us. WE are the reason they exist............. I thought?
If you value your personal freedom, then whoever it is that is seeing these vehicles in city streets in a residential setting with no soldier around, should bring as much attention to it as possible.

I still say, call it out. Open the door,and play them at their own game. You all are acting like sitting ducks....wondering, carefully trotting around this vehicle,posting about it on here..................
Take some action.
Call the News.... and before they can arrive, open the door, look around inside the vehicle, play the worried citizen..... let the news expose the story. The local news should...if they dont, you really have a bigger problem than you imagined, and maybe you should move away from that neighborhood.
You cant bother the vehicle at the police station, but you sure can nosey around the vehicle in your neighborhood.

If NO ONE is coming to this vehicle for some time, it shouldnt be there! What are the local parking rules, limits, etc. for a vehicle to be parked in a local neighborhood like this/?
Call the city, a tow truck something!
I am pretty sure someone will come around pretty fast, and then the news can talk to them.

The same thing happened in Arizona. The Marines had posted a soldier standing alongside a freeway overpass, guarding the Marines that were using their bulldozers to clear out salt cedar trees along the Colorado River, on Native reservation land? I actually stopped my car, got out, and asked that soldier just what he was pointing his gun at/>?
I asked him why he felt the need to be holding a loaded M!^ or whatever it was, and intimidating citizens? I asked him if and when he intended to shoot it, and at whom? A citizen?
I then got out my cell phone and called the local newspaper. IT was frontpage headlines the next morning.
The explanation was vague of course, but I never saw another troop doing that again in that area, despite the ongoing bulldozing. You HAVE to let them know, that YOU KNOW!
The military is pushing its limits to the very edge. I hardly see anyone (citizens) doing anything about it except complain on some conspiracy website.
I apparently was the ONLY person to confront this soldier, and the only person in a city of well over 100,000. to bring it to light, to exposure,and accountability.
Our military is suppose to be working FOR US, not against us. WE are the reason they exist............. I thought?
If you value your personal freedom, then whoever it is that is seeing these vehicles in city streets in a residential setting with no soldier around, should bring as much attention to it as possible.

Dude, I am acting and not sitting on my ass. I have more pictures coming, I am making a stink online. When more locations are photoed and pin pointed with specific addresses, the media WILL be notified and soon. If I act now and point out 1, 2 or 3 HMMWV's, it may not be investigated. To prevent a 'FAIL' I am organizing a plan. Parts of it which I will not disclose yet.

Plus, I had actually wired my self with a recorder and went upi to the house where the suspected operators are residing but no answer.

But as far as tampering with the vehicle, no way. I am not going to sit in a cell while my wife gives birth to my son.

Do me a favor....just stay the hell away from there, don't go taking pictures of an off-limits area on Bragg..jeeze. You say you want to mind your own business...please do so.