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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376196
 United States
10/23/2008 3:42 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
What saddens me the most is the CHILDREN. The innocent children that are now being brought up in this. Screw those fat cat wall street jackasses or those narrasistic models, or LA drama queens. It is the CHILDREN that I worry about the most and pray for. |
| NM
User ID: 366812
 Canada
10/23/2008 7:09 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Web bots suck.
See ya. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 533205
 Germany
10/23/2008 11:49 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
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| Michigan mom
User ID: 82727
 Europe
10/24/2008 6:20 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Markets crackk today? Dow futures on lockdown at -550 |
| Michigan Mom
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
10/24/2008 8:06 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Also forgot to mention that the "test" language for January 26 is NOT dependent on who wins the election. Thought I would clarify that. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
10/24/2008 11:15 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
What is the bulk of the info that we have regarding a false flag attack happening either this month or next month? Just curious as it seems to be popping up in the media a lot lately. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 269684
United States
10/24/2008 1:31 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
What is the bulk of the info that we have regarding a false flag attack happening either this month or next month? Just curious as it seems to be popping up in the media a lot lately. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 418693
THAT's what I want to know... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 269684
United States
10/24/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
any one know? |
| Whee! 8D.qc.ca
User ID: 533604
Canada
10/24/2008 5:09 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
wrong about 10/7
hey are 
Who said it would be VISIBLE?
Did you look toward the right direction?
The world woud be a thousand times better place if your silly cults didnt exist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673558
Searching the undebunkable.
[French Quebecker!] |
| Whee! 8D.qc.ca
User ID: 533604
Canada
10/24/2008 5:26 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
I just finished reading all 97 pages of ALTA report 709.
The general picture is a complete collapse of the markets this fall and winter followed by death of the dollar in spring 2009 with a collapse of consumer spending in November of 2007 and more bad continuing bad news in the financial markets throughout the period . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
Highly possible
This will be the cause of the Revolution which will begin to take root this year and will be worldwide and will focus against TPTB. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
Normal human reaction -> highly possible
Attacks and killing of religious leaders in December as a result of the TPTB attempting to coopt the leaders to control their congregations for the benefit of TPTB. Church and Synogoge burnings were hinted at. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
Highly possible. And then, what will be left?
If this happens, we can expect the churches and all the mass religions to touch the bottom end.
People who were usually blind fated will fall off their cloud as they will lose confidence in those who were supposed to be right and "sinless". They will wake up to reality and this will shake them a lot.
This will be the perfect time to show them that they will be way better if they think by themselves : that the belief supermarket is open to them so they can go shop for new and more diversified beliefs that were not available in the speciality belief store where they used to go.
Deliberate food poisonings by foodmakers in December leading to revenge killings of those involved by enraged relatives of the deceased. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
NORMAL human reaction. Foodmakers could decide to do this because TPTB wanted them to do so : Less people is easier to control.
Terra event December 10 and 12. Could be quake locus pacific Northwest. Possible volcano. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
Highly possible, again
The paradigm shift that commenced October 7 will result in a increasing and widespread anger at TPTB who will have to have bodygaurds. A viral video of a TPTB higher up followed by an assasination the next week will result in a law making it a felony to have a camera Alex Jones style around TPTB personnel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
Hell yes, we can expect that too! Paparazzis will shift their attention from stars to TPTB personnel as it's SURE that this is what will get the MOST attention, as it's what people will want to see, way more than Paris Hilton's crap!
Here's a real wild one: After the food shortages start, bankers will be hunted down and barbequed (eaten) by angry mobs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
LOL funny.
Increase in UFO sightings later in this year. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
Let's just hope that bluebeam is BS.
Self Organizing Collectives where people band together and start new self sufficient communities to weather the storm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
I can't wait for that to happen!
Those are just a few.
Fascinating stuff.
I'm going to have to re-read it tonight.
If you can spare the $280 membership fee which gives you the next run (after that its $70 per run) its well worth it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 532626
If you can provide us more insider info, it would be great.
Thanks!
The world woud be a thousand times better place if your silly cults didnt exist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673558
Searching the undebunkable.
[French Quebecker!] |
| Michigan Mom
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
10/29/2008 8:18 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Just wanted to share a snippet from Half Past Human:
Just as there's never been a "war coming' that didn't telegraph its approach, so too, if you've been reading just ever-so-slightly away from the mainstream, there's been a building case that the current set of events could turn into a crap-stew of the first order.
So, despite the likelihood that the market will rally today, as my friend Robin Landry pointed out in his update that I posted yesterday (and we chatted about by phone) the market hasn't yet completed the 'fourth wave' which means the 'fifth wave down' is still to come.
Translation? I mean if you've been too lazy to learn about Elliott Wave Theory, boils down to an outlook that plays something like this - which fits with the linguistic outlook:
* Short term, the market completes a long '4'. Now, in Elliott Waves, your got waves of three and five 'steps' (impulsive and corrective, too, just to make it a little harder to figure). We could see a rally up to the 8,900 level before we turn back down again under this count.
* Then we get a bloody awful Wave 5 down to complete the first down of a larger degree. In other words, the coming low (5,800 by Landry's work, February/March linguistically for the end of the hugely ugly economic crapstorm).
* Linguistically, we may enter into this decline almost any day with a stop/resting point around Nov. 14th, but that's not 'good news' because we could have complete market closures in there.
* Then we could get a bounce. The bounce might take us back over 10,000 by some ways, maybe even 11,000. But then, perhaps a year out, we collapse to Dow 770.
The key 'state-change' is that
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Lessinger has been right about rural real estate being the place to be for now.
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Kunstler's been right - government is playing a "Long Emergency" mindset to "protect us"
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Don Christensen was right about mutual funds (wait till you get your next statement after the declines start figuring into your net worth).
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Gray Cardiff's work (with John Wesley) about the Housing Bubble, apparent even in 1978 when they were doing their research) has been prescient, even if it went beyond what seemed possible back then.
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The Fed is still a 'banker's club' looking out for bankers at the very tippy top, which is why banks are getting free money and just regular folks are still getting foreclosed and what little disposable discretionary spending is being stolen back via lowered credit card limits and stingy lenders..
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Robert Kaplan's anarchy is obvious around the fringes now; fringes being places like Darfur, Somalia, and of late, Nigeria and Sri Lanka.
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Orlov is right, the West is not even as well prepared for economic calamity as the Soviet Union was.
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And Tainter may be right - the once-humorous signs on cubicle walls "The harder I work, the behinder I get" is coming to life with heretofore unfathomable truth, pushing people to just say "Screw this..." and look for other "outs" than staying in the 'mainstream game."
Against this backdrop, the predictive linguistics work at www.halfpasthuman.com should be especially interesting as the new data run cranks up - with a first posting expected this weekend (subscription info here, $280 for the first 6-7 part run, and $70 for each subsequent run). This run will give us the first 'better look' at what's likely to shape up on the 'other side' of the "Summer from Hell" which is due this coming summer as the impacts of higher tax burdens slam the middle class because of how it's been 'necessary' to spend on wars and bail out bankers in order to keep the economy 'working' such as it is.
[link to www.urbansurvival.com]
If anyone is a subscriber please post a summary of the above mentioned report. |
| DanG
User ID: 479550
United States
10/29/2008 8:21 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
And Tainter may be right - the once-humorous signs on cubicle walls "The harder I work, the behinder I get" is coming to life with heretofore unfathomable truth, pushing people to just say "Screw this..." and look for other "outs" than staying in the 'mainstream game."
funny, just decided to invest in a new music/art store in the area... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
10/29/2008 9:52 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Here's a little bit more from Half Past Human's daily:
Meantime, the lack of adequate drug and substance abuse testing on Wall Street is becoming perfectly clear - obviously they have been partying waaaay too much with that $1.5 trillion of our taxpayer goodness: "Consumer Confidence Plunges to lowest on Record" pens the AP's Christopher Rugaber. But wait: His writing is waaaay better than the start's ability to read - the Dow persists up 100+ points.
But wait: It gets even better: I heard from a backdoor source this morning that a couple of big name US companies have been told by the Chinese they need to have something a little more solid than LC's in place if they want product. Oh-oh time: China wising up the paper-hanging scam and this economy is going below even the 5,800 Landry's talking about.
And in the middle of nowhere, the USDA production report out this morning drops US crop forecasts dramatically for beans and corn. Means less wampum for all that stuff made in Sinoland...and coupled with the Boeing strike the balance of trade should be thoroughly flushed by the time the Obamanation begins... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
10/29/2008 2:57 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
And Tainter may be right - the once-humorous signs on cubicle walls "The harder I work, the behinder I get" is coming to life with heretofore unfathomable truth, pushing people to just say "Screw this..." and look for other "outs" than staying in the 'mainstream game."
funny, just decided to invest in a new music/art store in the area... Quoting: DanG 479550
good luck!  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
11/3/2008 11:18 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Little Things, BIG Things, Next of the BOHICAN's
There was a note in the last Half Past Human ALTA report (or it may have been in a background briefing with Cliff) that there was some mention of a 'terrorist caught' or terrorist on the lamb kind of story out of Germany...seems it popped up in immediacy values in August or September sometime. This is one of those little stories that we often just look at the reports (which seem to do a better than chance job of looking at the future) and think "Oh, so this is what modelspace was telling us..." and go on. In this case, a "Wanted German Terrorist Surfaces on al Qaeda Video" didn't get much notice in the US, but the story nevertheless occurred.
I mention this because it's the little stuff - often not quite precisely right in some aspect, but appear at the appointed time, that keeps me so fascinated with the reports.
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With the latest HPH data gathering run underway, I have gotten a few emails from folks asking, in so many words, "What was the big deal about your October 7th date and why did I buy all this Top Ramen?"
The answer is both simple, yet complex: The model always tends to err on the side of 'extreme' for the reason that it seems to sense future media buzz...and the media buzz in the aftermath of a story is often much more emotional (sometimes almost hysterical at times) in tone, more than the actual event warrants, especially as a future events fades into future history. Also, I mentioned many times that October 7th was an 'around there" date.
So what good is the project? A lot, it turns out: Suppose you had decided to close out all stock positions a couple of trading days before the "October 7th" range. That would have meant closing out at Dow October 3 at 10,325. Then, if you had decided not to wade back in until three trading days after, you could have gotten back into the market well under Dow 8,000. A 20% swing to the downside is worth avoiding, I'd guess, and if the whole truth is revealed (and why not?), I managed to do fine in an S&P put in the period.
With the baseline report for the ALTA .report which will look out to about September of 2009 on the table, I don't think it would be unreasonable to divulge that around November 14th through Mid December when the 'twin quakes' pop up, we could be looking at another market slide of some seriousness, although be mindful the model doesn't predict markets or averages per se. Rather, it's more along the lines of 'things economic' and as such, the model seems to be saying "Holidays will be a real bummer" this year, although in much more articulate/archetypical values.
So, could the market make another slide down 20%? Maybe more...but it could be more generalized as in 'economic malaise settles over the world kind of thing. "Retailers brace for a gloomy Christmas" offers a headline from South Africa. Morgan Stanley has reportedly canceled Christmas parties, as the problems of Wall Street continue to simmer.
In Europe, The Scotsman's biz section forecasts "Christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat...but profits are lean." And by the model, gonna be not just lean, but more along the lines of an anorexic approaching death.
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Say - should mention that the 'rotten eggs' meme has been hanging around HPH modelspace for what, a year or so? Hence, with the report that "China official says tainted eggs 'isolated' case, I tend not to believe it and that the eggs aspect of the melamine problem seems likely to go extra large or maybe jumbo in public awareness...
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Getting back to the markets, the more or less constant stream of 'bottom-pickers' on the Cyclops in the living room has done its job: The market bounced last week. Likely we'll see the market react to tomorrow's election outcome and a whole passel of economic numbers, starting with construction spending today, factory orders and auto sales tomorrow. But the BIG day for the market (other than Wednesday reaction to the election outcome) will be Friday when the unemployment, hourly earnings, and consumer debt are all tabled for your number crunching/dining pleasure.
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The real stories - the really BIG ones that do make a difference in people's lives - generally move slowly and are macro-trends. An Indy Star blog offers that "Without trade, future would look bleaker", but it doesn't get into the guts of what shapes up as the end of global capitalism over the next couple of years and the result of that sea-state change on the world.
Over the next couple of weeks, we'll be watching again for the Port reports off the US west coast, but already if you know where to look, you can see the slide accelerating downward. Miami's Latin Business Chronicle, for example notices that "Latin Trade Slows Down."
The BIG story - somewhat underplayed because it is moving 'slowly' and that masks visibility - is that the problems in the banking industry have - and continue to - slip over into the Trade arena where the specific mechanism is letters of credit which are becoming harder and harder to get. In the Middle East, where much of the current 'boom times' are being financed with paper debt, the "Credit crisis tsunami' threatens world trade" is being taken as seriously as a heart attack. Same in the UK where the Times Online notices that "Commerce becalmed over letters of credit."
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I don't know about you, but I'd sure feel a lot better about the taxpayer bailout of the banksters if someone could just put up the flow chart so we could follow along as the crisis develops. "If rates go up here, lending falls apart there, which ripples into this sector over here..." That kind of thing.
I suspect that the reason we haven't seen the logical flow-mapping (in strategic planning terms, it would be more of a decision matrix) is that one doesn't exist. In other words, I'd bet a nickel or two that all this $1.x to $2.x trillion dollars of giveaways has been based on nothing more than a gut-check by people in control of the public's purse.
If that were not the case, we wouldn't be aghast at the headline this morning in the Washington Post which reveals that "Effectiveness of AIG's $143 billion rescue questioned." NSS.
By the way, if I count right, the first page of the WashPost story uses the term bailout once in the second paragraph, and then three times on the second page of the story. The word rescue is used (including the headline) four times on the first page of the story and only once on the second page - that was in the headline which was repeated. I just find that kind of...ummm...interesting.
[link to www.urbansurvival.com] |
| Michigan Mom
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United States
11/4/2008 10:13 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
November 3 Rense Radio Show Update w/Clif
All of these summaries come from GLP thread: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
In a nutshell, what the web bots predict is that paper asset shit hits the fan big time in late November after a period of the first few weeks of November where other matters take priority in the news and it gets much worse for the economy leading eventually to the death of the dollar which is essentially complete in Spring 2009 leading to a calroie based economy. This complete collapse sows the seed of American Revolution II in which TPTB are arrested under warrants issued by revolutionary tribunals. Apparently the Christians and the Jews are blamed and due to some oligarch type criminals who arrive from other nations whose crimes are revealed the Jews flee to Israel which is branded a criminal nation by all nations and many Israelis leave Israel it gets so bad. In the US by midsummer 2009 no more entitlements. It becomes socially acceptable to militantly squat foreclosed homes and abandoned strip malls. Local currencies arise - some of which are food based rather than gold based.
I really recommend you subscribe because there is just way too much to convey in any summary.
If I'm up that late I'll transcribe. (I'm CST).
Clif: "Release" is you're coping with it... could be good or bad (the way you cope).
Election -- confusion, been tracking it for weeks. Initial confusion re: Hillary vs. Obama then McCain campaign and now confusion re: whether we'll get all results and how meaningful.
Won't matter. Wave will crest and break tomorrow. Over by 8:30 tomorrow. (probably EST)
Republican victory is slim. 3rd party may pull popular votes as Repubs. Confusion over election thru Feb.
Nature of confusion has shifted. People wondering "How could we have lost control." WIll view Obama as anti-Christ.
Clif: Will see people fleeing country...
People bound up in religious paradigm... glee to Costa Rica, etc.
Breaking up of empire (e..g, Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great).. .will be like that globally. Global empire breaking up.
Rense: Obama people, kool-aid drinkers. Will be bitter when see kind of change coming.
Was projected by Biden and Powell already.
Clif: People responding to desperate need. Obama filled the need (or so they thought)
We tried stupid and didn't work for 8 years. Now looking for charisma-ability.
At cusp of transformation ('09). Social contract changed in ways that are staggering.
Clif: Politicans are not meaningful. The crisis is existent no matter who is in.
Deeper cycles... 200-400 years... empiring building and dissolving. Longest span human life = Roman... Two of those in this country and yet to complete the American Revolution. Still bound to the Queen.
Strange days indeed.
Rense: We aren't beyond beyond the American Revolution.
Powell said to expect crisis in January.
Biden talking about terrible times and unhappy people.
His and Obama's may be as low as BUsh's.
Financial situation is not resolvable. 16x deficit of world GDP.
Useless worthless financial instruments that are total trash.
Nothing happens by accident. Massive re-org of wealth. Some are comfortable with way things are going. Parasites taking from middle class.
People who go to Coast Rica will come back when see not better there.
Clif: They might come back sooner. We are reaching limit of resources that can extract.
We are very soon going to be at point of unsustainability.
Biosphere impacted by galactic plane.
First time in modern history for this. Effects on sun and solar system noticeable.
Clif: Bush with crises in late Nov/early Dec. r/t earthquake and ?? international/military.
China and Russia going to announce that they'll not use dollar soon.
Once hit early Jan, empire crumbles will be economic. E.g., abandoning military bases and try to get our guys/gals back.
Self cannibalizing capitalism not sustainable.
Gallactic effects - heliosphere has degraded 25%.
Very soon Russia and China will announce that they will no longer use the dollar in cross border trade. This will kill the dollar.
Rense: War or no war?
Clif: Constant level of military action right now.
Rense: Exansions?
Clif: Flying in of top generals into secret conf on east coast. Then our top generals and top generals in Russia.
No one saying what saying.
Are they plotting how it's all going to lay out?
Range of possibilities expands after January. Situation is focused on economics. Dollar problems. Hyper-inflationary mode for stuff we need. But stuff we don't need (like gas) won't be impacted. Won't need fuel d/t no jobs to drive to.
Hedonism... living under this now. Every month, like 80k new jobs d/t birth/death model. Because we think it's true, we'll tell you new jobs created.
People will have to make decision d/t life crumbling around them. Credit card debt now.... tightening.
Rense: grim Christmas. Maybe 1 present only. Have to.. austerity wake up call for people like never seen before.
Clif: Not seeing war with Iran, but could be wrong.
Isn't that not seeing anything. Seeing a high concentration in US populace for things military here. Close down bases and bring troops back d/t can't meet payroll because no one accept dollar. Cascade effect... no one using dollar except us.
War or no war?
No, does not show new war. Lot of anxiety about military.
Confrontations on an international level. Secret conference on East Coast with generals flying in from other countries (happened).
After January focus economic on all things. Hyperinflation. Restructuring on need to know real data by the government. Greenspans hedonic modification of data ( license to lie in government statistics). Comes back to haunt people that acually have to make decisions. Boogus 80,00 jobs created now just by computer model.
War with Iran not in data.
Close down bases and bring people home because of financial conditions. Thousand dollar oil because of death of dollar caused by Chinese and Russian rejection of dollar as medium of global trade.
Jeff comments that Chinese bases all over world may replace US.
Calroie based global trade level.
Looks like complete collapse of the US dollar printing press is forecast.
Rense: May be vacuum created if we withdraw. Chinese will exploit this
Clif: I dispute this. Know many Chinese people and look at historically.
Rense: Pointed out what all they own around the globe. Corporatism. Chinese would exploit.
Clif: ON resource level., yes, would exploit. Competition... will go to calorie-based... in sense of all economics are calorie-based... e.g., farmers selling wheat.
Rense: Back to pies again.
Rense: Tomorrow will go down in history...
CLif: Nothing catastrophic... We will transcend ourselves... morphing in later years... transformation starts somewhere... political arena good place to get this going.
Rense: Like sports to Americans.
CLif: At end of cycles... can't expand on planet to send military to..
Rense: We know money is gone. Can't keep playing fairy games. Obama wants to move troops to Afgahistan.
Clif: What he wants is immaterial.... Just need to spend some thought...enough sunlight falls in world to power us for years.
With bio crops for fuel. Whole planet survives on top 6" of topsoil.
AT point now where elite aware of this and pre-conditioning people to ideas... e.g., Canada growing vast amounts of food in high rises.
Less than 100 high rise structures. Re-use materials. 100% vegan diet... can be done for reasonable capital amount.
In 2012 will align with milky way and huge energy not know impact on planet.
See the seed vaults built high enough for 400' sea level rise. And see buildings in Canada for food production. China/Japan, etc. mapping moon especially backside.
Planet facing crises making January crises look like nothing.
Rense: So much in alternative fuels suppressed.
CLif: Already seeing breaking down (of ability to suppress this)... Global economic collapse also see lots of people can't be bribed (those who are in the know)... won't be able to keep the whistle-blowers quiet. Starts in spring 2009.
Rense: Assume data correct... with clear cut victory tomorrow. Will survive next 4 years.
CLif: Will see melting in Antarctic. Elite spending a lot money looking for something down there. Secret.
Winter -- on climate level, will see only 2 seasons (winter and summer)... hot and wet vs. cold and wet.
Coming winter very extreme for east coast. Heat problems.
Earthquakes still being predicted for December. Large earth quakes Dec. 10 11 12
[link to rapidshare.com] link to Rense show with just Cliff’s portion.
Please add your notes as well. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 418693 (OP)
United States
11/4/2008 1:50 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Half Past Human Article Today - Election Edition
Don't Bother with the Obvious
[link to www.urbansurvival.com]
I think I was a major market news exec too long. I tend to look at the 'flow of news' as something akin to a large Vegas-style sleight of hand show. While folks' attention is turned elsewhere, the real story is likely to be going on somewhere else. Seen it many times.
Take today's non-choice presidential content: Both candidates receive the bulk of their money from corporate sponsors, both have no plans to immediately end the wars, and neither has any strong endorsement of true 'hands off' capitalism.
Speaking of which, my neighbor across the road asked me if I was voting for the socialist candidate in the election, to which I replied "Oh, mean the republicorp one of the democorp one?"
The problem as I explained it (being politely mindful that I might raise his blood pressure) is that I have never seen such socialistic behavior in America as the recent bailouts by the republicorps spending to save their buddies down on Wall Street. But then again, the other candidate is likely to do as much redistribution of wealth - or more, but maybe a bit down the foodchain - but he doesn't like guns, by reports.
So what's a fellow to do? I mean besides 'throw away' a vote on a third party candidate, even though the most credible one will not be on the ballot?
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There's a report out of the Mail Online today that we should all "Prepare for chaos: U.S. electoral system waned it 'can't cope' as historic number of voters cast their ballot."
There are number of scenarios being spammed around the net, ranging from rabid rightwing talk of rioting in the streets to equally rabid leftwing talk of stolen elections. There's also never-ending speculation about what could happen if the U.S. Supreme Court hears and were to uphold a challenge to Obama's citizenship. But while it makes good viral emails, I'd figure the real odds are extremely low. Lower, than say, a close enough vote here or there to cause recount claims..
More likely would be an echo of 2000. Picture if you will what the mood of the country would be if Obama were to win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote. Now that one might get messy. And as if to put a little 'backbone' to it, The Nation headlines today that "No one should concede a contested election".
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Still, it's with that kind of 'matters little' attitude - not to mention that the linguistics over at www.halfpasthuman.com indicate that the specific winner of the election doesn't matter much to the ultimate outcome of things (like the summer of hell in 2009) - that I choose to sit back with a wider view and see what the BIG stories are that as sliding under the radar, preoccupying the talking heads on the Cyclops, while the grand distraction is played out.
Turns out, you don't have to look very far.
The story that should be pushing for equal footing with the presidential contest is work that the "U.S. mulls expanding 'rescue' to more firms" as the Treasury and Fed team up with new ways to pump money into the 'walking dead' consumer economy.
Not only are reports holding to the myth that the bailout was a $700-billion dollar deal - when it was $850-billion and yes, the pork is a deal cost too, so I count it, but beyond that the republicorp socialists are now looking at writing fat checks to outfits like GE and CIT Group.
Lenders to get more money - and maybe hedgers, too? How many times do these guys get rescued? Can't anyone besides me articulate the obvious question? Blue Mountain Capital Management has frozen withdrawals.
What's not reported as a Big Headline - being shoved to the background by the Grand Distraction today, is that "Credit continue to become tighter in the US" despite all the freebies and gimme's to the bankster class.
CNN's got a pretty good article about the "Lame-duck Congress: Economy in Play --- Lawmakers might convene after election to take up the economy. But the fate of any stimulus is uncertain." When you get down to it, there's really not much that can be done but ride things out.
And down further. Still, the Grand Distraction will make it seem like change is possible, until the votes are counted and the almost predictable controversy erupts. Nevertheless, the transition of America to a highly socialist Checkbook Republic, ruled by PACs and industry groups (e.g. special interests) seems pretty much complete.
Based on that, the market should rally strongly a bit further. It's like a "Heads I win, tails you lose" proposition anymore. Malinvestment is being rewarded like never before in history.
Carried to its extreme - as most trends are - we might as well start boarding up the college Business Schools right now. What's the point of learning about corporate ethics and how to manage profits and losses, when we're becoming a country where folks get to win regardless of losses and where ethics are sold for votes and 'support" of various specialty groups?
Yes, I'll be voting today. But with a heavy heart, for sure. I look at the economy, where headlines like "U.S. Monthly sales of new vehicles at 25-year low" and "Anti-Foreclosure Plan stalls in White House" and I ask myself how anyone can believe that the very folks who caused the problem are going to be any good at solving the problem? I think you know the answer. I'll cast my vote with a clear conscience.
The Job Crunch to Come
"Manufacturing hits 26-year low, hints that recession has begun." Yah think? Now is probably a great time to suck-em-up at work, bring the boss latte's and such. Political suck points mean a lot when job cuts come along...unless you're in a collective bargaining unit.
Which reminds me that "U.S. auto sales fall 32% to lower total in 17-years." Shades of the autos in September of '29, eh?
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Headlines like "Microsoft and Yahoo duel over who can lose the most media executives" should tell you this is serious. And bound to grow in the MSM once the election/distraction fades. Of course then it will be too late... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 543973
United States
11/5/2008 9:08 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Listening to George's (Oct 24) interview on beyontheordinary.net.
Some key dates:
Between now and mid Nov --> word "lock down" keeps appearing in Web bots.
12/10-12/12 --> BIG earth quakes
Late Feb-mid March --> economy bottoming out
Next Spring --> global/coastal events
Not sure what this is exactly. Best guess is that wake up in the morning and hear large rumble-like thunder off in the distance... and discover glaciar in Antartic or Greenland broken that was over land and sea level rises 3- 4 feet. THen another one after that then another one.
Problem is refinaries won't be able to get product due to refinaries not set up for that kind of sea level change. Also, rising water causes problems in Bangladesh and Holland will go away. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 543973
United States
11/5/2008 9:13 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
George's interview continued:
Q: What's the best way to get and run a small business in today's economic climate?
A: Buy a big business and wait.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 543973
United States
11/5/2008 9:32 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
George's recommendation:
1. Develop different way of looking at life.
2. Get sustainable.
3. Send few bucks ot local food bank.
4. Do not buy new car.
5. Do not allow TV to continue to condition you and tell you what you have to own, drink, drive, etc.
6. Get de-hypnotized, buy book called "Positioning: The Advertising Battle for Your Mind". Most people don't need 90% of what they spend their money on. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 543973
United States
11/5/2008 9:33 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
George's interview continued:
What is progress? People don't have time to read books these days... people feel weird urge to communicate in inappropriate way (in public places on their cell phones)...
You can live on $10k per year even in this crappy economy. Life can be ok with a warm place to live in, some lighting and a book... YOu can still become a leading expert in X or Y and develop new skills, but need to turn off the TV to do it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 543973
United States
11/5/2008 9:34 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
George:
By summer of '09 will see large scale social disorder because people want their cake and eating it too and they want it all for free. We've lost core American values (work your a$$ off, share a little to gov't but keep re-investing in yourself, your property and your skills.. and make something of yourself.)
Human potentials movement gets people excited, but when you walk by TV set, sucks your energy and hypnotizes you to be just a consumer.
Need to re-connect at core level, build own skills, re-assert America's work ethic that made our country great. ... Massive period of adjustment and not everyone is going to make it through that. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 544919
United States
11/6/2008 2:44 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Nov 14 is coming soon. Hopefully they'll be on before then.
But when? Which show? Anyone? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498683
United States
11/6/2008 3:49 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
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| Mark
User ID: 272356
United States
11/6/2008 7:09 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Nov 14 is coming soon. Hopefully they'll be on before then.
But when? Which show? Anyone? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 544919
what does this mean, on the 14th? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 545106
United States
11/6/2008 7:21 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
Nov 14 is coming soon. Hopefully they'll be on before then.
But when? Which show? Anyone?
what does this mean, on the 14th? Quoting: Mark 272356
Here we go again!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272356
United States
11/8/2008 1:07 AM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
November 14 -- batten down your hatch. |
| lynleo
User ID: 545186
United States
11/8/2008 10:46 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
If I remember correctly, there was to be a possible earthquake west coast Nov. 13-15.
I just read of a massive earthquake DRILL to be held Nov. 13 in LA (or was it san fran?). Could the bots have been picking up on that? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 374615
United States
11/8/2008 10:46 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
November 14 -- batten down your hatch. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 272356
What do you know? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 374615
United States
11/8/2008 10:47 PM | | Re: The Definitive Web Bot Thread | Quote |
If I remember correctly, there was to be a possible earthquake west coast Nov. 13-15.
I just read of a massive earthquake DRILL to be held Nov. 13 in LA (or was it san fran?). Could the bots have been picking up on that? Quoting: lynleo 545186
It is also SUPER 'Full' MOON TIME! |
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