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Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States

 
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Thread: UNITED STATES is a Corporation - There are Two Constitutions

UNITED STATES is a Corporation - There are Two Constitutions

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OP, what is shaky? I'd be happy to discuss any standpoint as a matter of Law.


To be perfectly honest, I don't recall at this point. I only remember that in a discussion I was a part of months ago, some of the content was effectively put into doubt. However, that still does not negate the entire premise.

In the end, I think it is the comlexity of law today that has gotten us into the predicament we face. There is no need for all these different "interpretations" and revisions. Certainly not to the degree that we see today.

The Constitution is pretty clear and straightforward, yet even our own Supreme Court has managed to twist the meanings so effectively, that they have the people believing that certain phrases can actually mean the direct opposite of their intended meaning as it was worded. Take subway bag searched for example. One could argue all they want that such measures may be necessary, but you are never going to convince me that it is Constitutional, even though the Supreme Court has ruled that it does not violate the Constitution.
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Hmm. The Constitution is very clear and straightforward. The reason why the "Supreme Court" seems so crazy is that it is a court of a private, foreign corporation, and the standard use definitions of English do not apply because all of the Corp. US "laws" are in the form of code. To understand this code, which is explicit and clear, one must have an understanding of all parties involved in any legal relationship.

If you would only read this [link to teamlaw.org] entire link carefully (and follow up with reading the citations) in conjunction with this [link to www.teamlawproductions.com] perhaps my previous statements will make more sense to you.

As far as your exmample with the subway bags, you are right in that it would never be correct under the Original Jurisdiction Constitution of the United States of America. However, the search thing could be constitutional with respect to the private corporation's constitution.

In the corporate, private foreign Sense, the US Government could do all that because the 14th amendment "citizens" are trusts created by the social security administration, and they have constitutionally granted rights. Trusts do not have any inherent Sovereignty, no corporation does. In the subway situation, where people do not know themselves from a trust, Corp US would institute the search for all the SSN Trusts that exist. Since SSN trusts ARE PROPERTY and AGENCIES of CORP US, they may pretty much do whatever they please with respect to them. And if people forget the nature of the relationship, well it will look very much like oppression. However, CORP US has no right to disrespect the rights or property of a human being who lends consciousness and capacity to that SSN trust. And, if the human being knows what to do about it, there is huge reparations that CORP US will now owe the human being.

There is a split, like you have suggested, but it is not a usurpation. It's like this: Original US government creates a mini-me sub corporation that looks almost exactly like the parent government. They perform actions simultaneously for a while until the Parent goes to sleep, and the mini-me keeps on doing stuff. The mini-me looks like government, but it's not a government. It's a private foreign corporation. The government is asleep (vacant), but still present and can be easily the way of Law, if people are aware and choose to participate in that way, rather than powering "mini-me, CORP US".

Again, what happened was that a private corporation was created by the Original Jurisdiction Constitutional Republic. This corporation was named "District of Columbia" and trade named "United States" and "US Government" etc. Corp US changed the way it holds elections through CORP US constitutional amendment, while keeping Original Jurisdiction United States of America Constitution, with its 16 articles (NOT 27!) unchanged. The 1912/3 elections and office change rolls around and the only positions filled are the corporate, private "CORP US" positions. Original Jurisdiction officers were never lawfully elected or seated, therefore, vacated.

The Original Jurisdiction Republic is STILL HERE! It was vacated in 1913 due to changes in CORP US's election process, but not the Original Jurisdiction Republic.

We can get this Nation back! all we have to do is participate in the Original Jurisdiction Republic and controlling CORP US by securing the nature of our relationship to it (I have used title 5, section 552a with success) and then using its own rules against it, but being totally legal and lawful (exit income and property tax obligations, as well as freedom from traffic and other type martial/admiralty laws as a human!)

The current "Government" did not usurp anyone or anything. It gained active participation which is above that of other institutions. What CORP US did was lawful and legal. The only questionable thing is, which has full remedy, how can a private corporation quit claim deed itself, when the actual owners did not confirm or deny that corporation's right to participate in such a quit claim deed? That means, did CORP US have a right to give itself away to the IMF during the vacancy of the Original Jurisdiction Republic? I say that when the Original Jurisdiction Republic as formed by the Constitution for the United States of America is fully seated, CORP US will come back under the ownership of Original Jurisdiction United States of America, and all crimes against the Original Jurisdiction American people will be held in Lawfully seated Original Jurisdiction United States of America courts.

I am personally for disclosure and forgiveness, but, that's just my opinion. If there is a crime, we must as a people follow through with the provisions of justice as we have set forth.

I am sorry that you have found that a discussion of Team Law's work to indicate it is on shaky ground. However, by your own admission, you do not know the issues that are shaky. Is it your impression of that discussion that to you the contents are doubtful by some unstated reason? I have found Team Law's work to be top notch, and using their resources and through those, my own understanding through research of PRIMARY evidences, sources, I have been able to do some amazing things. I have now escaped prosecution on multiple traffic offenses and, with a bit more honing of my understanding, bring to for a suit against the the CORP STATES or CORP US if they ever violate my rights. Nothing says freedom than having the "oppressors" pay the human being way by winning a title 42 sec. 1983,1985 lawsuit.

I have done the research and I know the Law for myself! I do not believe Team Law or anyone for that matter. I do the research to satisfy my need to know the truth directly. I can get really technical with citations, and will be happy to engage in a point for point discussion on any/all of the matters I have said and have yet to discuss.

So, OP, thanks again for your fervor. We definitely need to be aware of these issues. It will help us secure our Freedom and Sovereignty. These things, while given to us, will be taken away unless we actively take a roll in protecting them. It is with people like you that we will secure our great Republic again and gone will be the days of darkness, direct taxes and compelled performance aside from any Constitutionally protected, inherent rights.

Act like sheep, be enslaved like one.

Act like a Sovereign, reign free like one.

A Sovereign learns, knows, understands and applies the Law.
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Woops, OP, the above post is me. and I need to edit some of the post...

basically where I insert a link, I mean to refer you to these two links!

Thanks!

[link to www.teamlawproductions.com]

[link to teamlaw.org]
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Further thoughts:

The Constitution for the United States of America is indeed a Trust.


The thing that happened in 1933 with HJR-192 was that the PRIVATE CORPORATION went bankrupt to 7 powerful families. The Original Jurisdiction United States of America, which is a trust, and a corporation by definition of a trust, did not lose is "Sovereignty" in the act of HJR-192 in 1933.

What did happen is that CORP US officially became enslaved/indebted to the bond-holders/Federal Reserve. Thus, all of the Assets of CORP US, and therefore control became owned by them.

Again, in 1944, Under the Bretton Woods Agreement, it fulfilled the transfer, or quit-claim of these CORP US assets to the foreign, private, International Monetary Fund and World Bank.
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The Inversion of the American Public into nothing more then Collateral Puppets of commerce, must be regarded as the single greatest Con ever Instituted as a means to an end...
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How is it that we have become commercial entities? One will first pounce on it and blame the 14th Amendment and all legislation that has occurred since its inception, and I cannot deny that to be the truth of the matter. But that Amendment is not the beginning, it is the ending. I am going to present to you that the Constitution is a document of dual nature, first a Trust instrument ,and secondly articles of Incorporation. The corporate aspect has been obvious to many of us for a very long time. We have been being subjected to this corporate aspect, expecting something other, like the freedoms mentioned and implied in the document, only to come up against brick walls. Injustice and un-justice. What is going on? They can't do that we say. I say unto you they most certainly can and I will tell you why.

We have heard it said there are supposed to be 3 sovereigns in America, the people, the state, and the federal government. The inheritance of sovereignty is not, nor has it ever been written down. One does not become a "Sovereign" through any kind of writing. A queen does not become a queen from her father's will, deed, grant or anything else. She becomes a Queen under the Laws of "Descent and Distribution". How is it that the people of this country claim to be sovereigns? Do you think the Constitution gave it to you? The people, or persons, of sovereignty in this country became so under the Laws of Descent and Distribution! So why is it that you do not know how these laws work upon your freedoms and sovereignty? Why is it that you think your Right to bear arms comes from a Constitutional Amendment? Or your Right to free speech? Where do you think your Rights come from and why can't you get them? How does the Law really work?
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Serializing From : [link to 52.thelastoutpost.com]

The finest legacy the world has ever known was bequeathed to you. I have no doubt that you probably think you know all about it. I assure you do not.

In increments and for close to one hundred years it has been torn apart, taken for granted, renounced and forsaken. There is no one to blame for your loss, except your own ignorance and your own desire to believe in an illusion handed to you in the form of truth. You have been led to believe in a lie, and it is your belief in an illusion that hides the truth. I cannot tell you that it is not too late to uphold the legacy, my only hope is that it is not.

For a while, set aside everything you know, everything you have been told or taught. For one minute consider you know nothing. There is a legacy hiding in the document called the Constitution For the United States of America, one that is not shown to anyone. The obvious is shown, talked about and supported. The obvious elements we are taught, falls within the realm commerce and many have speculated the whys of how you and I got entangled into the snare of the commercial laws. Of course we are not told that we are subject to commerce, but there is the overwhelming sense of it and many, many know it to be true. Our freedoms are being diminished in mass amounts of commercial-ality with more and more laws being piled upon each other.

How is it that we have become commercial entities? One will first pounce on it and blame the 14th Amendment and all legislation that has occurred since its inception, and I cannot deny that to be the truth of the matter. But that Amendment is not the beginning, it is the ending. I am going to present to you that the Constitution is a document of dual nature, first a Trust instrument ,and secondly articles of Incorporation. The corporate aspect has been obvious to many of us for a very long time. We have been being subjected to this corporate aspect, expecting something other, like the freedoms mentioned and implied in the document, only to come up against brick walls. Injustice and un-justice. What is going on? They can't do that we say. I say unto you they most certainly can and I will tell you why.

We have heard it said there are supposed to be 3 sovereigns in America, the people, the state, and the federal government. The inheritance of sovereignty is not, nor has it ever been written down. One does not become a "Sovereign" through any kind of writing. A queen does not become a queen from her father's will, deed, grant or anything else. She becomes a Queen under the Laws of "Descent and Distribution". How is it that the people of this country claim to be sovereigns? Do you think the Constitution gave it to you? The people, or persons, of sovereignty in this country became so under the Laws of Descent and Distribution! So why is it that you do not know how these laws work upon your freedoms and sovereignty? Why is it that you think your Right to bear arms comes from a Constitutional Amendment? Or your Right to free speech? Where do you think your Rights come from and why can't you get them? How does the Law really work?
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Hmm. The Constitution is very clear and straightforward. The reason why the "Supreme Court" seems so crazy is that it is a court of a private, foreign corporation, and the standard use definitions of English do not apply because all of the Corp. US "laws" are in the form of code. To understand this code, which is explicit and clear, one must have an understanding of all parties involved in any legal relationship.
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You too seem to have a greater understanding of the material than the average "sheep," and I do highly recommend that readers review your link to gain a more detailed understanding.

What I have done is show one part, as an indroductory measure, of how our Constitution has been deliberately undermined and negated over time.

In essence, it has been abandoned by the very leaders we elected to protect and enforce it. But I suppose one could say that if you put a fox in the hen house, he'll have chicken for dinner every time. The Constitution was designed to prevent that. So that the people would see when the "fox entered the hen house" so to speak. When certain people decided to challenge the government's overstepping their bounds, they were violently put down. The Civil War was never about slavery, it was about sovereignty.

In the end one must see that "legal" is not synonymous with Constitutional.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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In increments and for close to one hundred years it has been torn apart, taken for granted, renounced and forsaken. There is no one to blame for your loss, except your own ignorance and your own desire to believe in an illusion handed to you in the form of truth. You have been led to believe in a lie, and it is your belief in an illusion that hides the truth. I cannot tell you that it is not too late to uphold the legacy, my only hope is that it is not.
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Let me give an example of the illusion being renounced, which I witnessed.

I was in town court on my own matter, and with the matter resolved, returned to the courtroom to present a money order. There was one defendant left, adressing the court when I entered. It quickly became obvious why they had put this man last on the court calender, when there should not have been anyone else in the courtroom.

He stood in the back of the center aisle, refusing to approach. He declared himself a sovereign flesh and blood man, not a fictional corporate entity. Furthermore he delcared that the judge had a "serious jurisdictional problem here," because of it.

This was not the first time he had appeared before the judge. In the mumbling between the prosecutor, the judge and the court officer, I gleaned that the man had already been committed for psychiatric evaluation, by court order, and was found completely competant. The judge was at a complete loss on how to proceed, stating that the man had appeared on every date, as ordered.

I truly wish I could have seen the resoultion of the matter.

But from what I have read, it appears that the man was totally correct, and surely not insane because of his statements. You cannot go into a courtroom and argue for your Constitutional rights. You can argue for Civil rights that may appear to be the same or similar, but in fact are two totally different things. If you try to argue for your Constitutional rights, your case or motion would be dismissed as frivelous at best, or you may find yourself sanctioned in contempt of court. Simply because the court knows that in fact they have no jusrisdiction over or within Constitutional matters.

A grand illusion by which people live and die and lives are destroyed.
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Oh I hate that. The above post is mine, I must've timed out.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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In the end one must see that "legal" is not synonymous with Constitutional.
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Here's a little something to chew on. Constitutional, Un-Constitutional, Non-Constitutional. ( The unexplored realm )

It is not uncommon for known Sovereignty Activists to be held up all day to be heard last thing, in an empty courtroom. Been there myself more than once.

I am not the Author of the Legacy article. That is the early 90's work of my Other. I just helped a little.

What's so important about understanding the Federal Government is the product of a Trust ?

There is one legal allowance for the Beneficiaries of a Trust to Seize the Trust Rez ( Property held and managed by the Trust ) . That is the Bankruptcy of the Trustees.

You and I individually, and The members of your Estate ( State ) United / collectively, are the Beneficiaries. The Federal Government, have abdicated , left vacant, their Offices of Trust, have assigned those tasks to the Corporation and that Corporation is Bankrupt.

This is where the legal scholars have a hernia attack.
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Referring to the "rule of martial law" mentioned in this thread, is that the reason we have the gold-fringed military form of the US flag in court rooms and other officials places?
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THere is already a thread on this

Thread: OBAMA WILL DECLARE MARSHALL LAW!!!! (Page 5)

all discussions go there
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wow! good read.
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When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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THere is already a thread on this

Thread: OBAMA WILL DECLARE MARSHALL LAW!!!! (Page 5)

all discussions go there
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You're a friggin' idiot. This thread has nothing to do with your propoganda spilling, or Obama you moron.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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wow! good read.
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Thanks, glad you enjoyed. Right or wrong, it's something to think about for sure. So far, no one has been able to succesfully debunk this theory of mine, and I have posted it in many places, and have entered into some viscious debates with highly educated people including a Federal judge.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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Thanks for posting this information.

So many people still believe that "freeing the slaves" was the purpose of the Civil War-- or "The War of Northern Aggression," to many of us!
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Thanks for posting this information.

So many people still believe that "freeing the slaves" was the purpose of the Civil War-- or "The War of Northern Aggression," to many of us!
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Yes, I call the War of Northern Aggression, and the South is still occupied territory.

Why do the schools teach the stuff that they teach, when it is not even close to reality? We never talked about this in my Civic class, that I recall.

It takes an IQ north of 140 and/or a law degree to understand what has happened. We've been completely abandoned by the press and our elected representatives who were supposed to have our backs. Not only do the sheeple have a hard time understanding this, but nobody will even
tell us what has happened, and what is going on.
Unless a strong leader arrives to right this wrong, don't count on any changes. Ron Paul's heart is in the right place, but he just wasn't charasmatic enough to win popular support.

The gold tassel around the court flag indicates that it is a maritime court that deals with commerce. Your local community is a corporation and they deal with commerce. The zelot pig that arrested you for smoking a joint was just a security guard working for the city corporation.


Who do lawyers, who are "officers" of the court owe their allegiance to?
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Thanks for posting this information.

So many people still believe that "freeing the slaves" was the purpose of the Civil War-- or "The War of Northern Aggression," to many of us!



Yes, I call the War of Northern Aggression, and the South is still occupied territory.

Why do the schools teach the stuff that they teach, when it is not even close to reality? We never talked about this in my Civic class, that I recall.

It takes an IQ north of 140 and/or a law degree to understand what has happened. We've been completely abandoned by the press and our elected representatives who were supposed to have our backs. Not only do the sheeple have a hard time understanding this, but nobody will even
tell us what has happened, and what is going on.
Unless a strong leader arrives to right this wrong, don't count on any changes. Ron Paul's heart is in the right place, but he just wasn't charasmatic enough to win popular support.

The gold tassel around the court flag indicates that it is a maritime court that deals with commerce. Your local community is a corporation and they deal with commerce. The zelot pig that arrested you for smoking a joint was just a security guard working for the city corporation.


Who do lawyers, who are "officers" of the court owe their allegiance to?
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They pledge allegiance to the foreign, private corporation which calls itself the "US Government", but is in fact owned/controlled by the IMF/World Bank, which in turn is owned/controlled by the Bank of International Settlements which in turn is owned/controlled by the British Crown which in turn is...

Many people ask me why I don't become a lawyer. I usually respond, I already am, in the sense that I use the law. They look dismayed as if that magic grant of authority is the only thing that gives me credibility. I usually respond, "I know what you mean, a BAR'd , licensed attorney. I won't ever do that because I won't serve or take title of nobility from, or pledge allegiance to the Queen of England or any other foreign power, thus stripping me of any right or privilege to hold office in the original jurisdiction United States of America with its 16 amendments, in accord with the 13th amendment."
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needs to stay on the front page awhile
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at some point we the people have to take back our country or forever become enslaved ... one of the two has to happen ...
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* please read "The Creature from Jykell Island" short easy read on how federal reserve was founded... Then follow that up with the movie "America: Freedom to Fascism "
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excellent thread
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Hey, got another link for y'all. Enjoy!

[link to www.teamlaw.org]
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I find it curious that a serious topic such as this garners so little attention, while some rather silly threads wind up with page after page of mindless discussion.
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That's because most people are only here for entertainment. I'll read it all when I have some time.
thanks for posting it.
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Well, it seems that this is getting a bit of attention as time goes on. Glad to see that. Maybe this will wind up like one of those movies that does crap at the box office, but winds up making more dollars in rentals and reruns than any other movie in history. :)
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


-Revelation 6:5, 6:6
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Re: Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States
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