need facts claiming that jesus is GOD in the flesh and that GODs name is JESUS...

and no one can prove he didn't

Congratulations!

You are the 1,000,000th poster to post this same old argument.

Anything new to offer?

well then why do people believe in that stuff? if you cant prove it why even touch it and that goes for the whole bible...

well that was them this is ME..:)

haha!

if you're truly curious and not lazy, read this Testimony of the Evangelists by Simon Greensleaf. One of the founders of Harvard Law applied the methods of legal thinking in an effort to disprove the gospels; he ended up affirming them.

[link to www.law.umkc.edu]

Heck ... we can't even get Obama to prove that he was born in Hawaii.... let alone figure Jesus' story out.

proof requires that the human mind is infallible
and knows all things
do you claim to know all things?

I use it sometimes in order to witness Christ to people.

Especially those who think in logical terms.

It is an effective testimony.

Science and history supports the credibility of the Bible, thus the writers as multiple witnesses to the miraculous events.

There is no evidence for caveman, why does anyone believe these ignorant textbooks?

people usually believe what they want to believe

faith is faith

proof is proof

He may very well be the 1,000,000th poster to post this same old argument, fortunately for him he is correct!!

There is no proof!!

Unfortunately for you however, no written text by men hundreds or thousands of years later of the he said she said conversations, qualify as proof!!

Nor does any claims of prophecies fulfilled qualify as substantial proof either!!

It's not of any difficulty to mold events to a prescribed outcome by TPTB in order to protect their religions formed around written scripts!!

As I said to another poster not long ago, the burden of proof resides in the demented playground of christianity, and to date their has been none, zilch, nada!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

I have a video tape of all Jesus's miracles documented. It is amazing but the problem is there on. Caesarmax a precursor to betamax.

well i dont claim to know all things nor do i know all things i can only speculate just like everybody else, i dont believe the biblical jesus was GOD in the flesh and i DO believe in GOD, but i dont believe that GOD had to intervene with our affairs, he left it up to us, he knows how intellegnt we are thats why we advanced the way we did it was all MAN, GOD and the DEVIL are just keeping the balance between GOOD and EVIL...well something like that anyway...but hey i dont have anything against them people that believe in jesus the way they do i just want to hear what people have to say...PEACE

According to eyewitness testimony law, it is not the burden of the believer to prove anything: the believer merely holds forth that which is already believed by him/her to be true. The burden of proof lays squarely on the shoulders of the naysayer. That would be the OP in this case.

hey i have my beliefs i believe that jesus was divine, i think i should reconsider my post and instead of asking for proof i should ask for facts claiming that jesus was GOD in the flesh and that GODs name is JESUS..

Then bring forth the eyewitnesses of the christ or to any of his miracles of the past and we can have a different debate!!

___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

You can't PROVE any religion and a lot of "science".

That's why it's called "faith"

the name of Jesus/Yahshua means God is salvation
you can believe it
or refuse to believe it
it's your choice

Exactly, they are looking for support in their denial of what the bible says. They don't trust themselves or their beliefs. "What if I'm wrong???" is what they truly believe!

So let's take that a step further... If the OP is wrong in his beliefs and the bible is true then they will go to hell if they do not repent and trust in the finished work of Jesus before they die.

If we are wrong and the bible is wrong then we have tried to live a life being obedient to a God showing love and caring for others. We die and nothing happens.

I think the believer is the safer of the two options if you were going to look at it this way.

Now granted, there are people that say they are believers but do not love others, or help them, or even obey what Jesus teaches in the new testament. Those people are not what Jesus calls "his brothers and sisters". They are wolf in sheep's clothing. Don't look at churches or individuals or denominations. Look at what the new testament says about what Jesus did and preached and do that. They you are given the power to be a child of God.

those who believe in Christ
have been helped to believe by the Holy Spirit
but, this help is uncomfortable
because, the first help we receive
is to see our own faults
and not the fault of others

Can anyone here offer solid proof that Jesus is not GOD in the flesh and that GODs name is not JESUS...?


And, I mean unquestionable solid proof straight from above?

Can you hold yourselves to the same standard of proof that you question?

And, don't say it is on Christians to prove.

That is just deflecting.


Isn't all this simply a matter of your opinion vs. Christians?

Yep.

Yes, we can chose to believe or disbelieve!!

No different than when children choose to believe in Pinocchio or not!!

The fact that someone my choose to believe in this fairy tale of a nose that grows when one lies is not proof that it is real!!

I can see it now, the child who bullies others on the playground for not wanting to believe in this wooden boy!!

He tells them they have to have faith, still doesn't make him any more real does it!!

You do see the reality of this, do you not?

___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

They already have! About 500 people were said to seen Jesus after his bodily resurrection. Including all of his Apostles, except Judas (the traitor) and John (exiled on Patmos). All of the other Apostles were martyred and none of them recanted their story that Jesus was raised from the dead. Not one Roman or Jewish testimony of a recant. And that is a fact. If there were even one of them recanting then it would have brought down Christianity overnight. But they all were tortured and did not change their story. That is the testimony of the eyewitnesses.

Deflecting?

Not hardly, lol...

The burden of proof still resides with those who make the claims!!

___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

It's still a he said, she said testimonies hundreds or thousands of years after the so called events, washed and rewashed by hundreds of scribes with agendas for TPTB!!

The finished texts approved and pushed on the masses by the Vatican controlled British Empire, who claim a divine right to rule from a bloodline established by the rape of a woman by Neptune/Poseidon, aka the christians Satan!!

Now, what's wrong with that picture???

___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]

Hmmmm...

You have made claims right?

Ok. Let's see your proof.

Then I will admit I have been mistaken all these years.



I do not want your personal links, reading materials, etc.

Again, I mean unquestionable solid proof straight from above.

Call down your god to enlighten me personally.

Give me solid proof of the supernatural kind.


See what I mean?

It's your OPINION as to what truth is.

And, you are entitled to it, no matter how silly I believe it to be.

LOL!!!!!

Audio: THE GREATEST LOVE STORY NEVER TOLD Part 2 of 4 by Pastor Peter Peters

(( I found this free listen link, and if you want you can find Part one, It is this site, but I found no easy links. [link to www.scripturesforamerica.org]

This is for free, and will explain why GOD is Jesus, it will blow your mind ! It will open up, the whole Bible understanding for you..

Part 2
[link to trueisrael.podbean.com]


Part 3
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Part 4

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There are plenty of scriptures as well, but this is key to understanding..

A lot of people intending to commit themselves to an intelligent form of inquiry, instead often end up abusing such terms as 'facts', 'proof', 'evidence', etc. as if they were originally intended to snare an argument in a steel cage like some loose, wild and mad animal that requires domestication for our benefit.

Those type of people neither understand nor correctly apply the definitions which each term summons in thinking about them.

The Gospels purport to be writings of eyewitness testimony to events. They pass the rules for documentary evidence that are faithfully regarded by all serious critical thinkers as well as the rules for evidence required by law.

There are far too many reasons to list here why that is the case.

Any debate begins and ends with a mismatch of knowledge, understanding, and brainpower. It is hoped that the opponent will succumb to an overwhelming advantage in those areas, which in the end has more to do with a bully complex than any real search for truth.