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What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 370399
10/28/2008 9:41 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
And, just for the record, all of those illnesses that you attribute to smoking, Don't be so sure about that.
Its easy to blame smoking as a common denominator when everyone smokes. So now that so many have quit, are the rates of those illnesses going-down?
No. So they blame "second-hand" smoke! This current genration could produce people who have truly not been exposed to smoke or smoking, so we shall soon see how much good it has done.
tell that to my mom & dad you stupid, stupid person. Oh wait, you can't.
You act like it's his fault your parents are dead. Grow up.
oh good gawd - ummmm fucktardo - I'm blaming the other poster for spreading lies about the effects of smoking. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487397
Being mad at him for having an opinion isn't going to bring your parents back. Let it go. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 367820
10/28/2008 9:42 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
You can spot a smoker by the face.aged
It is heavy drinking that causes the aged look, not smoking. I look like I am in my early 30's and I am over 50. Most drinkers smoke, so I can see why people think that.
Not always true. I have always been told by people that I don't look my age. I'm 70 now, and have smoked for about 50 years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429245 |
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scimitar
User ID: 535946
10/28/2008 9:47 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
And 60% of individuals that get lung cancer will wonder why since they never had a cigarrete in their life. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496203
10/28/2008 9:52 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
DO NOT SMOKE = SMOKE
Brain likes to ignore the word: NOT
So what, tobacco company can't advertise but can give fundings to anti-tobacco guys -> tax vise marketing |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 515507
10/28/2008 10:14 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
And, just for the record, all of those illnesses that you attribute to smoking, Don't be so sure about that.
Its easy to blame smoking as a common denominator when everyone smokes. So now that so many have quit, are the rates of those illnesses going-down?
No. So they blame "second-hand" smoke! This current genration could produce people who have truly not been exposed to smoke or smoking, so we shall soon see how much good it has done. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 537127
Yes, think about this, do some research.
High Lung Cancer Rates = Above Ground Nuclear Testing
And now the smearing of our environment with depleted uranium weapons.
But don't mistake what I've said, smoking does cause emphysema, and If you have loved someone dying from this you will never see cigarettes in the same way. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 503861
10/28/2008 10:37 AM | |
locomotion
User ID: 257549
10/28/2008 10:45 AM
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And, just for the record, all of those illnesses that you attribute to smoking, Don't be so sure about that.
Its easy to blame smoking as a common denominator when everyone smokes. So now that so many have quit, are the rates of those illnesses going-down?
No. So they blame "second-hand" smoke! This current genration could produce people who have truly not been exposed to smoke or smoking, so we shall soon see how much good it has done.
tell that to my mom & dad you stupid, stupid person. Oh wait, you can't.
You act like it's his fault your parents are dead. Grow up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 370399
Well it is a GREAT way to divide us once again isn't it?
Non-smokers can feel smug and virtuous and look down upon all those nasty smokers.
Smokers can get their backs up (after being pushed to the wall) and look down on those who take up the socially engineered cause of 'stamping out smoking as the root of all evil'.
See how well this works?
Original post said it all - there are just too many pollutants and carcinogens available in every breath we take to seriously believe that TPTB are truly concerned about our lung health. It could be the long term health cost issues, but how about all those other risky behaviours people engage in?
Maybe cigs are a test case and soon thin people can expect to order Big Mac eaters to 'get that nasty stuff away from me!'
Or green tea drinkers can demand a separate area from caffeine-laden black tea drinkers.
Coming soon to a theater near you?
If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately. ~Thomas Paine
I've been dead before. ~Spock, The Unknown Country (PEACE) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 523648
10/28/2008 10:51 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Whilst walking down a busy road you are breathing in an unknown amount of toxic chemicals from vehicles in the road.
Whilst driving a car you are breathing even more toxic chemicals than walking. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 519459
10/28/2008 10:51 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
uhhhh - 'cause most of us don't want to be breathing in your shitty smelling, illness causing smoke? Just a guess. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487397
yur, breathing shitty automobile smoke eberyday? lots of it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 361733
10/28/2008 10:52 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
because America just like most west European countries already have, will be getting a free national healthcare service eventually and they dont want to spend $50 billion dollars a year treating bronchitis, emphysema and lung cancer victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 537082
You hit the nail on the head |
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entropy
User ID: 527385
10/28/2008 10:52 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
The real reason is despite the money brought in by taxes on Cigarettes the cost on the healthcare system of treating smoking related illness is quite staggering.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514253
10/28/2008 11:02 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
They spend millions of dollars on advertising anti smoking, ban smoking just about everywhere in public. I mean WTF. I don't believe for one minute that they care about our health since they are happy to spray chemtrails, continue to use fossil fuels, flouride in water, pesticides in food. Well, you get the picture.
So what's the real reason they are singling out smokers.
so that we only sue the companies,not the government.
to protect their asses.
Why would we want to sue the government or the company for that matter. No one makes anyone smoke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 534600
Actually there are veterans right now who are trying to sue the government (they will never win) because C-Rations back in Vietnam contained cigarettes. So they were incouraged to smoke. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 336381
10/28/2008 11:10 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
It's the giant pharmaceutical companies who manufacture smoking cessation products (patches, gum, pills, etc.), who've bought and paid for every smoking ban in the world. They (and their "foundations") fund all the so-called non-profit groups, such as American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, ASH, etc., (and their counterparts in other countries), to lobby governments, produce sham "studies" about the effects of SHS, and inundate the media with lies about smoking and smokers. Big Pharma also shovels huge funding into organizations like the WHO, and in return, WHO runs around hammering on every government in the world to go along with the Framework Tobacco Treaty (which calls for banning smoking everywhere, denormalizing and demonizing smokers, banning tobacco advertisements, etc.).
It's a total scam and it's taking place on a planetary level. Big Pharma is spending a fortune to wrestle away the tobacco (nicotine) market from tobacco companies to themselves. But they rake in untold billions on their snake oil, non-effective trash products, so it's worth every penny to them. Every one of these fuckers should be in jail, but instead they're laughing all the way to the bank.
So, to set the record straight for those who're still confused about this:
Smoking bans aren't the result of spontaneous "grass roots" groups of non-smokers springing up all over the place for smoking bans. Your smoking ban was bought and paid for by well heeled strangers from out of town. So was everyone else's.
There are some 80-90 studies which make up the so-called "mountain" of evidence that secondhand smoke is harmful. Every one of them is directly or indirectly funded by Big Pharma. So how harmful is SHS? The average Risk Ratio (for cancer risk) from every one of these studies is 1.19. The Risk Ratio (for cancer risk) from drinking milk? It's 2.5. The fact is, any study that produces a Risk Ratio of less than 3.0 is considered statistical noise and is discarded as evidence of anything. Oh, but not with smoking. Those particular studies are published without critical comment and trumpeted out to the press with misleading headlines. Big Pharma does not mind corrupting science when it comes to making a fast buck.
The percentage of smokers who contract lung cancer is wildly overstated. IF you believe that smoking "causes" cancer (hard to prove scientifically with such a multifactorial disease), then understand that ACTUAL studies on this (not misleading headlines) indicate that about 7%-8% of smokers contract lung cancer. That's higher than non-smokers, but it's a far cry from the meme that ALL smokers get lung cancer.
Smoking cessation products have a dismal failure record, and in some cases they can be harmful, if not fatal. DON'T BUY THESE PRODUCTS!! All you're doing is handing Big Pharma you're hard earned money so that they can continue to marginalize you out of society. These products literally ARE various forms of snake oil and none of them work. The best way to quit smoking is to go cold turkey. The best way to get Big Pharma out of your government, your press, your neighborhood bar, your doctor's office and your wallet, is to stop buying their products. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 481329
10/28/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
And, just for the record, all of those illnesses that you attribute to smoking, Don't be so sure about that.
Its easy to blame smoking as a common denominator when everyone smokes. So now that so many have quit, are the rates of those illnesses going-down?
No. So they blame "second-hand" smoke! This current genration could produce people who have truly not been exposed to smoke or smoking, so we shall soon see how much good it has done. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 537127
agreed... it's the cars and factories dudes and dudettes...
if you live in the city, you have no idea the foul smell you people breathe in each and every day...
take a six month vacation in some pure mountain air, then drive back into a valley city and try to breathe that same freshness... not gonna happen, and you might end up gagging everytime you drive along the freeway...
that is what is causing lung cancers into the thousands in non smokers... not second hand smoke that is occasionally breathed in in passing by... get the fuck out and learn a little something |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487325
10/28/2008 11:22 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Laura Bush smokes.
Nancy Reagan smokes.
Guess who else? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 481329
10/28/2008 11:24 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
uhhhh - 'cause most of us don't want to be breathing in your shitty smelling, illness causing smoke? Just a guess.
But most people still will poison themselves with incense, various types of glade type smelly shits, oil warmers, scent sprays, etc. Lysol, all that shit, it's all way worse for your health than second hand tobacco smoke.
Hell, your cologne or deodorant is probably a greater threat to humanity (and your own health!)at large than any cigarette. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 370399
yup... all that will get in your LUNGS |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 534551
10/28/2008 11:24 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
You can spot a smoker by the face.aged
Not always true. I have always been told by people that I don't look my age. I'm 70 now, and have smoked for about 50 years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429245
Good for you man :)
Have a great day |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487325
10/28/2008 11:26 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Truman smoked, Ike smoked, JFK smoked cigars. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487325
10/28/2008 11:29 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Anne Hathaway kept nipping out for secret cigarettes at the Hollywood Life House at the Toronto Film Festival. A spy says, "Her people don't want anyone to know she smokes." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487325
10/28/2008 11:36 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Ted Casablanca of E! Online reports Jessica Simpson was spotted at the smoking floor of the ritzy Le Meridien resort in Cancun, Mexico. Meanwhile, Ted says Simpson was later spotted at the CBS Radford lot in Studio City sitting in her Mercedes “as she inhaled somethin’ fierce on one of those death-expediting cigs.” |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 536647
10/28/2008 11:37 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
NEVER true.
This is just repeated disinformation.You can spot a smoker by the face.aged Quoting: Anonymous Coward 534949 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 536647
10/28/2008 11:39 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
The same can be said for the taxes that are paid out to people who have kids from those who don't
YOUR kids are costing EVERYBODY billions a year, no matter how stupid or ugly they are.
These costs are unfair on other people who haven't spent their lives fucking everybody.yes but in the last two years of their life they require a disproportionate amount of healthcare costs. in a free national health system at the point of use, these costs are unfair on other people who havent spent their lives poisoning themselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 537082 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 528081
10/28/2008 11:42 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
I read a huge article just the other day about how nicotine reverses all the damage from flouride, can't remember where i read it |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 481329
10/28/2008 11:42 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
There are some 80-90 studies which make up the so-called "mountain" of evidence that secondhand smoke is harmful. Every one of them is directly or indirectly funded by Big Pharma. So how harmful is SHS? The average Risk Ratio (for cancer risk) from every one of these studies is 1.19. The Risk Ratio (for cancer risk) from drinking milk? It's 2.5. The fact is, any study that produces a Risk Ratio of less than 3.0 is considered statistical noise and is discarded as evidence of anything. Oh, but not with smoking. Those particular studies are published without critical comment and trumpeted out to the press with misleading headlines. Big Pharma does not mind corrupting science when it comes to making a fast buck.
The percentage of smokers who contract lung cancer is wildly overstated. IF you believe that smoking "causes" cancer (hard to prove scientifically with such a multifactorial disease), then understand that ACTUAL studies on this (not misleading headlines) indicate that about 7%-8% of smokers contract lung cancer. That's higher than non-smokers, but it's a far cry from the meme that ALL smokers get lung cancer.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 336381
just in case all you losers missed the good information |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487325
10/28/2008 11:42 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
The Secret Holder scoffed when his schools weekly bulletin had had a now nigh weekly reminder that due to potential Department of Health citations, smokers, if they had to smoke, should do it "across the street..." He knew that it was not to him that they were referring. He thought he was the secretest smoker in the world. He always hid out somewhere else when he smoked. He wasn't one of those hags who smoked outside, on campus, behind the window of the nurse's office, wafting in billows of smokey smokiness, much to the chagrin of the school Aides in there. He was the Super Secret Smoker- when he got done at 5:10 PM, even though every fiber of his being was thirsting for nicotine, he always waited until he was at least three blocks away. He didn't want to lose credibility with the kids (who he probably teased and scolded when he saw them smoking last year). |
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Brwnstown
User ID: 526783
10/28/2008 11:42 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
because America just like most west European countries already have, will be getting a free national healthcare service eventually and they dont want to spend $50 billion dollars a year treating bronchitis, emphysema and lung cancer victims.
Smokers tend to not live as long as non smokers and in the long run cost less than healthier people for health care and social security payouts.
yes but in the last two years of their life they require a disproportionate amount of healthcare costs. in a free national health system at the point of use, these costs are unfair on other people who havent spent their lives poisoning themselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 537082
Well they better break out the anti aids ads because hiv and aids health care costs are way higher. |
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Mercuriel 
Finaliter
User ID: 517012
10/28/2008 11:44 AM
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One theory is that smokers' lungs are coated with gunk, preventing some of the biological weapons from colonizing the human lung. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 314389
Peace, Light, Life, Love, Unity and Harmony.
Namaste,
Mercuriel |
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SickDaveMondo
User ID: 512195
10/28/2008 11:44 AM
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You can spot a smoker by the face.aged Quoting: Anonymous Coward 534949
I'm 36 and I still get carded once in a while. People usually think I am about 25, and I've smoked since I was 17.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 536647
10/28/2008 11:45 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Should have also mentioned the disproportionate amount of money paid through the nose because INFLATION for those little bastards, and their pathetic breeding, non-thinking parents...The same can be said for the taxes that are paid out to people who have kids from those who don't
YOUR kids are costing EVERYBODY billions a year, no matter how stupid or ugly they are.
These costs are unfair on other people who haven't spent their lives fucking everybody. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536647 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 487325
10/28/2008 11:48 AM | | Re: What's the real reason governments want smokers to quit? | Quote |
Smokeasy: In the wake of law enforcement crackdowns on bars which violate the state's no smoking laws, bar owners and patrons are engaging in Prohibition-style strategies such as setting up lookouts for police, using phone trees to warn each other of impending busts, providing secret smoking chambers and keeping at the ready a supply of Altoids tins filled with water for quick snuffing. Tomorrow the Santa Clara County District Attorney's office will release a Top 10 list of the worst smoking bars in the county.
KIDS ARE NOT A HABIT, STUPID. |
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