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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 498798
11/3/2008 1:57 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
No, that has to be brought up to date. Grizzly, Grizzly Adams! King of the Wild Frontier! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 538367
11/3/2008 2:12 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
What planet are you people living on ? If things get so bad, that people will need these things to survive, its all over. Your parachute cord and AR15s are not gonna be any match for the governemnts tanks, humvees and agents with body armor. Stop watching stupid hollywood movies. Rambo isnt real and is totally inapplicable to 99.999% of our society.
The majortiy of society cant even manage their checkbooks/ finances , so they sure as hell arent gonna be prepared to utuilize this crap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541002
Lil sister its idiotic mentalities such as yours that make all the more reason for folks to utilize such as this.
Im sorry but ask the us military how easy it is with their HEAVY equipments and such in afganistan and Iraq atm.
Im sorry but a gorilla war isnt something ANY military takes lightly.
but you go ahead and ostrich your head up your ass and pack your bags for haliburtons Church camps they have set up for you ;) |
| Lester
User ID: 541691
11/3/2008 2:14 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
lester if you would have really read the threads instead of concentrating on your fucking critiquing them , you would realize im not the author ,a former marine who goes by the name tire iron is , and the threads provide a pretty comprehensive list on how and what and why to loadout if you got to bailout..Used to think you were pretty cool now i know you are just another arrogant know it all dickhead..Later..
I thought that opinion about Lester was just mine!
Everyone one of his replies seems to be "you don't know shit and I know everything"
While I agree to a point with what he's saying the way he states it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
To prevent this if I see his name on a thread or a post I just skip it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541671
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Rather amazing to see the egos so dependent upon acceptance of what they post by strangers. Not gonns make it very far in the wilderness with that attitude, sonny!
I guess the taste in your mouth is fear, or the realization that you have been bullshitting yourself about your "readiness".
If you plan to have any opportunity for success at all, you had better be out of the city and pre-deployed. All too many people think they will didibop out from their comfortable suburban digs once the baloon goes up. They have read to many tips from old vets who think the USA is The Arizona VN badlands.
Fact is, if your city has a highway loop surrounding it, within an hour of Martial Law, that highway and all others will be No Man's Land. Locked down and a killing zone. You think the freeways and Interstate highways aren't just that? Controlled access, long open expanses. Interstate Loops are population controlling nooses.
If you are going to live in the woods, you should be there already IF you think the shit is going down.
If you reside in a remote rural town or at the end of some country road, you probably need to be more worried about keeping strangers who have no business coming in, out. Having a communications network with your neighbors and arranging to block roads in strategic places.
Above all, you'd better have thought out what you need to do and made a plan. Then, after you've planned your actions, encountering the writings of someone who seems to know what he is talking about won't bother you so much.
Make your plan, work your plan; Respond with moves considered in advance, don't react. Chances are your reaction will have been anticipated by your enemy. If your response is your best considered option to counter their threat, you may prevail. After all, you know the home ground, and you know where they will be. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380667
11/3/2008 2:20 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
For those of you who plan on living this type of lifestyle
when bad things start to happen:
You have to realize that the military has technology
we don't even know about. They have to be ten years plus
ahead of what we are seeing now...perhaps more.
The laundry list of what the OP posted...hmmmmmmm
I just don't see how being out in the open or the wild
is going to help you. You are just no match...you are
vulnerable.
We live in a world now where we are easily tracked.
That's the reality. This is why the Bible warns about
this time....there really is no permanent place to hide.
The only thing you could have on your side is God...if
you believe in him.
This just isn't going to be like the patriots of old..
the best survivalism is to get right with God.
The governments of the world know where all the hiding
spots are....geez. The Beast system will soon be upon you.
seriously now, i hope you don't believe that, that is beyond paranoia and into the lunatic fringe. you are glorifying the enemy, they are not this all seeing, all knowing godly force. they are a bunch of corrupt idiots. there have been numerous examples of this in the last decade.
do you really think they are going to track down every person who disagrees with them? they do not have an endless supply of predators with side winder missiles, nor the people to run them. if we are so easily tracked, where is Bin Laden? we put all of our resources and a hefty bounty on this person, and i have yet to see his head on a platter.
at BEST they could control a couple of cities, and not very well.
my take on this thread is the ability to spend time in the woods if you need to. i am not throwing all of my crap in a paper bag and walking into the woods and expecting to survive. i am staying right here, but if i need to do an extended patrol through the woods to either help people, do recon, or set up an ambush, i have no problem doing any of that, just like a bunch of other folks i know.
don't bury your head in the fricking sand, tough times need tough people Quoting: malu
Hey Malu...you know I like you. You have said nice things to some of my other posts.
But yes, I believe we are coming to a point in time where
people will be forced into being tracked. For a time we
will be able to barter but then no man will be able to buy or sell less he has the mark of the beast. People will be
hunted down. I still say you are putting yourself in a
bad situation if you are out in the open. 99% of people don't know how to survive (i.e. know what to watch for, how to watch for and stay out of harm's way) unless they are trained for this or are military. Things will get so desparate...you have no idea. There will be no tribulation
on the earth like this ever. It will be a dire situation.
Bin Laden was never hunted for...if our government really looked for him, he would have been found by now and easy as
pie. Nothing makes sense because it's all smoke and mirrors. You can't tell me that they could find Hitler and Saddam, but they couldn't find Bin Laden? There will be foreign troops on our soil... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380667
11/3/2008 2:24 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
One more thing...I do agree with what Lester said...
unless you are guarding your own city or town's water system, etc...you are wasting your time. I totally
agree with that. If you are honestly going to go out
in the wild or be outside, it is a city or town effort
to come together and guard where you live. It simply doesn't make sense to have people of your town all leave
like that...this is where you will see some people be
somewhat sucessful for awhile because they will band together and help protect from the inside out. Close to
home. |
| Enigma
User ID: 70637
11/3/2008 2:26 PM
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it's ALL speculation and preparation at this point, as none of this has ever happened...
what I prepare for MOST is cataclysmic environmental disaster...
hurricane
wild fire
tornado
earthquake
second is man made
biological
war
nuclear
govt gestapo
what I prep for third
is persecution
false accusation
imprisonment
etc...
like any event or preparation we need to use our head, rank what is the MOST LIKELY to happen, and concentrate our efforts there...
once that is done, then RE-RANK the threats and adjust and continue to prepare...
my latest and greatest preps are my seed vaults...
I have insurance for everything else, but how many of us grow our own food?
what kind of Insurance do you have that XYZ Grocery supply will always have nutrition?
what is plan Z?
gettin da hell off this continent by water...
my means of last resort...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 541730
11/3/2008 2:45 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
lester if you would have really read the threads instead of concentrating on your fucking critiquing them , you would realize im not the author ,a former marine who goes by the name tire iron is , and the threads provide a pretty comprehensive list on how and what and why to loadout if you got to bailout..Used to think you were pretty cool now i know you are just another arrogant know it all dickhead..Later..
I thought that opinion about Lester was just mine!
Everyone one of his replies seems to be "you don't know shit and I know everything"
While I agree to a point with what he's saying the way he states it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
To prevent this if I see his name on a thread or a post I just skip it!
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Rather amazing to see the egos so dependent upon acceptance of what they post by strangers. Not gonns make it very far in the wilderness with that attitude, sonny!
I guess the taste in your mouth is fear, or the realization that you have been bullshitting yourself about your "readiness".
If you plan to have any opportunity for success at all, you had better be out of the city and pre-deployed. All too many people think they will didibop out from their comfortable suburban digs once the baloon goes up. They have read to many tips from old vets who think the USA is The Arizona VN badlands.
Fact is, if your city has a highway loop surrounding it, within an hour of Martial Law, that highway and all others will be No Man's Land. Locked down and a killing zone. You think the freeways and Interstate highways aren't just that? Controlled access, long open expanses. Interstate Loops are population controlling nooses.
If you are going to live in the woods, you should be there already IF you think the shit is going down.
If you reside in a remote rural town or at the end of some country road, you probably need to be more worried about keeping strangers who have no business coming in, out. Having a communications network with your neighbors and arranging to block roads in strategic places.
Above all, you'd better have thought out what you need to do and made a plan. Then, after you've planned your actions, encountering the writings of someone who seems to know what he is talking about won't bother you so much.
Make your plan, work your plan; Respond with moves considered in advance, don't react. Chances are your reaction will have been anticipated by your enemy. If your response is your best considered option to counter their threat, you may prevail. After all, you know the home ground, and you know where they will be. Quoting: Lester
A perfect example of what they were saying about you Lester! |
| Underground_Dude
User ID: 499257
11/3/2008 3:03 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
it's ALL speculation and preparation at this point, as none of this has ever happened...
what I prepare for MOST is cataclysmic environmental disaster...
hurricane
wild fire
tornado
earthquake
second is man made
biological
war
nuclear
govt gestapo
what I prep for third
is persecution
false accusation
imprisonment
etc...
like any event or preparation we need to use our head, rank what is the MOST LIKELY to happen, and concentrate our efforts there...
once that is done, then RE-RANK the threats and adjust and continue to prepare...
my latest and greatest preps are my seed vaults...
I have insurance for everything else, but how many of us grow our own food?
what kind of Insurance do you have that XYZ Grocery supply will always have nutrition?
what is plan Z?
gettin da hell off this continent by water...
my means of last resort... Quoting: Enigma
Interesting thread a little heavy but interesting.
The getting off the continent by water part I've got covered not for the same reasons but covered non the less.
What I can't figure out is why does everyone think the gov is out to kill them?
We have a guest on the boat now that has worked with the gov for years and he finds this whole thing silly! He puts it like this they don't want you dead they want you passive.
I do agree with you Enigma I think what people need to plan for is a natural disaster first MAYBE second would be infrastructure collapse due to financial or attack.
It would be just to easy to shut down the electric grid and that's all it would take for everyone to be screwed.
Two more days and we are at our destination!! WOOOO HOOOOO! |
| Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 541529
11/3/2008 3:17 PM
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The only reason I see myself out patrolling the woods with a rifle is either hunting for food, or packs of feral dogs that are stealing food and livestock. The gators and snakes will deter most of the riff raff around here, lol.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 541691
11/3/2008 3:29 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Maybe you still have time to rethink your situation?
Maybe I need to reconsider all the extraneous facts and learning experiences I have gone through, and post them up with all the other info I present? Maybe that would make everybody more "comfortable"?
If you need to have your feelings assuaged/massaged by someone willing to share the result of their experiences with you, takes time to write them up, without compensation, then I suspect you are on the Charles Darwin Short List already.
Shit is happening. The events seem to be in motion and the light in the tunnel is brightening/intensifying hourly.
If you live in a town, with a highway loop surrounding it, my advice is if you are planning to bug-out, you had best be past/passed that loop in the first 20-30 mins of the baloon going up. If the "event" is planned/false-flag, you have no time once things have hit the fan, the highway access points will be manned and shutdown.
Can't miss a day or week of work?
You might miss your last exit from Brooklyn.
But, hey! You got your bug-out-bag and shit all ready to go! It's just not fair!
Probably that will leave a bad taste in your mouth, too. |
| Enigma
User ID: 70637
11/3/2008 3:57 PM
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I do agree with you Enigma I think what people need to plan for is a natural disaster first MAYBE second would be infrastructure collapse due to financial or attack.
It would be just to easy to shut down the electric grid and that's all it would take for everyone to be screwed.
Two more days and we are at our destination!! WOOOO HOOOOO! Quoting: Underground_Dude 499257
I don't think the govt is out to get me...
that's why it's so low on my list... and ONLY if I got falsely accused and framed into the criminal justice system...
As far as water egress goes, I have lots of boats,,, Avon RIB, Avon sport boats, Achilles Dinghy, lots of kayaks...
I can ALWAYS just get in my ocean kayak and start paddling..
and I KNOW I can handle that as I have surfed 25 foot hurricane storm swells in it...
But I also have my eye on a Blue water blow boat...
and yes I have some scoped out at marina's on the coast, in case I needed to just show up in the dark and try one out...
would never of course come back...
However I am planning on getting a real boat and a trailer and taking one of my 4wd's down to Belize to leave at a friends place..
also want to drag the trailer there as it's way easier to pull a boat out of the water for a cyclone than try and ride it out...
you just keep us alert on that island...
BTW I have close to 3kw of solar panels and charge controllers and inverters to equip some electricity with...
I used to work for the power company and a phone company... I KNOW how vulnerable all this infrastructure truly is...
enigma
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Enigma
User ID: 70637
11/3/2008 3:58 PM
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The only reason I see myself out patrolling the woods with a rifle is either hunting for food, or packs of feral dogs that are stealing food and livestock. The gators and snakes will deter most of the riff raff around here, lol. Quoting: Evil Twin
i'm from louisiana... I LOVE gator and snake...
would'nt bother me the least bit...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 538367
11/3/2008 4:01 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
my qustion is to all the critics of INFORMATION.
What are your plans when the shit hits the fan and the electric is down and no idea when its coming back on , the shelves at the stores are bare and your kids are hungry.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????
from point a to point b having to travel from one to the other and make it back reguardless if its military or your local gang of crips you have to make it thru. The information provided might just help your kids get fed because you suddenly remebered HEY i was a asshole but by god some black tape might be able to help me slip thru. |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 541529
11/3/2008 4:05 PM
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i'm from louisiana... I LOVE gator and snake...
would'nt bother me the least bit... Quoting: Enigma
I love 'em too...but the hungry dolts that have never set foot out of Tampa won't care for them very much, lol.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 495504
11/3/2008 4:09 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Give 'em a growl. Gnarl for us. Ggrr...................
Show those teeth. |
| Trench
User ID: 503187
11/3/2008 6:57 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Maybe you still have time to rethink your situation?
Maybe I need to reconsider all the extraneous facts and learning experiences I have gone through, and post them up with all the other info I present? Maybe that would make everybody more "comfortable"?
If you need to have your feelings assuaged/massaged by someone willing to share the result of their experiences with you, takes time to write them up, without compensation, then I suspect you are on the Charles Darwin Short List already.
Shit is happening. The events seem to be in motion and the light in the tunnel is brightening/intensifying hourly.
If you live in a town, with a highway loop surrounding it, my advice is if you are planning to bug-out, you had best be past/passed that loop in the first 20-30 mins of the baloon going up. If the "event" is planned/false-flag, you have no time once things have hit the fan, the highway access points will be manned and shutdown.
Can't miss a day or week of work?
You might miss your last exit from Brooklyn.
But, hey! You got your bug-out-bag and shit all ready to go! It's just not fair!
Probably that will leave a bad taste in your mouth, too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 541691
I expect nothing. I fear no one. I am free.
- Nikos Kazantzakis
"Before all else, be armed."
Niccolo Machiavelli
"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status-quo. You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify, or villify them. But the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."-Jack Kerouac
Yahoo Messenger: trenchhawk
Philosophy of Liberty: [link to illuminati-order.com] |
| field
User ID: 541897
11/3/2008 7:13 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Check it out Trench everyone is skeered to reply cuz you put the word militia in the title, lmao...
:gunsandgea:
Biggest blowhard at GLP award goes to...
...Omega!
And there's absolutely NO WAY he's a government provocatuer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 535726
nah not him....he's working for gun manufacturers...every chance he gets he starts ranting about how many guns to buy (a lot!) and don't forget truck loads of ammo..
Hyping up peoples fear levels and paranoia.... is that what provocatuers really do? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 532098
11/3/2008 7:21 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
...Im sorry but a gorilla war isnt something ANY military takes lightly.
... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 538367
It's guerilla damn it! |
| bbb
User ID: 505305
11/3/2008 7:51 PM
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Take note.
Not only are these lists of how you should conduct military
operations, but also how the mercenaries,national guard, and
military forces you will be up against do things.
I have a sudden craving for ranger brownies. |
| South of Dayton
User ID: 324898
11/3/2008 8:43 PM | | Lester
User ID: 541691
11/3/2008 10:20 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Maybe you need to quit thinking everybody but you is a goddamned idiot... Quoting: Trench
If you are going to post idiotic nonsense, cut & paste it up as if what you've selected has validity and applicability, then who wouldn't conclude you are an idiot?
Actually, why don't you tell us about why the ol' LRRPs info is pertinent to the situation America faces?
Maybe you could share your knowledge on partisan resistance? Were the French Resistance operations like the ol LRRP discusses? What did the Warsaw Ghetto Jews do to resist? What in the fuck is out in the forests to fight? How much wilderness borders the Metro areas of the East Coast? I kinda doubt that the Pine Barrens of NJ will be a hotspot. Neither will the mountains of NH, VT, or outback of Maine.
The USA is not VietNam 1964 with expansive triple-canopy forest, jungle and primitive indigeous peoples. |
| malu
User ID: 534474
11/4/2008 12:17 AM
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Check it out Trench everyone is skeered to reply cuz you put the word militia in the title, lmao...
:gunsandgea:
Biggest blowhard at GLP award goes to...
...Omega!
And there's absolutely NO WAY he's a government provocatuer.
nah not him....he's working for gun manufacturers...every chance he gets he starts ranting about how many guns to buy (a lot!) and don't forget truck loads of ammo..
Hyping up peoples fear levels and paranoia.... is that what provocatuers really do? Quoting: field
well if that were true(it isn't), i sure as hell expect to get a hell of a discount! frequent shooter miles or something
anywho, the name of the game is, one way or another, i think we all want the same thing, lots of different roads to get there, but i am going to stick my neck out and say, i would take any of ya on my team, IF the objective is to stay alive, help others, and try like hell to make it a better place for the next generation
personally, i owe a lot of gratitude of those who served before me, any chance i get to meet a vet, i take it, i have met some damn interesting people in my life just because i take listening seriously
people who know me in person know one thing about me, i don't say a whole lot, i listen and i watch
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| 14WORDS
User ID: 542038
11/4/2008 12:48 AM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Trench's original post may have used the "m" word. Fine.
But much of what he posted does not have much to do with rising up and fighting the US gov't.
The folks who say "you'll never beat the army" are missing the point.
In the event of a major government meltdown, like the one that seems to be already started, it will be up to the survivalists to do just that: SURVIVE.
In a TEOTWAWKI situation the tanks are not going to be your big problem. Roving bands of people with less than good intentions are.
No matter how well armed the enemy is it will boil down to guerilla warfare. And if you think that don't work, look at Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Guerilla tactics are effective. Hopefully effective long enough for you to survive.
"There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so." -- Nobel Prize-winner James Watson
"The war is coming to the streets of America and if you are not keeping and bearing and practicing with your arms then you will be helpless and you will be the victim of evil." - Ted Nugent
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." -Unknown |
| malu
User ID: 534474
11/4/2008 12:55 AM
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Trench's original post may have used the "m" word. Fine.
But much of what he posted does not have much to do with rising up and fighting the US gov't.
The folks who say "you'll never beat the army" are missing the point.
In the event of a major government meltdown, like the one that seems to be already started, it will be up to the survivalists to do just that: SURVIVE.
In a TEOTWAWKI situation the tanks are not going to be your big problem. Roving bands of people with less than good intentions are.
No matter how well armed the enemy is it will boil down to guerilla warfare. And if you think that don't work, look at Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Guerilla tactics are effective. Hopefully effective long enough for you to survive. Quoting: 14WORDS
amen! i am NOT afraid of the government, i just don't like them, the people i worry about are the ones who expect a handout
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
| 14WORDS
User ID: 542038
11/4/2008 2:09 AM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
Trench's original post may have used the "m" word. Fine.
But much of what he posted does not have much to do with rising up and fighting the US gov't.
The folks who say "you'll never beat the army" are missing the point.
In the event of a major government meltdown, like the one that seems to be already started, it will be up to the survivalists to do just that: SURVIVE.
In a TEOTWAWKI situation the tanks are not going to be your big problem. Roving bands of people with less than good intentions are.
No matter how well armed the enemy is it will boil down to guerilla warfare. And if you think that don't work, look at Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Guerilla tactics are effective. Hopefully effective long enough for you to survive.
amen! i am NOT afraid of the government, i just don't like them, the people i worry about are the ones who expect a handout Quoting: malu
So many people who see the term "survivalist" picture whack-jobs with delusions of grandeur and hopes of ruling the world.
But by definition, wouldn't a survivalist be the man who wants to "survive"?
"There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so." -- Nobel Prize-winner James Watson
"The war is coming to the streets of America and if you are not keeping and bearing and practicing with your arms then you will be helpless and you will be the victim of evil." - Ted Nugent
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." -Unknown |
| Lester
User ID: 542548
11/4/2008 12:54 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
A "survivalist", (Kurt Saxon coined the term originally), is a person who has concluded that the many dependencies and risks of "typical" middle/upper-class life in America exposes them/their family to a significant likelihood of ruin/failure. The risks such a person might evaluate include those which might affect them/their family in event of financial collapse, nuclear or civil war, or natural disaster like earthquake or hurricane/tornado.
The "survivalist" is not seeking mere "survival".
His/her goal is not to have to rely on finding a means of clinging to life in event of catastrophe. After all, there may not be a life boat or piece of debris for your to crawl into/on in the shipwreck that is financial collapse, and you may just die from exposure no matter what you had hoped...
The Survivalist sees the very fragile threads of humanity, and decides they are not reliable enough to risk life and future. How did Blanche DuBois fare, relying on the "kindness of strangers"?
The Survivalist has noted the relocation of American production and business, the degradation of American society, the crookedness of American politics and business on all levels; concluded that it cannot sustain itself and is not being groomed for anything but collapse.
The Survivalist is not an idealist, rather a rational judge of situations that affect him/her. Survivalist realizes the system cannot be changed, and those running the show intend for the collapse and war to occur.
So, Survivalist decides he/she can relocate to an area of some self-sufficiency potential. Live "out of the line of fire" and take action to reduce exposure and dependence on complex systems functioning. Survivalist, like Thoreau, chooses to "live deliberately".
Weaponry and fighting is often discussed on discussion boards as a primary survivalist goal and readiness. Actually, if The Survivalist has moved "out of the line of fire", they have little to fear from "the mad Max" scenario. Survivalist has committed the bulk of their assets to tools, supplies, gear, food stores, and other assets to assure the comfort and well-being of family and others they may be moved to aid.
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This thread, the original posted article, is not of "Survivalist" orientation.
Unless the major focus of his/her planning has been defective, the survivalist is not seeking to spend their time in Long Range Recon Patrol functions living in some wilderness with only the gear they carry in a backpack or two.
Perhaps some town in the Rogue River area will have to organize such Sweep & Clear groups, but defenses are more likely to be organized to control road access routes etc. Rivers and other natural barriers would tend to be considered by the Survivalist in choosing a locale anyway. Much better to allow river, desert, mountains, swamp and other town barriers work to keep marauders at bay than have to spend all your time in sweep & clear deployment.
More important to have gear and supplies for self-sufficient living and agriculture than to be ready to fight; IF you have chosen your location well. |
| Enigma
User ID: 70637
11/4/2008 1:03 PM
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I have to agree Lester...
while Trench posted some great info on Neighborhood DeFense Posse action and gear, a true survivalist knows that the best way to survive a firefight IS TO NOT GET IN ONE!
kind of like the dumbasses who talk guns fighing etc, and don't own body armor...
BODY ARMOR is what you need to survive a firefight for sure...
but to SURVIVE a collapse, disaster, bird flue pandemic, earthquake, etc... you need food, water, shelter, and the ability to grow more...
seeds? got plenty of seeds? fertilizer? land?
I even wear mine to the range... WHY?" because there are dumbasses there that may ACCIDENTLY shoot me!
and seriously, there aint gonna be a lot of "survival" going on if you live in or near a large city and you are the only one with food water and shelter...
best to have enough to share with your neighbors, as you HAVE TO sleep sooner or later....
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Focal Point
User ID: 507586
11/4/2008 1:08 PM
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Im not gonna discount survivalists at all. Its simply a security blanket (mentally) and/or a fun hobby.
I am not a hardcore but i am semi prepared to handle a situation. If TSHTF i am gonna be really pissed at myself. I am also familiar with ways to get my water supplies up to snuff right away for 30 days.
Whats the difference between being a survivalist buying MRE's and a girl buying shoes?
Nothing
Its an a way of validation.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Carthago delenda est |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 542270
11/4/2008 1:15 PM | | Re: Survivalism For Those Who Asked ..Militia Tips and Tricks | Quote |
the problem with the thread isnt the O.P and his post...
the problem lies in the fact that many people will think they are rambo, and try using such techniquies, only to find out, they are so out of shape and/ or out of practice, the techniquies are virtually useless...and they may have been better off just sitting in the comfort of their lazy boy recliner , taking pop shots out their window, at would be intruders...
as I said earlier...the info presented in the OPs thread does not apply to 99.9% of society. ..therefore, it is of little to no use for most of us...it is bascially good for one main thing..
talking points |
| Focal Point
User ID: 507586
11/4/2008 1:21 PM
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the problem with the thread isnt the O.P and his post...
the problem lies in the fact that many people will think they are rambo, and try using such techniquies, only to find out, they are so out of shape and/ or out of practice, the techniquies are virtually useless...and they may have been better off just sitting in the comfort of their lazy boy recliner , taking pop shots out their window, at would be intruders...
as I said earlier...the info presented in the OPs thread does not apply to 99.9% of society. ..therefore, it is of little to no use for most of us...it is bascially good for one main thing..
talking points Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542270
I agree to a point. Why fault the survivalist (wannabe or not) I have a friend with a comic book collection worth 15k, a woman who collects hummel figurines, a rock hound who buys diamond saws, the guy who buys every power tool he can get his hands on but works too much to build anything.
Although the hobby is a bit out there i dont fault any survivor. Espescially if there an outdoors type they already get a headstart.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Carthago delenda est |
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