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The Churches of Today Sadden and Disgust Me

 
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I'm a follower of Christ, but I haven't been to a church in a while, because every time I go to try to find one where the Spirit of the Lord is moving, it's nowhere to be found.

The Lord told me yesterday, Saturday, to go to this particular church today, and so I went. It was referred to me by a Christian months ago. I hadn't thought of it until yesterday when the Lord put it on my heart to go to this service today.

There were several disturbing things I heard that grieved my spirit all day long. First, while we were having the adult service, the children were downstairs having their own alternative to Halloween service. They were dressed as Biblical characters. Why in the world would Christians, who know of the pagan origins of Halloween and God's repeated commands to not mix pagan practices with His own and call them of the Lord, try to "dress up a whore" and call it Christian? It's still a whore, no matter if it's donned in fine Christian apparel. This boggles my mind.

Next, the pastor was wrapping up a months-long series sermon on the new covenant of Jesus Christ. He goes on to talk about how, once you've said the sinner's prayer and accepted Jesus into your life, God looks at us and sees nothing but Jesus' sacrifice on the cross for our sins, and God doesn't see our sins anymore but only Jesus' atonement for our sins. The pastor then says absolutely nothing about the circumcision of our hearts that must occur, the taking up of the cross daily, the crucifying of the flesh experience that occurs in the new birth. The way this pastor presented it, it's all over and done with at the sinner's prayer, and that's it, you're saved, you're on to glory, hallelujah, amen, I'm a recliner-chair Christian.

Another disturbing thing he said is that when Christians stray from the path, God is going to come after us and "hound" us because He wants to bless us. Ok, certain aspects of that I agree with, but on the other hand, the most important point of all is that sin separates us from God and allows the enemy to work all kinds of evil in our lives. The pastor said nothing about this.

The pastor also said that Jesus abolished the 10 commandments and did away with them, because, the pastor said, the 10 commandments were impossible to keep. This is not exactly the whole truth. Yes, in our fallen state, it is impossible, and no one does good and can fulfill every letter of the law in the fallen state, but at the same time, Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Does this mean we're to altogether abandon the 10 commandments? No. Jesus said, "if you love me, you'll keep my commandments." Love the Lord God with all your heart, and love your brother as yourself being the sum of all the commandments.

And then there was his diatribe on the rapture, that it could happen at any moment, and wouldn't it be lovely if we all were in the service together worshiping the Lord and we were to be raptured out of there all together and wouldn't have to face any more hardships.

But the clincher for me was the altar call. Several people raised their hands to accept Jesus at the end, and the pastor had them come up after the service to receive some handouts on being a Christian. Hello?! Some handouts?! Shouldn't these people be shepherded and carried along like a baby would at the beginning of this new life they're embarking on and possibly be assigned a mature Christian mentor to guide them?

Frankly, I'm saddened and I'm disgusted with the whole experience today, but it honestly doesn't surprise me. What truly disgusts me is that the church of today thinks they're actually ready to be raptured and meet the Lord, that they're spotless before Him. Well, I'm saying the Lord told me today that they stink to high heaven, and He's as disgusted with the state of affairs in the church today even more than I am. And this is why we need so desperately Joel's latter day rain outpouring of the Holy Spirit prophecy to happen soon. The body of Christ is in dire straits.
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Are you serious with this? What kind of fantasy world are you constructing here?
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10/26/2008 08:50 PM
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Wow, I hardly know what to say. What religion are you and where did you come up with all those crazy ideas? Here's a suggestion - start your own religion and write your own Bible too while you're at it. You've got some crazy ideas there.
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OP, why don't you join us in two message boards that I frequent.


This one, I am an admin on:

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These guys may be able to direct you. They are very spiritually driven. You won't hear any altar calls or the commandments were done away with from them.

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I had a very hard time finding one myself.

Seasons in and out of the church have been my norm.

It's so great that God meets you where you are!

(No matter where you are.)


Finding a church that's alive with the Lord is tough.

I like non-denominational Bible believing churches.


Make your requests known and see where the Lord leads you.

Shine on.
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Yes I'm bumping a four year old thread but how is kids dressing up as biblical characters dressing up as a whore, or however you put it?
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The pastor then says absolutely nothing about the circumcision of our hearts that must occur, the taking up of the cross daily, the crucifying of the flesh experience that occurs in the new birth. The way this pastor presented it, it's all over and done with at the sinner's prayer, and that's it, you're saved, you're on to glory, hallelujah, amen, I'm a recliner-chair Christian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483767


headbang

Exactly!!


Christians end up spiritually stillborn, because they're convinced that mouthing an incantation actually effects real change, when in reality, it barely scratches the surface.

If we're *really* following Jesus, we'll be led through Gethsemane ("the olive press", where the oil flows) to the Cross (death of the corrupt self). Most christianity, however, merely consists of coping mechanisms.
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Do yourself a favor and stay away from churches.
Read the Bible/Torah yourself, meditate on it, ask the Lord for salvation throught the blood of the Messiah, begin to keep the Lords Fest Days, Honor! the Sabbath (on friday evening to saturday evening), repent of your sins and begin a new life

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Are you serious with this? What kind of fantasy world are you constructing here?
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Go to almost and happy clappy type church..you will see OP was spot on..and even held back a lot of the garbage and crap they go on with.

Jesus left the church YEARS ago.

But he CAN be founf IN the heart..if you seriously SEEK him.

he waits..ya just have to seek..and you will find.

But ya wont find him in a church..all you find there is greed and self rigousness and tradition and compromise and "Entertainment" and a feely touchy feel good sort of watered down swillage that they TRY so hard to pass of as true christianity.
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Yes I'm bumping a four year old thread but how is kids dressing up as biblical characters dressing up as a whore, or however you put it?
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It's not dressing up *as* a whore; it's about disguising self-indulgent sycophants with the facade of true followers. Notice how 99% of everything christians do and create mirrors the ways of "the world". It's just another clique with the same pursuits as everyone else. Christianity Inc. is probably the biggest slice of the economic pie there is. This is something we probably shouldn't be proud of.

Churches are basically the Harlot. Catholicism is their Mother. Christianity is "betrothed" to Christ, but they'll bend over for any teaching or fad or business model that promises them success and prestige.
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it might be helpful to you to seek out a church that can trace it's roots to either the westminster confession of 1646 or the london confession of 1689
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what else would you expect from a pastor. follow christ, period.
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they used to be much worse than just a refuge for child rapists.
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I am SO GRATEFUL for whoever bumped this thread. I have felt this for so long and my son keeps bugging me about going to church but I just don't have it in my heart to try another one.
I want to get baptised and years ago all you had to do was say the word and you could get baptised that following week or heck if it was a revival, that same hour! LOL
Now it is all this paperwork and approval and making a commitment to join THAT particular church. IF you can find a church that is even baptisizing people!
I do my own bible study and watch sermons on youtube. I just feel like most of the churches are for entertainment and social climbing. It is so sad.
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Yeah, ditto. Apart from not wanting to give money to a spiritually dead church, I really don't want to hand my kids over and have them taught separately because god knows what they are teaching or doing to them in that basement. The church is so infected at this point, it is better to avoid them. Which is sad because we are commanded to participate in church, but which one is real anymore? Where are the kids safe from pedos and psychos?
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Follow the money...
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Follow the money...
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Or the doctrines...

Thread: REPENT SINNERS...or ELSE..or else what you might ask?
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I disagree op. I thank my lucky stars for churches these days, they are the only place you can go to find chicks that want to get laid and like it in every way. When I feel horny I show up for church.
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heh, you would literally throw up if you went to my parents new church. It was like some giant creepy psyop. The communion was taken with some strange little disposable cup (looks like a creamer cup/shot). and I think some packaged wafer thing. Everyone there looked like they were scared shitless, and afraid to even make one non pre approved pre planned footstep. Being of the fold is one thing, but this was pure scary sheepdom.

Then they proceeded to the effeminate praise and worship, which was beyond gag me. A bunch off little sniveling twirps playing emo guitar, and expecting men hardened by the world to join in. Jeesh.

If they had to be a man like the actual jesus they would die instantly.

It was a group therapy session with a bunch of sniveling whining prosperity cultural slobs. Also most of the women were dressed like whore. Sickening, sickening.

I could go on and on.

sweet Jesus!
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the whole god thing disgusts me. i mean really...
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heh, you would literally throw up if you went to my parents new church. It was like some giant creepy psyop. The communion was taken with some strange little disposable cup (looks like a creamer cup/shot). and I think some packaged wafer thing. Everyone there looked like they were scared shitless, and afraid to even make one non pre approved pre planned footstep. Being of the fold is one thing, but this was pure scary sheepdom.

Then they proceeded to the effeminate praise and worship, which was beyond gag me. A bunch off little sniveling twirps playing emo guitar, and expecting men hardened by the world to join in. Jeesh.

If they had to be a man like the actual jesus they would die instantly.

It was a group therapy session with a bunch of sniveling whining prosperity cultural slobs. Also most of the women were dressed like whore. Sickening, sickening.

I could go on and on.

sweet Jesus!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34505908


Sounds like ya went to a benny Hinn crusade.
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The Church is its own Anti-Christ. The ultimate deceipt.
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OP speaks of Churches and then gives no mention of personal reflection of a teaching graciously received from one with a heart open to believe.

I hope OP has learnt within these four years passed where it be that a Church of Christ beats free.
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What "saddens and disgusts me" is that the simple faith Jesus came to establish was replaced in the third century by "churchianity". Jesus said he'd be there "whenever two or three gather" in his name, and that the time had come to worship God "in spirit and truth" rather than sacred places.

It took people less than a generation to turn the Body into the Business.

As far as worship style goes, it's irrelevant. Besides, who thinks that the Bride of Christ should be manly (the opposite of effeminate, which so many people think must equate to "bad")? A masculine bride??

But none of that matters. What matters is living the faith, helping people, and spreading the gospel. Everything else is a ball and chain.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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The pastor then says absolutely nothing about the circumcision of our hearts that must occur, the taking up of the cross daily, the crucifying of the flesh experience that occurs in the new birth. The way this pastor presented it, it's all over and done with at the sinner's prayer, and that's it, you're saved, you're on to glory, hallelujah, amen, I'm a recliner-chair Christian.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483767


Yes. I agree. I like that you quoted the "circumcision of our hearts that must occur". Most Christians don't know what this means. It kind of means to gain strong integrity by feeling right from wrong. Today Christians follow the Church rather than their own heart, which is sad. The Heart is like a compass or rudder that will guide all who have a light heart back home.


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"pick up the smalles rock , and there he is".
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Are you serious with this? What kind of fantasy world are you constructing here?
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Go to almost and happy clappy type church..you will see OP was spot on..and even held back a lot of the garbage and crap they go on with.

Jesus left the church YEARS ago.

But he CAN be founf IN the heart..if you seriously SEEK him.

he waits..ya just have to seek..and you will find.

But ya wont find him in a church..all you find there is greed and self rigousness and tradition and compromise and "Entertainment" and a feely touchy feel good sort of watered down swillage that they TRY so hard to pass of as true christianity.
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^^^^^^^ thats why poeple dont go , well said!
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I dont go to church! I think the church is completly infiltrated by evil and lies! After you know about codex, agenda 21 , 911 cover up from hell ! How do you seriously go sit in church and listen to yada yada yada! Once I knew everything I was told in my life was a complete lie I was pissed! America is a giant lie! Isnt it the churches job to tell the truth? I feel the truth isnt being told ?
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How do we ? Americans ? Just sit here and watch our country be completely destroyed? I truly dont get it!

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