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canislatrans (OP) User ID: 516342 United States 11/04/2008 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes we have to transcend duality, but it doesn't mean that we won't be working with it anymore. Quoting: gus 538688Absolutely. Being able to operate outside of duality only allows you to better work with it. :) And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
Tryptamind User ID: 366812 Canada 11/04/2008 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've thought about duality for a while... but I ended up thinking about things as Positive or Negative, but rather that you are a positive being, and negative things that arise in your life represent "Opposing Force"... I thought the idea of "Opposing Force" sounds better than claiming something that happens in my life as "Negative". Healthy Salmon swim upstream... the river represents opposing force and is not really "Negative"... only dead salmon float downstream. Opposing force will manifest itself in your life in many ways too, they may appear to be subjective, but I think it is just one force, like duality. As you are alive, that opposing force will always be there. Being a human means you will always be subject to the opposing forces in life and they may be visualized in duality... But they are there to evolve your being. Cool thread man. See ya. |
canislatrans (OP) User ID: 516342 United States 11/04/2008 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've thought about duality for a while... but I ended up thinking about things as Positive or Negative, but rather that you are a positive being, and negative things that arise in your life represent "Opposing Force"... Quoting: TryptamindI thought the idea of "Opposing Force" sounds better than claiming something that happens in my life as "Negative". Healthy Salmon swim upstream... the river represents opposing force and is not really "Negative"... only dead salmon float downstream. Opposing force will manifest itself in your life in many ways too, they may appear to be subjective, but I think it is just one force, like duality. As you are alive, that opposing force will always be there. Being a human means you will always be subject to the opposing forces in life and they may be visualized in duality... But they are there to evolve your being. Cool thread man. I like what you have to say! What you are describing to me is called "wu-wei", which translates into doing nothing. In other words, going with the will of the universe. :) Jesus described this as "my yoke is easy." You truly live life when you live it as wu wei. Opposing nothing, going where the will of the universe lets you. No schedule, no plans, no preconception. Just living, and going where the wind takes you. :) Going against wu wei would be the opposing force you are talking about, going against the will of the universe. Attempting to control the events in your life, ignoring what your heart is telling you, making effort to determine things and events to go the way you want them to when they would not otherwise, can be called working against wu wei. Wu Wei is not about being lazy and doing nothing. Rather, it is about following the way of nature and not wasting energy. Wasting energy is opposing wu wei. That is the salmon that refuses to go upstream to breed. Wu wei is about the beauty of "letting it be"! When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom, let it be. And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me, speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be. And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree, there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer. let it be. Let it be, let it be, ..... And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light, that shines on me, shine until tomorrow, let it be. I wake up to the sound of music, mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be, ..... And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 542111 Australia 11/04/2008 01:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "As I sat there trying to decide what to do, I could feel myself starting to become angry, thinking negative thoughts about how fucked we were and how much of a pain in the ass it would be to get out of this mess. Quickly, I stopped myself before I let it escalate. I realized that no one was dead, we were still going to camp and have a good time. My anger vanished just as quickly as it appeared, and we were still able to camp and have a good time, just like I realized. :) When the time did come to extract the truck, it was a huge pain in the ass and it did take forever, but you know what? I didn't care. :) It was more time I got to spend out in the mountains with friends laughing and having a good time as we have yet another adventure in our crazy lives. No regrets about it, although I could have let it be a miserable experience" This is how one creates a more positive "timeline" into the future. Nicely put Coyote |
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ExCaliBear User ID: 492345 United States 11/04/2008 01:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like what you have to say! What you are describing to me is called "wu-wei", which translates into doing nothing. In other words, going with the will of the universe. :) Jesus described this as "my yoke is easy." You truly live life when you live it as wu wei. Opposing nothing, going where the will of the universe lets you. No schedule, no plans, no preconception. Just living, and going where the wind takes you. :) Going against wu wei would be the opposing force you are talking about, going against the will of the universe. Attempting to control the events in your life, ignoring what your heart is telling you, making effort to determine things and events to go the way you want them to when they would not otherwise, can be called working against wu wei. Wu Wei is not about being lazy and doing nothing. Rather, it is about following the way of nature and not wasting energy. Wasting energy is opposing wu wei. It is the salmon that refuses to go upstream to breed. It is about the beauty of "letting it be"! Thank you, canislatrans, Many do not like that word, but for me, what you describe is a surrender. Finally surrender to the fact that there is a higher intelligence in me, (yes,) and all I have to do is to attend the show. For as long as I am thinking about improving the trip, I surely am missing the ride altogether, over and over again... and something else, you said 'bad things happen' I lately am able to be conscious of the fact that 'bad' is just another label, instead of a word, which to our conditional understanding will trigger certain amount of pain and fear, ...according to those whose job is to explain meaning of the labels to us, and how important those labels are. Start with your parents. So, bad is just another occurrence which have no choice but to ultimately 'work for good'. I do believe that I wrote my own script. I know today, it is perfect. Thanks again. ExCaliBear. Let it be, "Discover your divinity, find your unique talent, serve humanity with it and you can generate all the wealth you want." -Depak Chopra- [link to thefountainofhealing.com] |
canislatrans (OP) User ID: 516342 United States 11/04/2008 01:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, bad is just another occurrence which have no choice but to ultimately 'work for good'. Quoting: ExCaliBearEven the "bad" works for the "good", as it can serve as a lesson, or a reminder to another on what or what not to do. The only real bad, is when you choose not to learn when the opportunity presents itself. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
*Jude* User ID: 492345 United States 11/04/2008 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how one creates a more positive "timeline" into the future. Nicely put Coyote Quoting: canislatransToo bad we won't ever see something like this pinned. ;) Canis... you're 'pinned' in my book... You have written beautifully on this thread, and already many thoughtful posts have been added by others too. Dancing the spiral.... We need a reason for speaking; we need none for keeping silent. Pierre Nicole |
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canislatrans (OP) User ID: 516342 United States 11/04/2008 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the extremes of evil and good: evil loves himself and good loves everything but himself. Quoting: gus 538688All in an eternal battle, one over the other. Realizing this and taking no active part, yet existing in harmony within, is the transcendence thereof. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
~fish out of water~ User ID: 524772 United States 11/04/2008 02:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even the "bad" works for the "good", as it can serve as a lesson, or a reminder to another on what or what not to do. The only real bad, is when you choose not to learn when the opportunity presents itself. Quoting: canislatransThis is something I've learned in my time here. For me, it was personal experiences with death. I've lost a daughter, my father, ex-mother in law, grandma, grandpa, 2 uncles, and 3 aunts in my 33 years. With my daughter, which was the first, I was angry and had a very difficult time resolving the emotions. But, over time, I chose to view myself less as victim of circumstance and more as support person for my family members (in the case of my most recent experiences, they were all long term illnesses, hospice situations.) I was able to take situations that are viewed as tragic (by society) and instead create opportunities for sharing and quality time at the bedsides of out dying loved ones. I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything in the world! Of course, it extends to the rest of life as well. Reality is subjective, and it's all really a matter of perspective. Sorry to get heavy... |
canislatrans (OP) User ID: 516342 United States 11/04/2008 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry to get heavy... Quoting: ~fish out of water~No way, nothing wrong with heavy. Thank you for sharing your piece of the universe. :) Threads like these exist for those difficult times, as it is those that test our boundaries and personal integrity the most. You are certainly riding the wave. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
~fish out of water~ User ID: 524772 United States 11/04/2008 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry to get heavy... Quoting: canislatransNo way, nothing wrong with heavy. Thank you for sharing your piece of the universe. :) Threads like these exist for those difficult times, as it is those that test our boundaries and personal integrity the most. You are certainly riding the wave. Riding the waves is a good analogy. I'm currently on the upswing. :) I've really been feeling very hopeful as of late. Luckily, the deaths have been somewhat spread out. Though, on the difficult days, I've wondered if I'm paying some horrendous karmic debt in this lifetime... ;) And, while I'm at it, I want to thank you, Canislatrans. You had an advice thread going a while back and you gave me some really wonderful warm and fuzzy advice. It was before I was registered with a username, but I wanted to let you know how much it encouraged me to take action. You are a beacon, and your love and warmth creates a ripple effect that effects others. Thank goodness for you! |
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Mercuriel User ID: 517012 Canada 11/04/2008 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Canislatrans, I wholeheartedly agree with You and I would give You this additional in My case. I'd have gone to the point where I would have thought to Myself... "There is no use getting pissed off about it. If I hadn't wanted to experience this - I would have had a "good to go" almost brand new tire for a spare as opposed to this piece of shit I'm looking at. Owell..." As soon as I realize that I put Myself in a certain position or didn't plan well enough when I should have (Which is pretty much why anything untowards happens to Us) - It instantly nullifies the Negativity I may feel about any given circumstance... Pretty effective. Using a natural thinking process to nullify Negativity. No Flowers - No White Robes. Ta Da... Peace, Light, Life, Love, Unity and Harmony. Namaste, Mercuriel |
Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 11/04/2008 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Canislatrans, Excellent post, the anger disappearing. My thoughts on it: It can only be because of your awareness of it. You were PRESENT when it arose. Negativity cannot exist long in an aware mind. It dissipates as by itself, like a wave in the ocean. You were not the doer but observing the doer, the mind in this case. This is the non-dual state, wu-wei, the 4th state, doing by non-doing. There is no good or bad in observing. It is a process and you are it. All else is illusion. From you other posts i see you are on the straight path, learning fast. A lot of your realizations i recognize as my own. I do not remember it happening before like this. |
Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 11/04/2008 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many do not like that word, but for me, what you describe is a surrender. Quoting: ExCaliBearFinally surrender to the fact that there is a higher intelligence in me, (yes,) and all I have to do is to attend the show. ExCaliBear. Let it be, Hi ExCaliBear, i like your post, i like surrender. I surrendered to life, the flow of creation. Peace, freedom, it is all there. |
Div User ID: 540823 United Kingdom 11/04/2008 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All in an eternal battle, one over the other. Realizing this and taking no active part, yet existing in harmony within, is the transcendence thereof. Quoting: canislatransYes, Canis, eventually we all becoming Shaman and we all master this physical existence - that's our destiny, I believe. Part of that is to release judgement and create what we wish to experience. Then are we are fully ready for the next great experience, away from 3D, hopefully. Lovely thread, thank you! |