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Freemasons Acquire Rare Templar Book from Vatican Secret Archives

 
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I care for an elderly freemason and am privy to some of the communcations from the Southern Jurisdiction. On page 9 of their November-December Journal they announced their acquisition of a copy of Processus Contra Templarios (The Trial of the Templars) from the Vatican Secret Archives. These papers contain the confessions of 72 Templar knights to a commission appointed by Pope Clement V during an interrogation that occurred from June 28 to July 2, 1308. Also included in the papers is the Chinon Parchment, the the papal absolution of the Templars from charges of heresy. The Templars, including Grand Master Jacques de DeMolay were questioned at Chinon Castle and denied their earlier confessions and received absolution. It is believed that Clement V had plans to reform the order with a new role, however, before the order was reformed, Phillip the Fair of France, the civil authority, overstepped his jurisdiction and destroyed the Templars for heresy, an ecclesiastical offence. The Chinon Parchment was misfiled in the Vatican Secret Archives and only rediscovered in 2001 by Dr. Barbara Frale.

Also of note is the classification of the Templar origin of the Freemasons as a "popular myth." This legend has been traced to a speech by Chevalier Andrew Michael Ramsay to the Grand Lodge of France in 1737 where he asserted that Freemasonry descended from "crusading knights" not stoneworkers. The crusdaing knights naturally became the Knights Templar and chivalric degrees were appended to many rites. The article states: "[w]hile there is no evidence to support the historical truth of Templar origins of Freemasonry, the legend does teach symbolic truths. It is for this reason and for a better understanding our legends and traditions that Processus Contra Templarios is such an important addition to the Library."

Only 799 copies were issued.

The Supreme Council has copy 504 of 799.
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Interesting.


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Templar Secrets:

Jesus was a twin
the Magdalene had a daughter
They were working on forming a single religion between the Jews, Muslims, and Christians
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The Biggest "mistake" the Templars made was being wealthy ... Phillip the Fair of France ... wanted are their property so he went after them. Today we are taught the Templars were evil ... yes there was some bad people in the Templars but the institution was basically good in nature.
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Templar Secrets:

Jesus was a twin
the Magdalene had a daughter
They were working on forming a single religion between the Jews, Muslims, and Christians
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The Templars and Islam
Paul Bembridge, M.Phil.
Despite their historic role as a military Christian order in a frontier battle against Islam, both in the Near East and in the Iberian Peninsula, the Knights Templar of the 12th and 13th centuries were instrumental in creating a climate of respect for the learning and spirituality of the Muslim culture they encountered, especially in Spain. Here, at the furthest extremities of Christendom, it seems, they found common ground between the deepest layers of their own Angevin culture and the Arabic civilization to which they gave access.



The Islamic and Jewish Background of Grail Christianity
Paul Bembridge, M.Phil.
In Parzival, Wolfram von Eschenback redirected the gaze of his readers away from the Celtic Arthurian world of Chretien de Troy’s story of the Grail, Perceval. He pointed to what he called a truer lineage and transmission of the Grail material as it emerged from the ancient world and traveled via Jewish-Muslim adepts in early medieval Spain through the Aragonese-Catalan corridor to Provence and then to his native German lands. The new era of Grail Christianity to which European initiates now looked, he indicated, would be one of Muslim, Jewish and Christian reconciliation.
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Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
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Templar Secrets:

Jesus was a twin
the Magdalene had a daughter
They were working on forming a single religion between the Jews, Muslims, and Christians
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"Twin" of Jesus?

A long-suppressed, long-forgotten form of Christianity in which Thomas was the chief apostle has come to light in recent years. In western Christendom Thomas is known chiefly as the Doubter, the close follower of Jesus who had to touch his master's wounds in order to be convinced that he had really risen from the dead. Among some of the earliest followers of Jesus in the Fertile Crescent, from northern Syria to Egypt, Thomas emerged much more prominently. He was seen as the special confidant of Jesus, recorder of his master's sayings, and, in some sense, his twin. Churches across Asia came to regard him as their founding apostle And in the sayings purportedly recorded by Thomas, Jesus appears as an inspired sage imparting spiritual wisdom to his hearers, not as the Christ, part of the godhead, presented in Paul's writings and the canonical gospels.


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In the Syriac-speaking culture of upper Mesopotamia and Syria the apostle was called Judas Thomas. Thomas (Tau'ma) means twin in Syriac, a form of the Aramaic which was the language of Jesus and his followers. And Didymus, a name by which the apostle is also called in the gospel of John, means twin in Greek. Perhaps some regarded the two as blood brothers. Perhaps the twinship was regarded as spiritual or symbolic. Sometimes, as in the Christian Gnostic systems, Thomas seems to be the this-worldly reflection or image of a divine savior-figure, an earthly body inhabited by a spirit like the savior's. In any event Thomas became a focus of special reverence.


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Thomas is best looked at in the context of Gnosticism. In the first three centuries of the Christian era both Christianity and Gnosticism took a variety of forms. Sometimes they overlapped considerably (and we can then speak of Christian Gnosticism), sometimes they overlapped slightly, sometimes not at all. Although scholars have not been able to agree on a definition of Gnosticism, the various forms share some basic ideas: The indescribable, unimaginable supreme godhead, which is pure spirit, cannot have been the creator of a world full of evil and misery. Emanations from that Oneness (in a sort of spiritual Big Bang) resulted in a hierarchy of lesser powers, one of which (often identified with the biblical Creator) made the world of matter. Humankind -- part matter, part spirit -- must strive to cast off its gross material element and, as pure spirit, reunite with the One. Gnosis -- knowledge of an intuitive kind about one's true nature, an experience of reality, of the truly true -- leads to this reunion. A messenger or savior (identified by Christians as Jesus) sometimes descends from the godhead to help people achieve gnosis.


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The Thomas writings include early Syriac texts in which the apostle is either the chief protagonist or an interlocutor of Jesus and recorder of his secret sayings. Three are of most significance. The Gospel of Thomas is a collection of sayings, found near Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945 -- sayings that Jesus is supposed to have entrusted to his "twin," which are sometimes close to those familiar to readers of the canonical New Testament, but often strikingly unfamiliar.


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Another text is the Book of Thomas the Contender, also found at Nag Hammadi. Jesus again addresses the apostle as his twin and as "one who knows himself." He warns against transitory, this-worldly attachments that distract us from reunion with universal spirit. The third major book, the Acts of Judas Thomas, is an account of the apostle's supposed proselytizing travels and ascetic teaching in "India," a region ill-defined in the Roman world of the time.

[link to www.gnosis.org]

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