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Transcending Duality

 
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Duality will always exist, it is integral to the way the universe works. However, there is an existence that is possible to experience that is outside of duality. When I first realized the possibility of transcending duality, I immediately became unable to be angry at bad or negative events that happened in my life.

I did this because I stopped seeing these events as bad. These events I started to interpret as opposite and equal reactions to actions I had previously acted out. Everything that happens to anyone, good or bad, is merely a result of the actions they themselves perform here on earth. It can be said, that what you do to others, you ultimately do to yourself. Recognizing this is a huge, and important step in mastering your personal integrity.

A few weeks ago I went camping with some friends. The day we arrived the truck slashed a tire on a sharp rock. This would have made me quite upset, and it nearly did, as my friends and I were 25 miles down a 4x4 trail with a bad spare tire and no easy way to get out. To most people, this is a really shitty experience and their day would be ruined, the camping trip as well.

As I sat there trying to decide what to do, I could feel myself starting to become angry, thinking negative thoughts about how fucked we were and how much of a pain in the ass it would be to get out of this mess. Quickly, I stopped myself before I let it escalate. I realized that no one was dead, we were still going to camp and have a good time. My anger vanished just as quickly as it appeared, and we were still able to camp and have a good time, just like I realized. :) When the time did come to extract the truck, it was a huge pain in the ass and it did take forever, but you know what? I didn't care. :) It was more time I got to spend out in the mountains with friends laughing and having a good time as we have yet another adventure in our crazy lives. No regrets about it, although I could have let it be a miserable experience.

Living here on earth, bad things are going to happen to a person no matter what. It is unavoidable. It is also up to you how you decide how to react to them. Living here on earth, one has two choices; to live in heaven, or to live in hell. The same thing can happen in someone's life, but they can be living in one or the other reality depending on how they decide to look at life.

Two completely different lives, but the same all in one. It all depends on how you decide to look at it. When something shitty happens, will you think of it as the world coming down on you, or will you look at it as an opportunity to learn something you haven't yet discovered? Perhaps a chance to relive something differently you may have had regrets about in the past?

You may learn that when you can put this into good practice, time also ceases to operate in a linear fashion. Life no longer happens as a straight line from past to future, life works more like a spiral. Each time the spiral turns, each dance you make along it, is a new opportunity, a new angle to perceive the universe, a new chance to learn something you missed the last time around. A new beginning.

Dance your spiral.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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beautifully said.
as it is put in one of my favorite tales..it's all in which wolf ( or coyote!) we choose to feed ...
hf
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all....
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very well said.... applause
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yes we have to transcend duality, but it doesn't mean that we won't be working with it anymore.
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I have duality in my brain, I switch from one person to another sometimes ... the doctor gave me tabs which are really sweet cos now I don't feel like killin anymore and can sit on the couch for six+ hours b4 I realise that I haven't moved and have been staring at the wall.
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beautifully said.
as it is put in one of my favorite tales..it's all in which wolf ( or coyote!) we choose to feed ...
hf
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Feed me! I am good.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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yes we have to transcend duality, but it doesn't mean that we won't be working with it anymore.
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Absolutely. Being able to operate outside of duality only allows you to better work with it. :)
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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I've thought about duality for a while... but I ended up thinking about things as Positive or Negative, but rather that you are a positive being, and negative things that arise in your life represent "Opposing Force"...

I thought the idea of "Opposing Force" sounds better than claiming something that happens in my life as "Negative".

Healthy Salmon swim upstream... the river represents opposing force and is not really "Negative"... only dead salmon float downstream.

Opposing force will manifest itself in your life in many ways too, they may appear to be subjective, but I think it is just one force, like duality. As you are alive, that opposing force will always be there.

Being a human means you will always be subject to the opposing forces in life and they may be visualized in duality... But they are there to evolve your being.

Cool thread man.
See ya.
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I've thought about duality for a while... but I ended up thinking about things as Positive or Negative, but rather that you are a positive being, and negative things that arise in your life represent "Opposing Force"...

I thought the idea of "Opposing Force" sounds better than claiming something that happens in my life as "Negative".

Healthy Salmon swim upstream... the river represents opposing force and is not really "Negative"... only dead salmon float downstream.

Opposing force will manifest itself in your life in many ways too, they may appear to be subjective, but I think it is just one force, like duality. As you are alive, that opposing force will always be there.

Being a human means you will always be subject to the opposing forces in life and they may be visualized in duality... But they are there to evolve your being.

Cool thread man.
 Quoting: Tryptamind



I like what you have to say! What you are describing to me is called "wu-wei", which translates into doing nothing. In other words, going with the will of the universe. :) Jesus described this as "my yoke is easy."

You truly live life when you live it as wu wei. Opposing nothing, going where the will of the universe lets you. No schedule, no plans, no preconception. Just living, and going where the wind takes you. :)

Going against wu wei would be the opposing force you are talking about, going against the will of the universe. Attempting to control the events in your life, ignoring what your heart is telling you, making effort to determine things and events to go the way you want them to when they would not otherwise, can be called working against wu wei.

Wu Wei is not about being lazy and doing nothing. Rather, it is about following the way of nature and not wasting energy. Wasting energy is opposing wu wei. That is the salmon that refuses to go upstream to breed. Wu wei is about the beauty of "letting it be"!




When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,
there will be an answer. let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light, that shines on me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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*Feeds the beautiful coyote... looks deeply into his wonderful eye.*

hf
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hf bump hf
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"As I sat there trying to decide what to do, I could feel myself starting to become angry, thinking negative thoughts about how fucked we were and how much of a pain in the ass it would be to get out of this mess. Quickly, I stopped myself before I let it escalate. I realized that no one was dead, we were still going to camp and have a good time. My anger vanished just as quickly as it appeared, and we were still able to camp and have a good time, just like I realized. :) When the time did come to extract the truck, it was a huge pain in the ass and it did take forever, but you know what? I didn't care. :) It was more time I got to spend out in the mountains with friends laughing and having a good time as we have yet another adventure in our crazy lives. No regrets about it, although I could have let it be a miserable experience"

This is how one creates a more positive "timeline" into the future. Nicely put Coyote hf
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This is how one creates a more positive "timeline" into the future. Nicely put Coyote hf
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Too bad we won't ever see something like this pinned. ;)
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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I like what you have to say! What you are describing to me is called "wu-wei", which translates into doing nothing. In other words, going with the will of the universe. :) Jesus described this as "my yoke is easy."

You truly live life when you live it as wu wei. Opposing nothing, going where the will of the universe lets you. No schedule, no plans, no preconception. Just living, and going where the wind takes you. :)

Going against wu wei would be the opposing force you are talking about, going against the will of the universe. Attempting to control the events in your life, ignoring what your heart is telling you, making effort to determine things and events to go the way you want them to when they would not otherwise, can be called working against wu wei.

Wu Wei is not about being lazy and doing nothing. Rather, it is about following the way of nature and not wasting energy. Wasting energy is opposing wu wei. It is the salmon that refuses to go upstream to breed. It is about the beauty of "letting it be"!
 Quoting: canislatrans



Thank you, canislatrans,

Many do not like that word, but for me, what you describe is a surrender.
Finally surrender to the fact that there is a higher intelligence in me, (yes,) and all I have to do is to attend the show.

For as long as I am thinking about improving the trip, I surely am missing the ride altogether, over and over again...

and something else, you said 'bad things happen'

I lately am able to be conscious of the fact that 'bad' is just another label, instead of a word, which to our conditional understanding will trigger certain amount of pain and fear, ...according to those whose job is to explain meaning of the labels to us, and how important those labels are. Start with your parents.

So, bad is just another occurrence which have no choice but to ultimately 'work for good'.
I do believe that I wrote my own script. I know today, it is perfect.


Thanks again.


ExCaliBear.

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So, bad is just another occurrence which have no choice but to ultimately 'work for good'.
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Even the "bad" works for the "good", as it can serve as a lesson, or a reminder to another on what or what not to do. The only real bad, is when you choose not to learn when the opportunity presents itself.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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This is how one creates a more positive "timeline" into the future. Nicely put Coyote hf



Too bad we won't ever see something like this pinned. ;)
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Canis... you're 'pinned' in my book...

You have written beautifully on this thread, and already many thoughtful posts have been added by others too.

Dancing the spiral....

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the extremes of evil and good: evil loves himself and good loves everything but himself.

the balance is unconditional love which is neither good or evil. it just is.
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:sprawl:

I'm spinning!
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the extremes of evil and good: evil loves himself and good loves everything but himself.

the balance is unconditional love which is neither good or evil. it just is.
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Shit i meant ITSELF
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the extremes of evil and good: evil loves himself and good loves everything but himself.
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All in an eternal battle, one over the other. Realizing this and taking no active part, yet existing in harmony within, is the transcendence thereof.
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Even the "bad" works for the "good", as it can serve as a lesson, or a reminder to another on what or what not to do. The only real bad, is when you choose not to learn when the opportunity presents itself.
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This is something I've learned in my time here. For me, it was personal experiences with death. I've lost a daughter, my father, ex-mother in law, grandma, grandpa, 2 uncles, and 3 aunts in my 33 years. With my daughter, which was the first, I was angry and had a very difficult time resolving the emotions. But, over time, I chose to view myself less as victim of circumstance and more as support person for my family members (in the case of my most recent experiences, they were all long term illnesses, hospice situations.) I was able to take situations that are viewed as tragic (by society) and instead create opportunities for sharing and quality time at the bedsides of out dying loved ones. I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything in the world!

Of course, it extends to the rest of life as well. Reality is subjective, and it's all really a matter of perspective.

Sorry to get heavy...
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Sorry to get heavy...
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No way, nothing wrong with heavy. Thank you for sharing your piece of the universe. :) Threads like these exist for those difficult times, as it is those that test our boundaries and personal integrity the most.

You are certainly riding the wave.
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Sorry to get heavy...



No way, nothing wrong with heavy. Thank you for sharing your piece of the universe. :) Threads like these exist for those difficult times, as it is those that test our boundaries and personal integrity the most.

You are certainly riding the wave.
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Riding the waves is a good analogy. I'm currently on the upswing. :) I've really been feeling very hopeful as of late.

Luckily, the deaths have been somewhat spread out. Though, on the difficult days, I've wondered if I'm paying some horrendous karmic debt in this lifetime... ;)

And, while I'm at it, I want to thank you, Canislatrans. You had an advice thread going a while back and you gave me some really wonderful warm and fuzzy advice. It was before I was registered with a username, but I wanted to let you know how much it encouraged me to take action.

You are a beacon, and your love and warmth creates a ripple effect that effects others. Thank goodness for you!
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Sarah Palin will hunt all coyotes and wolfs with her presidential helicopter.
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My math prof seemed a little worried the day I came in and told him I had had a revelation: It's not either/or rather both/and....
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Canislatrans,

I wholeheartedly agree with You and I would give You this additional in My case.

I'd have gone to the point where I would have thought to Myself...

"There is no use getting pissed off about it. If I hadn't wanted to experience this - I would have had a "good to go" almost brand new tire for a spare as opposed to this piece of shit I'm looking at. Owell..."

As soon as I realize that I put Myself in a certain position or didn't plan well enough when I should have (Which is pretty much why anything untowards happens to Us) - It instantly nullifies the Negativity I may feel about any given circumstance...

Pretty effective. Using a natural thinking process to nullify Negativity. No Flowers - No White Robes. Ta Da...

sch
Peace, Light, Life, Love, Unity and Harmony.

Namaste,

Mercuriel
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Hi Canislatrans,

Excellent post, the anger disappearing. My thoughts on it: It can only be because of your awareness of it. You were PRESENT when it arose. Negativity cannot exist long in an aware mind. It dissipates as by itself, like a wave in the ocean. You were not the doer but observing the doer, the mind in this case. This is the non-dual state, wu-wei, the 4th state, doing by non-doing. There is no good or bad in observing. It is a process and you are it. All else is illusion.

From you other posts i see you are on the straight path, learning fast. A lot of your realizations i recognize as my own. I do not remember it happening before like this.
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Many do not like that word, but for me, what you describe is a surrender.
Finally surrender to the fact that there is a higher intelligence in me, (yes,) and all I have to do is to attend the show.
ExCaliBear.

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Let it be,
 Quoting: ExCaliBear

Hi ExCaliBear, i like your post, i like surrender. I surrendered to life, the flow of creation. Peace, freedom, it is all there.
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All in an eternal battle, one over the other. Realizing this and taking no active part, yet existing in harmony within, is the transcendence thereof.
 Quoting: canislatrans

Yes, Canis, eventually we all becoming Shaman and we all master this physical existence - that's our destiny, I believe. Part of that is to release judgement and create what we wish to experience. Then are we are fully ready for the next great experience, away from 3D, hopefully.

Lovely thread, thank you! hf

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