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The Earth is FLAT. Deal with it SHEEP!

 
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Further proof, could possibly be the fact, that at the center of the north pole, you would see every star in the sky, with the north at the center, all above and around you. This is because you truly are in the center?
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That's not a fact. From the north pole there are several southern constellations that are not visible.
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[link to www.geocities.com]

A hundred proofs the Earth is not a Globe

1. The aeronaut can see for himself that Earth is a Plane. The appearance presented to him, even at the highest elevation he has ever attained, is that of a concave surface - this being exactly what is to be expected of a surface that is truly level, since it is the nature of level surfaces to appear to rise to a level with the eye of the observer. This is ocular demonstration and proof that Earth is not a globe.
False. I've flew many times with my dad on a jet plane and we went very very very high, enough to see that the earth was CONVEX.

2. Whenever experiments have been tried on the surface of standing water, this surface has always been found to be level. If the Earth were a globe, the surface of all standing water would be convex. This is an experimental proof that Earth is not a globe.
Level? How to they measure that? With a little tube filled with liquid with a bubble in it? And yeah, water is convex. And as it is the same convex everywhere.

3. Surveyors' operations in the construction of railroads, tunnels, or canals are conducted without the slightest "allowance" being made for "curvature," although it is taught that this so-called allowance is absolutely necessary! This is a cutting proof that Earth is not a globe. 10 meters underground is 10 meters underground, be it on a flat, round, triangular, dodecahedral earth

4. There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity." It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe.
1 feet over the sea level is 1 feet over the sea level, be it on a flat, round, triangular, dodecahedral earth.
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Stop being stupid, use your non-stupid to see if your proofs really prove anything, and you'll understand that nothing in the FE theory proves anything.
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A hundred proofs the Earth is not a Globe

1. The aeronaut can see for himself that Earth is a Plane. The appearance presented to him, even at the highest elevation he has ever attained, is that of a concave surface - this being exactly what is to be expected of a surface that is truly level, since it is the nature of level surfaces to appear to rise to a level with the eye of the observer. This is ocular demonstration and proof that Earth is not a globe.
False. I've flew many times with my dad on a jet plane and we went very very very high, enough to see that the earth was CONVEX.

2. Whenever experiments have been tried on the surface of standing water, this surface has always been found to be level. If the Earth were a globe, the surface of all standing water would be convex. This is an experimental proof that Earth is not a globe.
Level? How to they measure that? With a little tube filled with liquid with a bubble in it? And yeah, water is convex. And as it is the same convex everywhere.

3. Surveyors' operations in the construction of railroads, tunnels, or canals are conducted without the slightest "allowance" being made for "curvature," although it is taught that this so-called allowance is absolutely necessary! This is a cutting proof that Earth is not a globe. 10 meters underground is 10 meters underground, be it on a flat, round, triangular, dodecahedral earth

4. There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity." It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe.
1 feet over the sea level is 1 feet over the sea level, be it on a flat, round, triangular, dodecahedral earth.


Stop being stupid, use your non-stupid to see if your proofs really prove anything, and you'll understand that nothing in the FE theory proves anything.
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The illusions created have been discussed in great detail in this thread.
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C'mon...
If the earth is flat, then it's one of the easyest things to prove ever!

Just sail or fly in just one direction, with 0 curvature... Strait line!
When you reach the border take a photo
Result: win a nobel prize!
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Well, there it is.
Yes, I know it's not to scale, and the equator is off, but anyone with a pound of logic can see that this almost-scale-model works out pretty nicely to show that the sun will not illuminate the whole earth, but parts and different times, like shown.

KICK ASS!

Great job Pleeb!
It also demonstrates how when the sun "sets" or "rises" it is really the sun just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.
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Okay, so Antarctica, Arctic, North hemisphere over the.. let's say... 50th parallel (North) and under the 50th parallel (south) never receive sun?
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Oh... no money for such an exploration? no problem. Since there are so many flat earthers around the world (ooops, around sounds wrong in this situation) just get $100 from each one, rent a plane, and there you go!
Remember to take your camera aye?
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C'mon...
If the earth is flat, then it's one of the easyest things to prove ever!

Just sail or fly in just one direction, with 0 curvature... Strait line!
When you reach the border take a photo
Result: win a nobel prize!
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You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight."

Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth.

Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.
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[link to www.geocities.com]

A hundred proofs the Earth is not a Globe

1. The aeronaut can see for himself that Earth is a Plane. The appearance presented to him, even at the highest elevation he has ever attained, is that of a concave surface - this being exactly what is to be expected of a surface that is truly level, since it is the nature of level surfaces to appear to rise to a level with the eye of the observer. This is ocular demonstration and proof that Earth is not a globe.
False. I've flew many times with my dad on a jet plane and we went very very very high, enough to see that the earth was CONVEX.

2. Whenever experiments have been tried on the surface of standing water, this surface has always been found to be level. If the Earth were a globe, the surface of all standing water would be convex. This is an experimental proof that Earth is not a globe.
Level? How to they measure that? With a little tube filled with liquid with a bubble in it? And yeah, water is convex. And as it is the same convex everywhere.

3. Surveyors' operations in the construction of railroads, tunnels, or canals are conducted without the slightest "allowance" being made for "curvature," although it is taught that this so-called allowance is absolutely necessary! This is a cutting proof that Earth is not a globe. 10 meters underground is 10 meters underground, be it on a flat, round, triangular, dodecahedral earth

4. There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity." It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe.
1 feet over the sea level is 1 feet over the sea level, be it on a flat, round, triangular, dodecahedral earth.


Stop being stupid, use your non-stupid to see if your proofs really prove anything, and you'll understand that nothing in the FE theory proves anything.


The illusions created have been discussed in great detail in this thread.
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So measurements are an illusion?
This means that all your proofs based on measurements are bullshit too?
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You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight."

Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth.

Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.
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It's pointing toward north Canada. Magnetic pole is drifting toward the equator slowly.


And no, it does not point toward the center of the earth. I think you need a sheet, a magnet and iron dust to see where compasses point toward.

Compasses point parallel to the magnetic field.
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Further proof, could possibly be the fact, that at the center of the north pole, you would see every star in the sky, with the north at the center, all above and around you. This is because you truly are in the center?

That's not a fact. From the north pole there are several southern constellations that are not visible.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean "every star in every part of the world", I meant you would see every star in the sky, with the North Star directly above you...

If you go to "Antarctica", will you see the same as the north, but with southern consolations?

Also, here an an "all-sky view" from the north pole:
[link to media.skyandtelescope.com]

What about the "south pole"?
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Well, there it is.
Yes, I know it's not to scale, and the equator is off, but anyone with a pound of logic can see that this almost-scale-model works out pretty nicely to show that the sun will not illuminate the whole earth, but parts and different times, like shown.

KICK ASS!

Great job Pleeb!
It also demonstrates how when the sun "sets" or "rises" it is really the sun just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.




Okay, so Antarctica, Arctic, North hemisphere over the.. let's say... 50th parallel (North) and under the 50th parallel (south) never receive sun?
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The equator I drew is off abit, unfortunately... Though if you read through this topic, it's explained how the sun rotates in "circles" to cause seasons, which is why the northern hemisphere, it's usually either in perpetual darkness, or perpetual twilight.
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The equator I drew is off abit, unfortunately... Though if you read through this topic, it's explained how the sun rotates in "circles" to cause seasons, which is why the northern hemisphere, it's usually either in perpetual darkness, or perpetual twilight.
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I live in the northern hemisphere, and this summer, we had plenty of light!

and that's just me being lazy to type more, because that claim is one of the most wrong ones put in here (and wow... there are plenty of those here from you flat earthers)
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You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight."

Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth.

Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.




It's pointing toward north Canada. Magnetic pole is drifting toward the equator slowly.


And no, it does not point toward the center of the earth. I think you need a sheet, a magnet and iron dust to see where compasses point toward.

Compasses point parallel to the magnetic field.
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On a FE, the magnetic field is generated in the same fashion as with the RE. Thus, the magnetic south pole is near the geographic north pole, just like on the RE. The magnetic north pole is on the underside of the Earth.

The Ice Wall is not the south pole, but acts as it, as it is the furthest from the center of the earth that you can follow the magnetic field.

The field is vertical in this area, accounting for the aurora australis.
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You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight."

Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth.

Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.




It's pointing toward north Canada. Magnetic pole is drifting toward the equator slowly.


And no, it does not point toward the center of the earth. I think you need a sheet, a magnet and iron dust to see where compasses point toward.

Compasses point parallel to the magnetic field.
 Quoting: Whee! 8D.qc.ca



[link to www.first4magnets.com]


Place a bar magnet under a white sheet of paper and pour some of iron power over it. Shake the sheet a little bit to allow the iron powder to place itself along the magnetic field. This way, you will SEE the magnetic field caused by the magnet. Now, take your compass and place it a different location along the magnetic field drawn by the iron powder. You'll see how compasses work on earth.

They are parallel to the ROUND magnetic field.

And please, don't tell me tat it's impossible for something to be parallel to something round, it will be a stupidity disaster.
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just an add.: have you ever heard about "midnight sun"?
yeap, that happens!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

also, in the south pole summer, you'll have the sun always above the horizon.
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The equator I drew is off abit, unfortunately... Though if you read through this topic, it's explained how the sun rotates in "circles" to cause seasons, which is why the northern hemisphere, it's usually either in perpetual darkness, or perpetual twilight.


I live in the northern hemisphere, and this summer, we had plenty of light!

and that's just me being lazy to type more, because that claim is one of the most wrong ones put in here (and wow... there are plenty of those here from you flat earthers)
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How far north?

I meant arctic-circle north.
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the dumb ass op still hasn't given a real reason why this consipiracy is being perpetrated.

i give punisher props for presenting real evidence and not being condescending until he was attacked. the op can FOAD.

WRONG!

I DID give reasons for the hoax. It's all throughout this thread -- namely TPTB DO NOT want to embarrass themselves, so the lie continues!


bullshit. that is nowhere near a good enough reason! many scientists have admitted they were wrong throughout history. nobody even respects tptb, they hate them. you act like the tptb think people are gonna line the streets and make fun of them!

The hoax is a control, power, and money maker.

NASA, MSM, YOUR RULERS are using it to control you.

STOP FALLING FOR IT!!
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What he said.
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The equator I drew is off abit, unfortunately... Though if you read through this topic, it's explained how the sun rotates in "circles" to cause seasons, which is why the northern hemisphere, it's usually either in perpetual darkness, or perpetual twilight.
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And of course, the south pole is like... "fuck it anyway nobody lives there".


There are also nights and days, and complete darkness days and complete light days at the south pole.
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the dumb ass op still hasn't given a real reason why this consipiracy is being perpetrated.

i give punisher props for presenting real evidence and not being condescending until he was attacked. the op can FOAD.

WRONG!

I DID give reasons for the hoax. It's all throughout this thread -- namely TPTB DO NOT want to embarrass themselves, so the lie continues!


bullshit. that is nowhere near a good enough reason! many scientists have admitted they were wrong throughout history. nobody even respects tptb, they hate them. you act like the tptb think people are gonna line the streets and make fun of them!

The hoax is a control, power, and money maker.

NASA, MSM, YOUR RULERS are using it to control you.

STOP FALLING FOR IT!!


What he said.
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Not to say that they had to embarrass themselves when they switched from FE to RE.

It think they would not have felt for RE in the first place if they knew it was not true and that they would have to hide the FE theory.
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The equator I drew is off abit, unfortunately... Though if you read through this topic, it's explained how the sun rotates in "circles" to cause seasons, which is why the northern hemisphere, it's usually either in perpetual darkness, or perpetual twilight.




And of course, the south pole is like... "fuck it anyway nobody lives there".


There are also nights and days, and complete darkness days and complete light days at the south pole.
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I know, I was also going to point out the south pole, but I didn't think I needed to, since the same effects in the arctic circle, are the same in the "antarctic circle"
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So you seem to think gravity is exerted in one direction across the entire planet...

This is where your logic fails.

There is NO gravity!

The Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity.
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Why is it accelerating upward? Why not downward? Or sidewards?

What makes something go upward?

If I turn myself upside down and that I watch you jumping, I will see you jumping "downward" and falling "upward"
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The equator I drew is off abit, unfortunately... Though if you read through this topic, it's explained how the sun rotates in "circles" to cause seasons, which is why the northern hemisphere, it's usually either in perpetual darkness, or perpetual twilight.




And of course, the south pole is like... "fuck it anyway nobody lives there".


There are also nights and days, and complete darkness days and complete light days at the south pole.
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As light travels through the Atmosphere it gets scattered by the particles in the atmosphere, in effect weakening it. At the equator, the sunlight has the least distance to go to the earth through the atmosphere, making it hotter at the equator. At the poles, the light has to travel through more of the atmosphere, which weakens it, making the suns light colder.
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So you seem to think gravity is exerted in one direction across the entire planet...

This is where your logic fails.

There is NO gravity!

The Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity.



Why is it accelerating upward? Why not downward? Or sidewards?
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That's what gives the FE the affect of having gravity when, indeed, there is no gravity.
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As light travels through the Atmosphere it gets scattered by the particles in the atmosphere, in effect weakening it. At the equator, the sunlight has the least distance to go to the earth through the atmosphere, making it hotter at the equator. At the poles, the light has to travel through more of the atmosphere, which weakens it, making the suns light colder.
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but... but..

but if the earth is flat, how can an athmosphere be sustained?
Wouldn't it be lost through the sides, since there is no gravity to hold it?
Or do we also have a magic atmospheric barrier holding that?
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As light travels through the Atmosphere it gets scattered by the particles in the atmosphere, in effect weakening it. At the equator, the sunlight has the least distance to go to the earth through the atmosphere, making it hotter at the equator. At the poles, the light has to travel through more of the atmosphere, which weakens it, making the suns light colder.


but... but..

but if the earth is flat, how can an athmosphere be sustained?
Wouldn't it be lost through the sides, since there is no gravity to hold it?
Or do we also have a magic atmospheric barrier holding that?
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Yes yes, the atmosphere attenuates sunlight. However, even if there were no atmosphere, the area where the sun is highest in the sky would still be warmer than areas where the sun is lower in the sky. This is because the dominating control factor in surface heating is not atmospheric absorption of light, but foreshortening of the sun's rays, which explains why noon is hotter than dawn or dusk and why the summer is warmer than the winter.

So if you take the tallest mountain on the Earth, when the sun is almost directly overhead (note that Mt. Everest, at 27 degrees N, is not quite tropical), why isn't it hotter than any other place on Earth? It's both closer to the sun, and closer to the edge of the atmosphere, than any point near its base, right?
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So you seem to think gravity is exerted in one direction across the entire planet...

This is where your logic fails.

There is NO gravity!

The Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity.



Why is it accelerating upward? Why not downward? Or sidewards?

What makes something go upward?

If I turn myself upside down and that I watch you jumping, I will see you jumping "downward" and falling "upward"
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I believe it was explained awhile back in the thread, it is accelerating upward because of dark energy (or dark matter?) pushing it up
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So you seem to think gravity is exerted in one direction across the entire planet...

This is where your logic fails.

There is NO gravity!

The Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity.



Why is it accelerating upward? Why not downward? Or sidewards?

That's what gives the FE the affect of having gravity when, indeed, there is no gravity.
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What makes something go upward?

If I turn myself upside down and watch you jumping, I will see you jumping "downward" and falling "upward"



Define the CONCEPT, not the WORD
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Upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy.

What is dark energy. Please define it for us.

It's simply the energy that causes the universe to expand.

Of course it gets MUCH MORE complicated than that, but your head would probably explode if I went into too much detail.
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We still manage to use more advanced mathematics than any FE seems to be able to.

Don't worry, we can take it.




If you think we can't understand, why don't you keep your shit for yourself then and stop annoying us with that.
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I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.

What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?



Uhhh, the moon, mars, jupiter all are round as seen through my telescope, why should the Earth be different!!

Dude, it is you who need to deal with being wrong!!
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bump

I'd like an answer to this
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Expanding Earth Theory is impossible in Round Earth Theory, but easily explainable in Flat Earth Theory.
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It is. See :
Extreme heat = Extreme pressure

Pressure = wants to increase
Wants to increase to release the pressure = Earth grows in the RE theory.
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