The Nicotine and Fluoride link | |
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Skipper (OP) User ID: 448826 United States 10/26/2008 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had heard about five or six years ago that cigarette smokers had lower incidence of alzhiemers. Now I know why. Thanks for the info on flouride. More good reasons to filter that water! Quoting: Friendq 339560yeah i quit smoking a year ago and i do get wierd movements sometimes..lol i'm working on it i'm gonna get some nicotine gum one of these days. yeah filter your water as best as possible...that is the most important thing we can do.. other than getting the governments to stop putting flouride in the water. i would look for some natural mouthwash/toothpaste too. these mofos are trying to poison us.. remember problem/solution? they cause the problem then they have big pharma come up with the solution...which is never a real solution. the only real solution is to going all natural for everything in your life. ~we(me,kalindi,nimai and our unborn) need some help. [link to blogs.myspace.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 534551 Australia 10/26/2008 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've always said smoking created a protective layer against the really bad stuff. Looksw like in a roundabout way, I was right! lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 535426I rarely seem to catch bad colds or the flu as a smoker, I think I read somewhere that they used to use tobacco to ward off colds etc. Also good for mental alertness. The Fluoride link is a new one for me though, nice. |
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Skipper (OP) User ID: 448826 United States 10/26/2008 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF the nicotine thing is really true, then it would be loose leaf organic tobacco, SURE AS HELL NOT CIGARETTES. (and probably not pharmaceutical nicotine - think about it DUH) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 471668true,true i would look for the most natural stuff you can find. ~we(me,kalindi,nimai and our unborn) need some help. [link to blogs.myspace.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 505615 United States 10/26/2008 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sheffield: Fluoride is added to children's milk in 42 primary schools [link to fluoride.ecobytes.net] Ignorant parents allowing innocent kids to become dumbed-down and gullible like themselves...sad..sad case of a vicious downward cycle. Hope they WAKE T.F.U! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 471668 United States 10/26/2008 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sheffield: Fluoride is added to children's milk in 42 primary schools [link to fluoride.ecobytes.net] OMFG Also, look on the shelves of Walmart - they are selling BABY DRINKING WATER WITH FLUORIDE!!!! SPECIAL WATER JUST FOR INFANTS!! ISN'T THAT SPECIAL?? YOUR BABY WILL HAVE THE STRONGEST FUCKING TEETH! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
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Within The Flower User ID: 534221 United States 10/26/2008 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, when you mention "cholergic effects"... Do you mean cholinergic? as in acetylcholine and the various receptors and other neurotransmitters involved? anyways... i'm guessing that's the case - and it makes sense how, if flouride is an anti-cholinergic, it has mind dulling effects - kind of like the tropane (belladonna) alkaloids and many antihistamines (both OTC and prescription). that actually clears a lot up for me. also, i didn't know that nicotine has pro cholinergic effects - it would give reason to why i do so much better at various mental tasks when i'm smoking. luckily tho, i do not use fluoride toothpaste or any other things that have fluorine or its substituted analogs in them - and haven't used them for many years now... no more calcification for my pineal gland. I WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action! A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others... ------------------------------------ In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them. This is the Cosm. This is both I and You. I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine! ------------------ as soon as you even go near these things your ego knows what it is.. its all like "what ya gonna do with that?" "Hope you not gonna take it" "cause i will throw myself down on the floor and scratch, claw and bite and tantrum" - Kyuubi "the gift of love makes much more sense than frankincense gold and myrhh" - Only Me |
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Within The Flower User ID: 534221 United States 10/26/2008 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action! A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others... ------------------------------------ In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them. This is the Cosm. This is both I and You. I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine! ------------------ as soon as you even go near these things your ego knows what it is.. its all like "what ya gonna do with that?" "Hope you not gonna take it" "cause i will throw myself down on the floor and scratch, claw and bite and tantrum" - Kyuubi "the gift of love makes much more sense than frankincense gold and myrhh" - Only Me |
Skipper (OP) User ID: 448826 United States 10/26/2008 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how can you reverse the affect of fluoride and reduce aluminum in the brain ? Quoting: dr_strangelovegood question maybe a heavy metal cleanse? i'm going to try and find out ~we(me,kalindi,nimai and our unborn) need some help. [link to blogs.myspace.com] |
Skipper (OP) User ID: 448826 United States 10/26/2008 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DETOXIFICATION If you stop taking fluoride, your body will get rid of it eventually. The fluoride that gets stuck in your bones gets stuck there for life pretty much, but that is not necessarily bad. Where fluoride has adverse effects is in the soft tissues. If you take over 200 mg of vitamin C per day that is all you really need for removing fluoride. In three to six months you should have about 99% of it out which is good enough. GOOD DIET, NOT FLUORIDE, IS NECESSARY FOR HEALTHY TEETH Many primitive societies whose drinking water contains negligible amounts of fluoride go through life without tooth decay because they eat very little sugar and other refined carbohydrates. [link to www.consumerhealth.org] ~we(me,kalindi,nimai and our unborn) need some help. [link to blogs.myspace.com] |
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TX PATRIOT User ID: 506675 United States 10/26/2008 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF the nicotine thing is really true, then it would be loose leaf organic tobacco, SURE AS HELL NOT CIGARETTES. (and probably not pharmaceutical nicotine - think about it DUH) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 471668For all you smokers out there... LAst month I started making my own smokes and and followed Omega's suggestion of purchasing tobacco from D&R. I was not disappointed. The tobacco I use is Windsail organic and with the Premier tubes (light), these cigs taste so much better and smoother than Marlboros. I have purchased Rowland to blend with the Windsail because it has a fantastic flavor. When you make a purchase, ask for samples of their other tobacco, and they will send you enough to make a few cigs. Great way to test without investment. Now the unexpected part of this new venture is that the cig smoke is not as strong as Marlboros and it dissipates very quickly in the house. I had a couple of friends come over last week who asked me if I had quit smoking because they couldn't smell it in the house. Omega's recommendation of D&R tobacco was spot on. Oh! And a carton of MYO cigs is appx. $11 including shipping of the tubes and tobacco. Sweet!! One 14 oz bag of tobacco and one box of tubes yields about two cartons. . |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 506675 United States 10/26/2008 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you take over 200 mg of vitamin C per day that is all you really need for removing fluoride. Quoting: Skipper200 mg....that's child's play in my house. ;) I take anywhere from 4-8 GRAMS per day and wouldn't be without it. Also regarding smoking, Vit C is used at a much higher rate in those who smoke and thus the depletion is faster. I'll see if I can dig up that research. Thanks for the thread, Skipper. Good one. . |
Skipper (OP) User ID: 448826 United States 10/26/2008 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nutrition against fluoride accumulation Posted by Jan S. on November 27, 2003 at 15:59:24: In Reply to: Re: How to Remove Fluoride from Drinking Water posted by Gregory on November 26, 2003 at 14:44:32: Not so much scatterbrained as scattered brain - (too) many irons in the fire. Thanks. That was my thinking, to get the contaminants out first before considering something like energetic properties - but was not sure I wasn't just being anal about it. :) Also of interest to me is how to remove fluoride accumulation in the body, or even prevent it, by means of nutrition. I came across this study where fluorisis was reversed in children, with ascorbic acid, calcium and vitamin D3. Reversal of fluorosis in children. Gupta SK, Gupta RC, Seth AK, Gupta A. Department of Physiology, SMS Medical College, Jaipur, India. Large populations consume fluoride-contaminated water, especially in developing countries. The toxic effects of fluorosis take three forms: clinical, skeletal and dental. Research thus far indicates that the manifestations of fluorosis are irreversible. However, it has been observed that the ingestion of calcium, vitamin C or vitamin D, individually, is effective in protection from fluoride toxicity to a certain extent. Therefore, a double blind control trial was conducted to examine the effect of a combination of calcium, vitamin D3 and ascorbic acid supplementation in fluorosis-affected children. In the present study, 25 children were selected from an area consuming water containing 4.5 p.p.m. of fluoride, All the children were in the age group 6-12 years and weighed 18-30 kg. They were graded for clinical, radiological and dental fluorosis and relevant biochemical parameters. Grade I skeletal fluorosis and all grades of the manifestation of dental and clinical fluorosis were observed. The children were given ascorbic acid, calcium and vitamin D3 well below the toxic dosages in a double blind manner using lactose as a placebo. Follow up revealed a significant improvement in dental, clinical and skeletal fluorosis and relevant biochemical parameters in these children. Thus, the study indicated that fluorosis can be reversed, at least in children, by a therapeutic regimen that is fairly cheap, simple and easily available and without any side effects. PMID: 8942013 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Also Mark Gold M.D. claims that high magnesium supplementation helps to REMOVE fluoride accumulation in tissues. [link to askwaltstollmd.com] ~we(me,kalindi,nimai and our unborn) need some help. [link to blogs.myspace.com] |
V User ID: 529863 United States 10/26/2008 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmm thanks OP that's a very interesting correlation. I do disagree with a couple of points on which you base some of you statements, but setting that aside, this also make sense with regards to so called Bi-Polar or Manic Depression or even Schizophrenia. If you are constantly providing both the upper and the downer as it were for the brain it's not just that nicotine is mitigating the fluoride, because it's not really, the fluoride does it's thing and then the nicotine does the opposite thing itself. Meaning the brain chemistry is constantly being screwed with from one extreme to the other. I loathe to share this with my still smoking family member sthough lol cuz they really don't need another excuse/rationalization to keep smoking. "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government." "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of the people." "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!" “…if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson from his death bed regarding his involvement in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. |
Skipper (OP) User ID: 448826 United States 10/26/2008 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i deleted this one cause it was a kinda iffy way to remove flouride.. in other words i wouldn't try it..lol ~we(me,kalindi,nimai and our unborn) need some help. [link to blogs.myspace.com] |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 506675 United States 10/26/2008 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i deleted this one cause it was a kinda iffy way remove flouride.. Quoting: SkipperHey Skipper, curezone rocks for info, but what you are quoting originated from [link to www.earthclinic.com] where Ted is the leading contributor. Both sites provide invaluable info. Highly recommend both. TXP . |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 506675 United States 10/26/2008 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whoaa......something strange happened with my last post. Seems I tried to quote it as you were deleting it and the posting God's got confused. This is what should have posted: Hey Skipper, curezone rocks for info, but what you are quoting originated from [link to www.earthclinic.com] where Ted is the leading contributor. Both sites provide invaluable info. Highly recommend both. www.curezone.com www.earthclinic.com TXP |
TX PATRIOT User ID: 506675 United States 10/26/2008 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is getting stranger and stranger. The full message didn't post correctly again. Let's try it again: Hey Skipper, curezone rocks for info, but what you are quoting originated from [link to www.earthclinic.com] where Ted is the leading contributor. Both sites provide invaluable info. Highly recommend both. www.curezone.com www.earthclinic.com TXP . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 530364 United States 10/26/2008 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks beefragafragious @ ATS Quoting: SkipperI've been doing research on fluoride for the past few weeks. What I uncovered is truly frightening. We've been told that fluoride is good for our teeth, but every single research report shows that this is not true at all. That fluoride has not, in one case, been helpful in tooth health. What is does do is quite interesting. It is a neuro-toxin, it attacks the nervous system. It is a by-product of fertilizer and aluminum production, therefore it bonds to aluminum quite well. The brain cannot tell the difference between fluoride and a hydrogen ion, allowing the fluoride to deposit itself within brain tissue. It inhibits cholergic activity, which which basically is the function your body uses to turn off receptors in the brain and body. The inability to turn these receptors off creates feelings of inner tension, restlessness, and the inability to stay still. Usually involving: constant pacing, purposeless movement of the feet and legs, and marked anxiety. Sound familiar? These are the symptoms so readily described as ADD or ADHD. Fluoride will enter the brain easily carrying with it the attached aluminum. Large amounts of aluminum have recently been associated with Alzheimer's and Parkinson;s disease. The International Society for Fluoride Research(ISFR) has reported studies implicating fluoride as a cause of chronic fatigue syndrome, sleep disorder, autism, down syndrome. There's more. Fluoxetine hydrochloride (Prozac, Fontex, Ladose, Sarafem.) Fluoxetine is an anti-depressant, anyone who knows what these evil drugs are capable of will know the danger this presents. Another use for Fluoride? Methylphosphonofluoridate, or Sarin nerve gas or more commonly know as mustard gas. Ever wonder how the Nazi's were able to get millions of Jews to walk themselves into their own death willingly? Fluoride has a profound effect of causing people to become more docile and open to suggestion. It makes you think twice about why people in this country don't seem to care about whats going on. Its not their fault entirely. There is so much more on fluoride, I could put a lot more, but now I will show you where nicotine fits into the picture. Nicotine, most know of it through smoking and tobacco use. I've always wondered why the US Government is so adament with anti-smoking and tobacco usage. The carcinogenic properties are bad yes, i don't condone smoking. I do however condone nicotine gum, or other nicotine treatments. Here is why. Nicotine has an adverse effect on fluoride. REmember how fluoride inhibits choleric activity? Nicotine excites them, rebounding and undoing fluorides effect. Nicotine is being used as a treatment for ADD and ADHD, Alzheimers, Parkinson's disease. I will not list the rest, for every single ailment fluoride is known to cause, nicotine has the reverse effect. It makes you wonder, why people who smoke may find a considerably less effect from prozac and other anti-depressents. Why most people with ADD and ADHD develope into smokers. WHY DO MOST DOCTORS SMOKE . Parkinson's disease is your brain's ability to recieve and use dopamine from the the blockage or death of braincells in the motor regions. The cause is UNKNOWN. On a side note, i'll mention again how fluoride enters the brain tissue easily and deposits aluminum at will, which has a conspicuous effect of killing brain cells and clogging up dopamine receptors. The most common treament is levodopa, a drug that increases dopamine levels, so that what receptors and brain cells you have left can recieve a better supply of dopamine. Funny, nicotine has the same effect. on a large level. LArge enough so that it becomes addictive. Your brain becomes used to the higher dopamine count, so when the dopamine stops coming, your brain says "hey, i want some more 'o' that." There is a lot more info. Here are some links for your own further research. [link to www.fluorideresearch.org] [link to www.epa.gov] [link to www.fluoridealert.org] Namaste* thanks for that ... been arguing with the grandson about fluoride for months now...seems his chemistry teacher is promoting its cavity fighting abilities...and is teaching that it is very beneficial for good health ... the links you provided should convince him about how wrong this propaganda is. |