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Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Indeed
Let them give their own damn money.
If I want to contribute Iīll send a check with the amount that I decide I can afford to give.
Same with every thing else. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Two wrongs donīt make a right, OP. I donīt blame you for being angry if nobody helped you with hurricane damage, but why take it out on thousands of other disaster victims?
I donīt think either a country or a private organization should bankrupt itself giving money, but if they can afford it, they should give something. Who knows when theyīll find themselves in the same position that the Asians are in now? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Ayn Rand For POTUS |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Donations from the US are strictly for Israel. Is Holcberg the only one that knows this? |
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Oil Whore
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
yay for reason.
but hell just print more |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
QUOTE:
"Every cent the government spends comes from taxation"
WRONG
IT COMES FROM BORROWING! THE STUPID FUCKING CUNT! ALSO IT COMES FROM JUST PRINTING A FRESH BATCH UP! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
so if someone kicks in your door and steals from you and then give 2% to your poor neighbor down the street that needed it it is a good thing
right?
after all your neighbor just had a death in the family and really needed the money to pay rent.
a week later a person on the other side of town has a death in their family and thier children have a the flu and really need a shot of īvaccineī. so they come and kick your door down again and steal what you have managed to accumulate since the last time they stole from you. this time you resist having your shit stolen and they throw you in jail.
"how could you be so cruel" they say. those people needed your help and you just turned you back on them!
shame shame on you you evil person for not wanting to give to help your fellow man!
meanwhile those who stole from you in the first place take the 98% they had left and use it to further thier agenda of power and control. they sock trillions away into private investment accounts and plot to steal the land of the very neighbors you are in prison for īresisting to helpī.
wake up morons
the US is already bankrupt, and if they do create the money out of thin air by borrowing it into existence then what do you think happens to the value of the money in circulation???
you canīt really be that fn dense
can you? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
[link to www.brillig.com]
Bush said he was going to cut that in half in 5 years. O_o |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Did you notice the 2 Year Treasury Bonds just sold at a recent auction only attracted 75% of the foreign purchase component as compared to Treasuryīs last prior auction. We are really going to have to increase interest rates drastically to stop the erosion of our dollar I am afraid, or inflation will devour us as we print money to pay for deficit spending and interest due. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
I tend to agree.
There are many people in this country that are not getting the help, health care, etc. that are not being helped.
I think we should help out, but other countries assume we are always going to step in and save them.
I saw one man on the beach screaming where are the Americans, over and over.
Who offered to help the people in Florida? There are still problems for some down there.
What about us? I know so many people in my state that cannot find any kind of job, donīt have health care, have no place to turn.
Itīs so political. |
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Vorg
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
I wonder if Mr. Holcberg is ok with the billions we give to Israel every year. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
$147,687,159,076 and counting... you greedy Objectivist capitalist scumbags
[link to costofwar.com] |
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Sorrow known
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
We are living under the largest deficit in the history of the USA. We are almost bankrupt and the only money we are pledging is going to be borrowed from another country. I feel we should of stuck with the 35, which was higher than most countries but still money we would be borrowing. We are going to sell our souls for bush to look generous? Let each person give according to their heart-buying ones way in to the club does not guarantee admittance. I feel for the dead and mourning, but let the dead bury the dead-we are yet living, should we not provide for that foremost? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Americans are very generous, maybe donations should be voluntary and not government or bureaucratic largesse.
Take America out of the picture and see what other countries have donated. Look in particular to Europe - now they were extreamly mean in the early days of this disaster, have they lifted their donations? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
There is nothing wrong with using taxpayer money to make a charitable disaster-relief donation in the name of the American people. It falls squarely within the prerogative of government, just as it is within governmentīs prerogative to determine foreign policy and negotiating trade agreements (all of which costs tax money).
Where I agree with the OP and a couple of the other views expressed is that charitable funds should also be directed to helping domestic victims of calamity. The fact is that there is abundant wealth to cover all charitable contingencies. What causes the apparent lack of funds is the insane budgetary priorities of our elected government.
The U.S. "defense" budget is larger than the defense budgets of all other nations on Planet Earth combined. A fraction of that defense budget would be sufficient for taking care of most domestic issues that have a monetary solution.
Do not expect a fascist ideologue like Ayn Rand to question the "right" of government to funnel a large portion of the peopleīs money toward "defense." Why would the Ayn Rand Institute find no fault in this? It is because Ayn Rand and her so-called objectivist philosophy stand for the right of corporate industrialists to turn the globe into one huge strip mine and nuclear waste dump, surrounded by forests of billboards. The military is necessary for bringing about this ideal world of Ayn Randīs. Let nobody therefore question the cost.
So, what we are reading in the article posted by the OP is a disingenuously selective protest of government policy. When the Randies come around to questioning the insanity of the U.S. "defense" budget, then they will have the credibility for offering a valid critique of policy. Until then they should be regarded as self-serving hypocrites proffering hype. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
I think if people want to help then God bless. If govīt wants to mandate help on the backs of itīs people then FUCK THAT! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
America IS generous....the people ARE generous.
I saw this morning on the local news that Coca Cola is donation 10 Million dollars for the relief effort...so, corporations ARE generous also.
There is a LOT of money going to the relief effort that IS voluntary and not governmental.
Why, because Americans CARE!
Kids here in Atlanta are selling lemonade at a corner stand to sell to passing cars to collect money for the relief effort. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
less government influence and more personal decision.
Donīt let some self-agrandizing communist/liberal/evil doer/opinion maker/ who has weedled their way into some cushy/safe/pc government funded job dole out everyone elses money.
More personal choice in the matter. If you want to donate, then excercise YOUR free will.
You decide. Dont give your free will over to some liberal/communist, who basically thinks you are a pig who cant ever be trusted to do the right thing.
(even though you have probably been doing the "right thing" all along, and they are the ones who have been under-hand, criminal, evil, bullying, nasty, piggy, selfish, corrupt, smelly,
basically just pigs all round. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
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12/31/2004
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OMGWTFLOL
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Ayn Rand is a perfect definition of 
Her principles were that pure capitalism was the best system for ALL decisions, and anyone who disagreed was an idiot. Of course, she plainly ignores the abuses that come with PURE capitalism (such as slavery, child labor, a lack of public infrastructure and more).
In her world, kindness does not truly exist. Only self-interest. People donīt donate to charity because it helps others, but because theyīre getting something out of it (even just a good feeling).
Itīs not a philosophy conducive to the public good. Only personal greed benefits. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Our money is not the governmentīs to give
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Governments are not a business tool, they are a shared myth.
Myth goes bad, government goes down the toilet, which might not be a bad idea considering the current US snake-oil nightmare. |
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19.47
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
This is not very surprising really. Ayn Rand was a very high level witch, so this sort of stuff from the Ayn Rand Institute is about par for the course.
The U.S. Postal Service Honors A Witch Posthumously!
The U.S. Postal service has done it again! We now have the 33 cent Ayn Rand stamp. (30) The late Ayn Rand was a mistress to the late Phillipe Rothschild and was instructed by him to write a book entitled "Atlas Shrugged." The story of this book was actually a cleverly disguised plan for world takeover in the last days, and the characters in the book were real characters in Illuminism under different names. The stamp depicts the looming picture of Ayn Rand, whose face overshadows the skyscrapers of New York City, and the ominous number "33" occupies the lower left corner of the stamp. More information on "Atlas Shrugged" was given in a previous issue of the Last Trumpet, including the explanation of what Ayn Rand said would happen when "the lights of New York City go out for the last time", and the head of the Rothschild tribunal under a different name would make the dollar sign as a benediction to signal the birth of the New World Order. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
and reason as his only absolute." Ayn Rand
Imperfect tool--any issue can be presented in many arguments, all of them convincing.
Human empathy is more perfect and in fact trumps ping-pong reason. |
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borrow from Peter to pay Paul
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
USA doesnīt have any $$$ to give.
Bushīll just send īem an I.O.U. that our grandkids get to pay off.
USA went $615 BILLION in the RED in 2004!!
[link to rense.com] |
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dEAD BABY
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
Maybe the US Citizens ought to re think the issue about all the Dead Babies that the Liberal Left have killed through abortion. Surely thereīs a hell of a lot more than 250,00 dead babies. Who wants to send money to their families who live in America? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
which is neither bank, nor part of federal govt and has no reserves.
they print the money that the bushies give out. And in order to give value to the money, the govt committs the lives and slavery of your selves and your children and your childrens children
get your assumptions correct before going off on weird ass rants |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
"Nobody helped me rebuild after after a hurricane wrecked my property so I tend to agree with this philosophy."
Oh? Why is that? I live in the hurricane area too,
and all have been helped. Didnīt you have
insurance? Most people I know that suffered damage
made money. They were paid by their insurance
companies and also paid by FEMA too. They were not
trying to screw the government, the government
just paid the money after a survey of the damage.
People that lost power and bought generators, were
paid the cost of the generators and allowed to
keep them. FEMA even paid for removal of trees
that fell and didnīt hit anything. I have never
seen such great responses as in this case, both
by FEMA and insurance companies. People were even
reimbursed for food losses in their refers and
freezers due do the power going out for several
days.
If you didnīt receive help it was your own fault! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
"Nobody helped me rebuild after after a hurricane wrecked my property so I tend to agree with this philosophy."
This isnīt PHILOSOPHY, this is an encaring, cheap,
prick! |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: Ayn Rand Institute: U.S. Should Not Help Tsunami Victims | Quote |
"Coca Cola is donation 10 Million dollars for the relief effort"
BEST ADVRETISING YOU CAN BUY
IM SURE ITS A BETTER DEAL THAN THE SUPER BOWL |
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