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What Right Wingers Mean When They Call Obama a "Socialist"

 
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Makes you wonder what will happen if Obama would happen to not win a very close race. Think about 2000 and it's all down to Florida and they have problems like hanging chads again!!!

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What Right Wingers Mean When They Call Obama a "Socialist"

Right-wing attempts to paint Barack Obama as a socialist aren't just disingenuous. They're rooted in a history of conservative smears against black leaders.

Adam Serwer | October 13, 2008 | web only



On Saturday, Georgia Congressman John Lewis went nuclear on John McCain, releasing a statement that seemed to compare McCain to segregationist George Wallace. "George Wallace never threw a bomb," Lewis wrote. "He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who only desired to exercise their constitutional rights." The civil rights icon continued, "Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed one Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama."

Lewis accused McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin of "sowing the seeds of hatred and division." He was referring to the angry tone of recent McCain rallies, where cries of "kill him" and "off with his head" have made many people anxious about the potential for violence against the Democratic nominee.

It's no wonder that the tone at McCain rallies remind Lewis of the bad old days. In recent months, conservatives have sounded increasingly retro with their attempts to paint Obama as a socialist or communist. In some ways, this accusation is typical far-right boilerplate. Obama certainly isn't the first Democrat running for president to be accused of communist sympathies. And as usual, the accusations are rarely linked to policy specifics. But the difference with Obama is that, in the eyes of the right, it's not just his political affiliation that implicates him as a socialist. It's his ethnic background.

The hysterical accusations of socialism from conservatives echo similar accusations leveled at black leaders in the past, as though the quest for racial parity were simply a left-wing plot. Obama may not actually be a socialist or communist, but his election would strike another powerful blow to the informal racial hierarchy that has existed in America since the 1960s, when it ceased being enforced by law. This hierarchy, which holds that whiteness is synonymous with American-ness, is one conservatives are now instinctively trying to preserve. Like black civil-rights activists of the 1960s, Obama symbolizes the destruction of a social order they see as fundamentally American, which is why terms like "socialism" are used to describe the threat.
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True, some informal social orders within the USA will dissapear if Obama wins. This kind of change is what many (not all) anti-Obama people are affraid of.
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I rarely tend to agree with you Ice but this one is right (no pun intended) on. Good post!
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Ice, that's just crap. I would never, in my mind, equate socialist with any race.

I'm sick and tired of everytime someone disagrees with someone of a different color - it being labeled as racism.

I call BS on racism rants.

BS BS BS
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The typical right winger means communist when they say socialist.
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Dear, dear OP

We go by their POLITICS and what they SAY they believe - NOT by their color.

Learn to discern.
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Re: What Right Wingers Mean When They Call Obama a "Socialist"
Obama said on camera that he wishes to redistribute the wealth - this is socialism.

This being said it does not matter who wins as we are headed for a severe depression and the economy may collapse entirely.
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yeah, might as well call a spade a spade.
He's a Communist not a Socialist.
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Obama said on camera that he wishes to redistribute the wealth - this is socialism.

This being said it does not matter who wins as we are headed for a severe depression and the economy may collapse entirely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 520854

Mccain said the same thing..only difference he will
give the tax break to the wealthy...wake up....mccain
is shitting in your face and your taking it...damm
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Oh, I get it. Another ploy to make those who don't support Obama out as racist.
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Obama said on camera that he wishes to redistribute the wealth - this is socialism.

This being said it does not matter who wins as we are headed for a severe depression and the economy may collapse entirely.

Mccain said the same thing..only difference he will
give the tax break to the wealthy...wake up....mccain
is shitting in your face and your taking it...damm
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doesn't matter anyway the economy is fucked beyond repair
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sad that only a couple of you get the thread

maybe I should start a new thread on that

no one can read and understand anymore!!!



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Check this out Ice.

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Obama said on camera that he wishes to redistribute the wealth - this is socialism.

This being said it does not matter who wins as we are headed for a severe depression and the economy may collapse entirely.
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Yes but that makes Obama's brilliant ideas easier to implement.

Welcome to USSR for real.

Where the government tells you that you will be making $15,000 per year for your engineering job, or $15,000 per year for your school teacher position.

What part of Barack Hussein Obama is NOT Muslim?

He has been taught by one of the most extreme forms Muslim teaching...to hate. Except now that he will be president he will be able to control the people and use them like slaves for his Sharia Law.

Again enjoy your last years on earth.
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Great post. Thank you.

If anyone is concerned about socialism, look at what Paulson and Bernake have done over the last month.

We are already on a slippery slope.

The next administration is critical to the history and future of the country.
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To those that fear that Obama is a socialist and will wreck the economy, concerning the taxes, what Obama proposes is to go back to the tax rates during the Clinton era. Fine if you think that's socialism, but look at these figures:

January 21st 1993: 3,241.95 (opening bell)
January 19th 2001: 10,587.59 (closing bell)
October 24th 2008: 8,378.95 (closing bell)

During Clinton DJIA went up with 7345.64 points. Standing G.W. Bush on October 24th 2008: -2208.64 points.

[link to finance.yahoo.com]

[link to finance.yahoo.com]

And Bush cut the tax rates for the wealthy assuming that it will create jobs and improve investments, but at the same time run record federal budget deficits.

Now McCain proposes more tax rate cuts, but honestly how do you want to fund the federal budget? It is estimated that the federal budget deficit will rise with 5 trillion with McCain's plan!
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To those that fear that Obama is a socialist and will wreck the economy, concerning the taxes, what Obama proposes is to go back to the tax rates during the Clinton era. Fine if you think that's socialism, but look at these figures:

January 21st 1993: 3,241.95 (opening bell)
January 19th 2001: 10,587.59 (closing bell)
October 24th 2008: 8,378.95 (closing bell)

During Clinton DJIA went up with 7345.64 points. Standing G.W. Bush on October 24th 2008: -2208.64 points.

[link to finance.yahoo.com]

[link to finance.yahoo.com]

And Bush cut the tax rates for the wealthy assuming that it will create jobs and improve investments, but at the same time run record federal budget deficits.

Now McCain proposes more tax rate cuts, but honestly how do you want to fund the federal budget? It is estimated that the federal budget deficit will rise with 5 trillion with McCain's plan!
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It's all talk look at his record not his words!!!!
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It strikes me by definition that any entity that collects funds and then uses those funds to benefit it's contributors equally no matter how much they contributed has to be socialistic. By that definition ALL ENTITIES/governments/etc are then socialist barring none. The minute they take my $ and combine it with someone elses $100. and build roads we both travel on it's socialist. By this definition those who have it get it and those who don't simply don't unless wealth is used to benifit society which is socialism no? Just sayin....
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Obama said on camera that he wishes to redistribute the wealth - this is socialism.

This being said it does not matter who wins as we are headed for a severe depression and the economy may collapse entirely.
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Oh, hell!!!! It's going to collapse no matter who in the next President!

I knew people would blame Obama for it. Golly Gee...where are your brains?
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I was bringing up the point that anything brought against Obama turns into a race issue!!

Here you have a black man writing about Right Wingers. Do you have to be a Right Winger to question Obama about being a Socialist>>???

Obama could lose this race does that mean he didn't win because he is Black>???


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I was bringing up the point that anything brought against Obama turns into a race issue!!

Here you have a black man writing about Right Wingers. Do you have to be a Right Winger to question Obama about being a Socialist>>???

Obama could lose this race does that mean he didn't win because he is Black>???


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Well, when he loses - and he will lose - there will be many that will say

"he didn't win because he is Black"

And they are the most racist of ALL.
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The hysterical accusations of socialism from conservatives echo similar accusations leveled at black leaders in the past, as though the quest for racial parity were simply a left-wing plot. Obama may not actually be a socialist or communist, but his election would strike another powerful blow to the informal racial hierarchy that has existed in America since the 1960s, when it ceased being enforced by law. This hierarchy, which holds that whiteness is synonymous with American-ness, is one conservatives are now instinctively trying to preserve. Like black civil-rights activists of the 1960s, Obama symbolizes the destruction of a social order they see as fundamentally American, which is why terms like "socialism" are used to describe the threat.
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What I wonder about is do you believe the part in bold?
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Oh, I get it. Another ploy to make those who don't support Obama out as racist.
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Just the ones who can't seem to control the "off with his head" sentiment welling up from their hearts. True this rings of ye old guillotine times instead of the lynching era....but I would wager that nobody would have yelled things like that if it were Hilliary getting ready to spank the republicans.
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Obama said on camera that he wishes to redistribute the wealth - this is socialism.

This being said it does not matter who wins as we are headed for a severe depression and the economy may collapse entirely.
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And this collapse of the economy was under the watch of whom?
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Re: What Right Wingers Mean When They Call Obama a "Socialist"
I was bringing up the point that anything brought against Obama turns into a race issue!!

Here you have a black man writing about Right Wingers. Do you have to be a Right Winger to question Obama about being a Socialist>>???

Obama could lose this race does that mean he didn't win because he is Black>???


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...or is McCain losing because he's white. Think about it. This is a deep deep thread.
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The hysterical accusations of socialism from conservatives echo similar accusations leveled at black leaders in the past, as though the quest for racial parity were simply a left-wing plot. Obama may not actually be a socialist or communist, but his election would strike another powerful blow to the informal racial hierarchy that has existed in America since the 1960s, when it ceased being enforced by law. This hierarchy, which holds that whiteness is synonymous with American-ness, is one conservatives are now instinctively trying to preserve. Like black civil-rights activists of the 1960s, Obama symbolizes the destruction of a social order they see as fundamentally American, which is why terms like "socialism" are used to describe the threat.

What I wonder about is do you believe the part in bold?
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I would hope you don't think that I would be part of that!!

You don't know me at all do you???


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Makes you wonder what will happen if Obama would happen to not win a very close race. Think about 2000 and it's all down to Florida and they have problems like hanging chads again!!!

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"The hysterical accusations of socialism from conservatives echo similar accusations leveled at black leaders in the past, as though the quest for racial parity were simply a left-wing plot. "

An excellent post Ice. I am not American, nor black or any other minority for that matter. I'm looking from the outside in, what I see is not pretty. The Conservatives in your country are terrified of not being in control, especially if it means that a black man will have the reins of power. Perhaps it's karma that frightens them. What goes around comes around.

I wish you all luck because you will surely need it no matter how this goes!
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Before you think that basic socialism is a mind numbingly evil blight upon the land I might direct your attention to Europe. For any of you that have ever been in Europe long enough to understand their day to day life and a bit of what they live with, we know it is not a devastating condition. Don't get me wrong full blown communism IS for most societies. I have no doubt that Obama is not a Communist........ A socialist leaning liberal, Yes.

In any event..... what concerns me the most is that he will completely ignore the national debt and race us ever closer to bankruptcy, if we are not already there...... But then again McCain would put us on a course to do the same thing.

Here is where I insert another plug for Dr. Ron Paul....... anyway..........

I think back to the Bill Clinton years and remember that he realized a budget surplus, however it was at the expense of decimating the military. Now I'm not for military domination of the world, but I do see the importance for continued strength in this area as long as it is used in the proper way.

We as a nation are spoiled beyond belief, most of us anyway. I realize many will disagree, but I really do believe it's the truth.

Given that Democracy even in a similar form of a Republic has a historically limited life span, Perhaps the pendulum is now swinging the other way for the US. No matter how angry it may make us it is not the end of life, just the end of life as we have known it.


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Sorry Ice I have to retract my first reply once again I disagree with you. The problem here is you post the article and that's it. Perhaps if you indicated what you are getting at your responses might be more to the point.
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Re: What Right Wingers Mean When They Call Obama a "Socialist"
Wait a minute, when was it wrong to have socialist views?

Socialism and Communism have completely different viewpoints.

Do you guys believe in free health care, and or a benefits system for those who are unable to work?

Do you see those successfully applied in a communist regime?

In the UK the labour party, originally started as the Scottish socialist party, and blossomed into a national movement, first a pressure group and then a political party.

You don't have to be right wing to be a socialist.

Socialism doesn’t dictate what you earn as a salary, it tries to have controls on what it considers a fair wage.

This is where the minimum wage comes from, another socialist idea.

The idea of redistribution of wealth can be interpreted in many ways.

The most obvious is taking all current monies and dividing them up between all citizens, usual after a coup of a monarchy.

The other is to change the way money is distributed, i.e. tax breaks for the working class, and higher taxes for those that earn more.

I am surprised on a conspiracy website everyone is getting upset about socialism, it holds dear, many of the ideas you do.

Socialism has nothing to do with race, in my opinion socialism can be a good thing, however I don’t believe communism is good in any form.

Obama should clarify what he means as redistribution of wealth, and then you can see where he stands.
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Sorry Ice I have to retract my first reply once again I disagree with you. The problem here is you post the article and that's it. Perhaps if you indicated what you are getting at your responses might be more to the point.
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