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The Earth is FLAT. Deal with it SHEEP!

 
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Try doing some research for once in your life.


If you would LOOK at the quote at the top of this page, I was quoting someone ELSE (dude in florida). And I explained to you in the second post I made, that I had a message for dude in florida, but godlikeproductions messed up, and only the quote showed up.

Then I posted the message I had for him, so you could read that I in fact, supported you.
And you replied with:
"Ok, what's your point?

You've just made our arguement."

See OP, my point was that eyes can deceive, and that's why I made that picture. And I told you, that the message (making your argument) was meant for dude in florida...

I agree with you, and you bash me -_-
 Quoting: Pleeb

Ok, I appologize, however, put yourself in my shoes, look at this thread -- it's a bashfest on us. Very easy to become jaded.
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Typical response from a shill!

Punisher and I agree on the basic concept, however appear to have slightly different theories on how a FE was created, maintained, the Ice Wall, etc..
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lmao now i'm a shill...yo punisher can you start a new thread, and hopefully this dumb ass op who has latched onto your sack won't follow. this guy is incorrigible.
 Quoting: dude in florida

This guy is smarter then you think, I'm impressed!!!
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Try doing some research for once in your life.
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If you would LOOK at the quote at the top of this page, I was quoting someone ELSE (dude in florida). And I explained to you in the second post I made, that I had a message for dude in florida, but godlikeproductions messed up, and only the quote showed up.

Then I posted the message I had for him, so you could read that I in fact, supported you.
And you replied with:
"Ok, what's your point?

You've just made our arguement."

See OP, my point was that eyes can deceive, and that's why I made that picture. And I told you, that the message (making your argument) was meant for dude in florida...

I agree with you, and you bash me -_-
 Quoting: Pleeb

Pleeb, your a smart guy too, open and honestly seeking truth, never change!!!!
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Try doing some research for once in your life.


If you would LOOK at the quote at the top of this page, I was quoting someone ELSE (dude in florida). And I explained to you in the second post I made, that I had a message for dude in florida, but godlikeproductions messed up, and only the quote showed up.

Then I posted the message I had for him, so you could read that I in fact, supported you.
And you replied with:
"Ok, what's your point?

You've just made our arguement."

See OP, my point was that eyes can deceive, and that's why I made that picture. And I told you, that the message (making your argument) was meant for dude in florida...

I agree with you, and you bash me -_-

Ok, I appologize, however, put yourself in my shoes, look at this thread -- it's a bashfest on us. Very easy to become jaded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536497

Apology accepted. I can understand where you're getting at, with being bashed and sort, and an apology is what I was hoping for.


Sorry, I Had a big message with that quote, but it got earsed.. I wanted to respond to what he said about the size with this message:

Actually, it's a matter of perspective.

I have a picture of an island:
[link to i37.tinypic.com]

Does it look like it's 18 feet?

Now, please re-look at that wall:
[link to i34.tinypic.com]

I have put two boats in it. The first at the top, looks like the wall isn't all that big, but look at the boat at the bottom.. The wall looks extremely massive.

Unless we have an object of known size to compare this wall to, who's to say how big the wall is?

Exactly.

I like the photo dude.


[link to i34.tinypic.com]

The small ship is the truth of the matter. If you've ever been over a beach resort in an airplane you can see some similarity in the picture link above. Like for instance the ocean (sea) changes color the closer you get to shore. And in that picture you can see as the water goes over the ice underneath more changes, and as you get closer to the Ice Wall even more changes.

I'll go against the O-P here, I say its in the 100 ft zone.

 Quoting: Punisher

It could very well be 100 ft tall. And I'm more keen to that smaller ship too... What I may do also, is try and create a scale model of the earth and sun (according to this), and show people how it will illuminate, etc (and that it will NOT cover the whole earth at the same time).

Going by this map:
[link to img.photobucket.com]
How many miles is the earth from one side to the other?
And what are the overall dimensions of this circle (not globe) in miles?

Just making sure I'm correct, the sun is 27 miles across, right? Is it a globe or also flat? And how high did you say the sun is?

The above questions are so I can create a model of this so people can see it's possible.
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the dumb ass op still hasn't given a real reason why this consipiracy is being perpetrated.

i give punisher props for presenting real evidence and not being condescending until he was attacked. the op can FOAD.

WRONG!

I DID give reasons for the hoax. It's all throughout this thread -- namely TPTB DO NOT want to embarrass themselves, so the lie continues!


bullshit. that is nowhere near a good enough reason! many scientists have admitted they were wrong throughout history. nobody even respects tptb, they hate them. you act like the tptb think people are gonna line the streets and make fun of them!
 Quoting: dude in florida

Look, under einstein/newton gravity is caused by mass. Mass distorts spacetime and spacetime tells mass how to move.

Under FE Theory the earth accelerates at 9.8m/s2. The mass of the earth is inconsequetial, it will always accelerate at 9.8m/s2. The genius cicular logic provided by E.Jack sums this stance up nicely.
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Try doing some research for once in your life.


If you would LOOK at the quote at the top of this page, I was quoting someone ELSE (dude in florida). And I explained to you in the second post I made, that I had a message for dude in florida, but godlikeproductions messed up, and only the quote showed up.

Then I posted the message I had for him, so you could read that I in fact, supported you.
And you replied with:
"Ok, what's your point?

You've just made our arguement."

See OP, my point was that eyes can deceive, and that's why I made that picture. And I told you, that the message (making your argument) was meant for dude in florida...

I agree with you, and you bash me -_-

Ok, I appologize, however, put yourself in my shoes, look at this thread -- it's a bashfest on us. Very easy to become jaded.

Apology accepted. I can understand where you're getting at, with being bashed and sort, and an apology is what I was hoping for.





Sorry, I Had a big message with that quote, but it got earsed.. I wanted to respond to what he said about the size with this message:

Actually, it's a matter of perspective.

I have a picture of an island:
[link to i37.tinypic.com]

Does it look like it's 18 feet?

Now, please re-look at that wall:
[link to i34.tinypic.com]

I have put two boats in it. The first at the top, looks like the wall isn't all that big, but look at the boat at the bottom.. The wall looks extremely massive.

Unless we have an object of known size to compare this wall to, who's to say how big the wall is?

Exactly.

I like the photo dude.


[link to i34.tinypic.com]

The small ship is the truth of the matter. If you've ever been over a beach resort in an airplane you can see some similarity in the picture link above. Like for instance the ocean (sea) changes color the closer you get to shore. And in that picture you can see as the water goes over the ice underneath more changes, and as you get closer to the Ice Wall even more changes.

I'll go against the O-P here, I say its in the 100 ft zone.


It could very well be 100 ft tall. And I'm more keen to that smaller ship too... What I may do also, is try and create a scale model of the earth and sun (according to this), and show people how it will illuminate, etc (and that it will NOT cover the whole earth at the same time).

Going by this map:
[link to img.photobucket.com]
How many miles is the earth from one side to the other?
And what are the overall dimensions of this circle (not globe) in miles?

Just making sure I'm correct, the sun is 27 miles across, right? Is it a globe or also flat? And how high did you say the sun is?

The above questions are so I can create a model of this so people can see it's possible.
 Quoting: Pleeb

The map you're looking at, isn't quite to scale.

FE theory contends that the sun and moon are 32 miles in diameter, with the Earth being: Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles.
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Message to dude in florida.

Dude, don't go NC-17 on the O-P, he's under alot of pressure and your too smart to feed him negative energy.
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Most likely space is beyond the wall. The Earth is held up underneath by rocks.
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held up by rocks? i can see how that would be internally, but what about in the atmospheric realm? if space is beyond the ice, then space has to be UNDER it too. is the earth not a floating celestial body?
 Quoting: dude in florida

Yes, the underneath of the flat earth is made up of rocks, but where the O-P is incredibly intelligent is that the Earth (rocks & all) hover over the Dark energy (bottomless) that creates the gravity we experience on Earth. I can dig up scriptures if this would help you.
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Most likely space is beyond the wall. The Earth is held up underneath by rocks.
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held up by rocks? i can see how that would be internally, but what about in the atmospheric realm? if space is beyond the ice, then space has to be UNDER it too. is the earth not a floating celestial body?

Yes, the underneath of the flat earth is made up of rocks, but where the O-P is incredibly intelligent is that the Earth (rocks & all) hover over the Dark energy (bottomless) that creates the gravity we experience on Earth. I can dig up scriptures if this would help you.
 Quoting: Punisher

CORRECT!

They have to understand the aspects of Dark Energy/Expanding Universe first and foremost.

They will then realize how a FE is the ONLY way our beautiful Earth can be possible.
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It could very well be 100 ft tall. And I'm more keen to that smaller ship too... What I may do also, is try and create a scale model of the earth and sun (according to this), and show people how it will illuminate, etc (and that it will NOT cover the whole earth at the same time).

Going by this map:
[link to img.photobucket.com]
How many miles is the earth from one side to the other?
And what are the overall dimensions of this circle (not globe) in miles?

Just making sure I'm correct, the sun is 27 miles across, right? Is it a globe or also flat? And how high did you say the sun is?

The above questions are so I can create a model of this so people can see it's possible.
 Quoting: Pleeb

The gentleman who made the map says its 24,000 miles, you can get more info from here.

[link to blog.modernmechanix.com]
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It could very well be 100 ft tall. And I'm more keen to that smaller ship too... What I may do also, is try and create a scale model of the earth and sun (according to this), and show people how it will illuminate, etc (and that it will NOT cover the whole earth at the same time).

Going by this map:
[link to img.photobucket.com]
How many miles is the earth from one side to the other?
And what are the overall dimensions of this circle (not globe) in miles?

Just making sure I'm correct, the sun is 27 miles across, right? Is it a globe or also flat? And how high did you say the sun is?

The above questions are so I can create a model of this so people can see it's possible.

The gentleman who made the map says its 24,000 miles, you can get more info from here.

[link to blog.modernmechanix.com]
 Quoting: Punisher

Right and he states, I believe, that the Sun and moon are 3,000 miles from Earth -- not 90+ million, which would make absolutely zero sense when studying trajectory.
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I made a model out my rug (long story), where one inch was 1,000 miles. The sun, of course, was about 4 inches away, and the sun was an LED. In complete darkness, it illuminates a small area of the earth, about the same as it does for real.

I'm making another out of paper, and I'll record it and upload it to the internet when I test it again
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Most likely space is beyond the wall. The Earth is held up underneath by rocks.
===========================

held up by rocks? i can see how that would be internally, but what about in the atmospheric realm? if space is beyond the ice, then space has to be UNDER it too. is the earth not a floating celestial body?
===========================

Yes, the underneath of the flat earth is made up of rocks, but where the O-P is incredibly intelligent is that the Earth (rocks & all) hover over the Dark energy (bottomless) that creates the gravity we experience on Earth. I can dig up scriptures if this would help you.
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CORRECT!

They have to understand the aspects of Dark Energy/Expanding Universe first and foremost.

They will then realize how a FE is the ONLY way our beautiful Earth can be possible.
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2Enoch.27:[1]I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass, and the circumcession of the waters.

[link to img398.imageshack.us]
[link to img.photobucket.com]


2ENOCH Chapter 25, 26, 27, 28

GOD:And I placed for myself a Throne, and took my seat on it, and said to the light: Go thence up higher and fix yourself high above the Throne, and be a foundation to the highest things. And above the light there is nothing else, and then I bent up and looked up from My Throne. And I summoned the very lowest a second time, come forth hard from the invisible. Be opened, let there be born from you, and an age came forth, very great and very dark. Go thence down below, and make yourself firm, and be a foundation for the lower things, and below the darkness there is nothing else.

GOD:And I commanded that there should be taken from light and darkness, and I said: Be thick, and it became thus, and I spread it out with the light, and it became water, and I spread it out over the darkness, below the light, and then I made firm the waters, that is to say the bottomless.

GOD:Out of the waves I created rock and from the rock I piled up the dry, and I called Earth, and the midst of the Earth I called Abyss, that is to say the bottomless. And I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass. (Ice Wall)

And I made foundation of light around the water and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass.
And I made foundation of light around the water and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass.

The LORD creates the firmament holding the waters from falling to the bottomless. The LORD places the Abyss in the center of the Earth, an opening to the bottomless (darkness) and a foundation of (light) around the waters, around the Earth (Ice Wall). GOD commands the light to go above and the darkness to go below. So the light around the Ice Wall (Earth) holds the Earth from falling into the bottomless.

[link to img398.imageshack.us]


The Abyss is heavily magnetizes to generate intense fire like a nuke reactor, only the fire of the Abyss can atomize the Fallen Angels. The needle of a compass when pointing North is pointing to the Abyss.

[link to science.howstuffworks.com]
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I made a model out my rug (long story), where one inch was 1,000 miles. The sun, of course, was about 4 inches away, and the sun was an LED. In complete darkness, it illuminates a small area of the earth, about the same as it does for real.

I'm making another out of paper, and I'll record it and upload it to the internet when I test it again
 Quoting: Pleeb

Good job Pleeb, Godspeed!!!
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I made a model out my rug (long story), where one inch was 1,000 miles. The sun, of course, was about 4 inches away, and the sun was an LED. In complete darkness, it illuminates a small area of the earth, about the same as it does for real.

I'm making another out of paper, and I'll record it and upload it to the internet when I test it again
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EXCELLENT! Your ratio is a little off, but nontheless, proves the FE quite well!
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btw, here's a good perspective shot of the wall, similar the the pic you made pleeb.

[link to www.exmaroffshore.com]
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so what is the purpose of the deception? any theories?


And, if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

They don't want to embarrass themselves, and get caught perpetuating the lie.
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What about new governments that come into existence? They would have no past lies to worry about? Why not say something?
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Here shut your pie/hole.

[link to i23.tinypic.com]
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well if thats 40,000 feet high what height was it taken from 90,000?
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What the fawk do you care at what height it was taken, its there for you to see with your own eyes, now shut the fawk up and confess that science lies!!!!
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seriously, that wall doesn't look that high.

Its not an affirmation that the Ice Wall is 40,000 ft, but 40k or 40ft the Wall exists. And you know it exists because the gentleman who made the map depict the Ice Wall's jagged points and curves on his map just like in real life. Click on both links and see the "rim" for yourself.

[link to img.photobucket.com]
[link to i23.tinypic.com]


why would you say it was 40000 ft as a specific fact though? what is beyond it? space?

I labelled the 40K - 50K as a specific fact, however, there are other theories, one has it being only 150 ft. (similar to the Ross Ice Shelf).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536497

That's funny that you mention the Ross Ice Shelf because that is exactly what your picture is of. It is NOT your mythical ice wall. Proof that Punisher lied again.
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On an airplane. How does the airplane never fly above its cruising altitude as the curvature of the Earth's surface quickly declines beneath the airplane? This should increase the altitude of the level the airplane is flying having the pilots intervene periodically to descend the nose of the aircraft back to cruising altitude.

But pilots never adjust the elevators, and you know they don't because those elevators have hydraulic motors that you can hear them, like when the pilots descends for landing. Never are they heard at cruising altitude for the duration of the trip. Case closed, the Earth is flat.
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Wrong. Elevators make very little noise. None that is heard in the cabin. What you hear when descending are the flaps and landing gear. Punisher wrong again.
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FUCK OFF PUNISHER WE WERE GOOD WITHOUT YOU SHOWING HOW DUMB THE MANKIND CAN BE.
The world woud be a thousand times better place if more cults existed.
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i]You know what feeble minds can't grasp? The fact that if they dunked a ball in their kitchen sink this afternoon and placed it immediately on the counter spinning it with the wetness still on the ball that water would fly off in all direction, but here, no such laws exist for this sphere (ball), the opposite seems to be accepted. The Earth spinning creates the gravity. FAWK-OFF LOSER & DON"T VOTE, YOUR TOO STUPID TO VOTE!!!!!!
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The spinning of the Earth does not create gravity. Thank you for proving you know absolutely nothing about physics. The centripetal force from the spinning does counteract gravity some but it is not spinning nearly fast enough to cause anything to fly off of it. It is however responsible for the equatorial bulge of this and other planets.
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btw, here's a good perspective shot of the wall, similar the the pic you made pleeb.

[link to www.exmaroffshore.com]
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Seems I was close lol

Anyway, I made it out of paper, it's not really that good, I didn't have the best measuring tools, but you can get the general idea. The sun (LED) is a flashing one, making it easier to see, and at 4 in, it clearly lights up what it would in the real world (mainly on the equator, but it does hit the other parts of the world)

The video is uploading and processing to youtube; in the meantime, enjoy this video:
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i]You know what feeble minds can't grasp? The fact that if they dunked a ball in their kitchen sink this afternoon and placed it immediately on the counter spinning it with the wetness still on the ball that water would fly off in all direction, but here, no such laws exist for this sphere (ball), the opposite seems to be accepted. The Earth spinning creates the gravity. FAWK-OFF LOSER & DON"T VOTE, YOUR TOO STUPID TO VOTE!!!!!!

The spinning of the Earth does not create gravity. Thank you for proving you know absolutely nothing about physics. The centripetal force from the spinning does counteract gravity some but it is not spinning nearly fast enough to cause anything to fly off of it. It is however responsible for the equatorial bulge of this and other planets.
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Don't expect him to know anything about physics. We're going to go in a long debate because every time you try to explain something he goes "NO IT AIN'T SO" because he doesn't know anything about how physics work.
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i]You know what feeble minds can't grasp? The fact that if they dunked a ball in their kitchen sink this afternoon and placed it immediately on the counter spinning it with the wetness still on the ball that water would fly off in all direction, but here, no such laws exist for this sphere (ball), the opposite seems to be accepted. The Earth spinning creates the gravity. FAWK-OFF LOSER & DON"T VOTE, YOUR TOO STUPID TO VOTE!!!!!!

The spinning of the Earth does not create gravity. Thank you for proving you know absolutely nothing about physics. The centripetal force from the spinning does counteract gravity some but it is not spinning nearly fast enough to cause anything to fly off of it. It is however responsible for the equatorial bulge of this and other planets.
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By the same argument, we could ask why planes/helicopters/paragliders don't crash into the Earth as they accelerate down towards them. The reason that planes do not crash is that their wings produce lift, which, when the rate of acceleration upwards equals that of gravity's pull downwards, causes them to remain at a constant altitude.

The same thing happens as the Earth moves up. The plane is accelerating upwards at the same rate as the Earth, which means the distance between them does not change. Therefore, the plane stays at the same height and does not crash.
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OP & Punisher sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g...
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OP & Punisher sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g...
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fuck off, jack off

leave your homoerotic thoughts out of this.
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Well, there it is.
Yes, I know it's not to scale, and the equator is off, but anyone with a pound of logic can see that this almost-scale-model works out pretty nicely to show that the sun will not illuminate the whole earth, but parts and different times, like shown.
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You are an idiot.
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Further proof, could possibly be the fact, that at the center of the north pole, you would see every star in the sky, with the north at the center, all above and around you. This is because you truly are in the center?
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Well, there it is.
Yes, I know it's not to scale, and the equator is off, but anyone with a pound of logic can see that this almost-scale-model works out pretty nicely to show that the sun will not illuminate the whole earth, but parts and different times, like shown.
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KICK ASS!

Great job Pleeb!
It also demonstrates how when the sun "sets" or "rises" it is really the sun just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

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