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Will Supreme Court have say in presidency?
Schedule includes campaign response to questions on Obama birthplace
Posted: November 04, 2008
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© 2008 WorldNetDaily

U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter has rejected an emergency appeal for the court to halt the tabulation of the 2008 presidential election
results until Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama documents his eligibility to run for the office, according to an attorney who brought the action that challenges the Illinois senator's standing in the race.

However, the issue isn't going away, at least for now, since Souter set a schedule for a response from Obama to the challenge from attorney Philip J. Berg.

WND reported earlier when Berg brought his claims to the Supreme Court. That move came after a federal judge dismissed Berg's lawsuit alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because of a possible birth in Kenya.

The judge concluded Berg lacks standing to bring the action.

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Philip J. Berg

The 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order from Judge R. Barclay Surrick said ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.

Instead, Surrick said Congress could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

In a statement today, Berg said he was told by a clerk for Souter that his application for an injunction to stay the election was denied. But he also said the defendants "are required to respond to the Writ of Certiorari" by Dec. 1.


The questions over Obama's eligibility first got traction among Internet bloggers and later were heightened when several campaigns were launched to determine whether a "certificate of live birth" posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign was valid.

The issue gained more attention when Berg told radio talk show icon Michael Savage he had an admission from Obama's grandmother that she was at his birth – in Kenya.

"This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States – the most powerful man in the entire world – is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?"

WND senior investigative reporter Jerome Corsi traveled both to Kenya and Hawaii to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth.

But his discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if there exists a Hawaii birth certificate, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

The governor's office in Hawaii said it was valid, but rejected requests for access, and left ambiguous whether the Obama birth certificate on file with the Department of Health was originally generated by a Hawaii doctor after Obama was born in Hawaii, or generated in Kenya and subsequently registered by the Obama family in Hawaii.

Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has claimed Obama was born in two different Hawaii hospitals.

And a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed personally Obama's birth in Kenya.

As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Berg demanded that Obama provide documentation
to the court to verify that the candidate was born in Hawaii, as Obama contends, and not in Kenya, as Berg believes.

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The 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order from Judge R. Barclay Surrick said ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office."Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."


how many people have sued under the constitution? this alone sets a precedent.
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People with standing are now issuing a class action case.

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People with standing are now issuing a class action case.

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for me this is beyond his BC issue/eligibility. i want to know the truth. was he or wasnt he born in kenya? by them sealing records and not producing documents begins this presidency in suspect.
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Never going to happen if they need to they will fake the birth certificate.
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You are still listening to Berg and his comments on what is required? Are you crazy? Confirm the requirement from other sources; stop drinking the Berg brain rot. Seriously, he is untrustworthy and people often think "X is required" because of him, which was not.

Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY. Folks, just because you want MORE than what is LEGALLY necessary means nothing. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS DONE. The CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EVEN STIPULATE HOW IT IS AFFIRMED. But the legal system HAS. And Obama HAS given it. END OF STORY. STOP THE BRAIN ROT.
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You are still listening to Berg and his comments on what is required? Are you crazy? Confirm the requirement from other sources; stop drinking the Berg brain rot. Seriously, he is untrustworthy and people often think "X is required" because of him, which was not.

Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY. Folks, just because you want MORE than what is LEGALLY necessary means nothing. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS DONE. The CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EVEN STIPULATE HOW IT IS AFFIRMED. But the legal system HAS. And Obama HAS given it. END OF STORY. STOP THE BRAIN ROT.
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this is the same outcome as the 911 commission/Omission.
just because i sing and dance around in my underwear, doesnt make me Madonna. never will.
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The brain rot people are the ones who don't question it.
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You are still listening to Berg and his comments on what is required? Are you crazy? Confirm the requirement from other sources; stop drinking the Berg brain rot. Seriously, he is untrustworthy and people often think "X is required" because of him, which was not.

Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY. Folks, just because you want MORE than what is LEGALLY necessary means nothing. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS DONE. The CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EVEN STIPULATE HOW IT IS AFFIRMED. But the legal system HAS. And Obama HAS given it. END OF STORY. STOP THE BRAIN ROT.
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sorry, in the eyes of a concerned citizenry, legalisms have no standing in a case where the common law is being danced around...the documents were not official and looked suspiciously doctored

it's a very simple thing which needs to be done...that he refuses should raise flags and sound alarms
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Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY.
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Baloney. The whole point is that neither the Constitution nor Congress has specified exactly what level of evidence is required.

Consider the case of someone who was adopted (in a traditional "closed" adoption) shortly after birth. He has a fictitious "certificate of birth" generated by his state. This is good enough to attend public schools. But does anyone imagine that an admittedly fictitious certificate satisfies the Constitutional requirement for Presidential eligibility?

How do we know that Barack Obama's "certificate of birth" is not merely a fiction of adoption?
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How can even the most hypnotized Obama-Bot not have some nagging suspicions about WHY the Messiah is fighting tooth and nail, and spending fortunes defending a dozen cases all over the USA, just to avoid showing his long-form Birth Certificate to a judge, or filing a copy with even one of these courts to end the issue once and for all???

We'll see what he does in the next 26 days with the Supreme Court!!! Will he just shine them on also, like he has with the other Courts???
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You are still listening to Berg and his comments on what is required? Are you crazy? Confirm the requirement from other sources; stop drinking the Berg brain rot. Seriously, he is untrustworthy and people often think "X is required" because of him, which was not.

Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY. Folks, just because you want MORE than what is LEGALLY necessary means nothing. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS DONE. The CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EVEN STIPULATE HOW IT IS AFFIRMED. But the legal system HAS. And Obama HAS given it. END OF STORY. STOP THE BRAIN ROT.


sorry, in the eyes of a concerned citizenry, legalisms have no standing in a case where the common law is being danced around...the documents were not official and looked suspiciously doctored

it's a very simple thing which needs to be done...that he refuses should raise flags and sound alarms
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No document you see on the internet will be official; but what you saw was a COPY OF AN OFFICIAL LEGAL DOCUMENT. IT IS WHAT HAWAII GIVES OUT. And the Hawaii officials continue to point this out. What you think you deserve is not the same thing as what one needs to prove citizenship; the theories of forgery and lies can be used for any document, including the vault copy of the bc, for people who don't want to believe. If you don't believe Hawaii now, you can't believe it when it says "this is the original" as well.

But the world as a whole is not filled with this brain rot. Obama WON.
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Which hospital was he born in?

The Court will ask this question. He needs to verify on a birth certificate the hospital of his birth.
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Ten to one it says Mombassa.

He has to be a Natural Born citizen to be President. He can't evade the law indefinitely.
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Which hospital was he born in?

The Court will ask this question. He needs to verify on a birth certificate the hospital of his birth.
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First, does he have to be born in a hospital? No. Invalid question. The Constitution doesn't ask this question for citizenship either. It's not needed information, and perhaps one of the reasons why they are not getting it out is fear of stalkers -- people who will harass the medical team at the hospital, demanding more and more info. This question is a non-sequitur, and that is one of the reasons why it is IGNORED by anyone but those possessed by brain rot. It is not needed info. One doesn't need to give in to harassment; each time something is given, something more is demanded until "See, he is hiding something" comes out again. That is how it is played. The only way out of this game is to not play it. He is right. The idiots don't get it.
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Ten to one it says Mombassa.

He has to be a Natural Born citizen to be President. He can't evade the law indefinitely.
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He has provided OFFICIAL DECLARATION of being BORN IN THE US. That is all that is required. Officials have seen it, and he has shown a copy of a record which is a legally valid declaration of that fact. Just because you want to bait and switch doesn't count.
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You are still listening to Berg and his comments on what is required? Are you crazy? Confirm the requirement from other sources; stop drinking the Berg brain rot. Seriously, he is untrustworthy and people often think "X is required" because of him, which was not.

Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY. Folks, just because you want MORE than what is LEGALLY necessary means nothing. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS DONE. The CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EVEN STIPULATE HOW IT IS AFFIRMED. But the legal system HAS. And Obama HAS given it. END OF STORY. STOP THE BRAIN ROT.


sorry, in the eyes of a concerned citizenry, legalisms have no standing in a case where the common law is being danced around...the documents were not official and looked suspiciously doctored

it's a very simple thing which needs to be done...that he refuses should raise flags and sound alarms


No document you see on the internet will be official; but what you saw was a COPY OF AN OFFICIAL LEGAL DOCUMENT. IT IS WHAT HAWAII GIVES OUT. And the Hawaii officials continue to point this out. What you think you deserve is not the same thing as what one needs to prove citizenship; the theories of forgery and lies can be used for any document, including the vault copy of the bc, for people who don't want to believe. If you don't believe Hawaii now, you can't believe it when it says "this is the original" as well.

But the world as a whole is not filled with this brain rot. Obama WON.
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you're dancing around the issue the same way Obama is...what i "believe" is not relevant when it comes down to a simple matter of seeing the proof or not...no court has seen a vault copy birth certificate, and we don't know what hawaii has because no one has seen what they have...once again, lawyer tricks cannot make this issue go away...in fact, it does the opposite...
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Even if a certificate were made public that proves Obama was born in Kenya (which is what Grandma Sarah asserts), all this would prove is that the Hawaii COLB is a fake and that a conspiracy to conceal the truth is in operation. It would NOT prove that Obama was ineligible to be president.

As far as I am concerned, the birth certificate issue is a red herring. What DOES prove he is ineligible is his Indonesian citizenship whilst at school in Indonesia. His stepfather must have given up his son's nationality in order to put him through the school system. This means that Obama must have become a naturalized citizen at some point, although he keeps this secret because it proves that he is ineligible to become president.

What Berg should focus on is not birth certificates (which proves only conspiracy, not whether Obama is a natural born American) but whether Obama gave up his Indonesian citizenship and how Obama can maintain that he is a natural born American when he had to give up this status when he acquired Indonesian nationality.
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One does not need to see a vault copy birth certificate; that's the point. It's not the only means by which one's status is verified. That is again what idiots are not understanding. The means of this evidence has been determined, and Obama followed it. The "show me the birth certificate" crowd is asking for more than necessary, because they doubt his official, legal documentation from the same state the certificate is from. Now, if you don't believe the state now, all the arguments will continue IF IT WERE SHOWN: "oh, someone replaced it beforehand" will become the next cry. Those who are ignorant of the issues are convinced the b.c. means something -- it means nothing. NOTHING. It is just a cipher for some wack jobs and their hate for Obama. Thus, if it is provided, new questions, new "he is hiding something" comes out after. Always. It is a never-ending quest, if people go this route; it is an infinite regress and because of it, it is not legit. What is legit is: HAWAII and its declaration. Live with it. He is official.
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As far as I am concerned, the birth certificate issue is a red herring. What DOES prove he is ineligible is his Indonesian citizenship whilst at school in Indonesia. His stepfather must have given up his son's nationality in order to put him through the school system.
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A STEP FATHER CANNOT DO THAT, you dolt. The US LAWS ARE CLEAR. A PARENT CANNOT REVOKE A CHILD's CITIZENSHIP. What Indnoesia thinks is beside the point in US LAW.

More of the brain rot.

Yes, a child CAN revoke their citizenship. They have to prove 1) they are not being coerced and it 2) has to be done in an official setting with 3) US officials present. This did not happen. Obama is as he always was.. US citizen.
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Now, if you don't believe the state now, all the arguments will continue IF IT WERE SHOWN: "oh, someone replaced it beforehand" will become the next cry.
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that's a cop out of an argument and simply not true...see, that's exactly what he hasn't done, and all he needs to do, is show it...if he's legit, most people will say, "ok!...see, was that so hard?"
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Now, if you don't believe the state now, all the arguments will continue IF IT WERE SHOWN: "oh, someone replaced it beforehand" will become the next cry.



that's a cop out of an argument and simply not true...see, that's exactly what he hasn't done, and all he needs to do, is show it...if he's legit, most people will say, "ok!...see, was that so hard?"
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It's not a cop out argument. It's a cop out argument saying "he has not shown us his proof of citizenship because he didn't show us his b.c." THAT IS THE COP OUT. It is REWRITING US LAW and SHITTING on the US by saying its ways are not good enough. Good day, anti-american asshat.
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Now, if you don't believe the state now, all the arguments will continue IF IT WERE SHOWN: "oh, someone replaced it beforehand" will become the next cry.



that's a cop out of an argument and simply not true...see, that's exactly what he hasn't done, and all he needs to do, is show it...if he's legit, most people will say, "ok!...see, was that so hard?"
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its simple ... open up the records and have document forensic experts hash it out...but to continue to hide and evade is very very suspicious...

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You are still listening to Berg and his comments on what is required? Are you crazy? Confirm the requirement from other sources; stop drinking the Berg brain rot. Seriously, he is untrustworthy and people often think "X is required" because of him, which was not.

Now on the other hand, Obama HAS SUPPLIED WHAT IS LEGALLY NECESSARY. Folks, just because you want MORE than what is LEGALLY necessary means nothing. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS DONE. The CONSTITUTION DOES NOT EVEN STIPULATE HOW IT IS AFFIRMED. But the legal system HAS. And Obama HAS given it. END OF STORY. STOP THE BRAIN ROT.
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[link to newswithviews.com]

On another note, in 1961 the Hawaii birth certificates are black and type written, this is true. In 2001, the Hawaii Department of Health changed formats and now offer a short version and a long version. The short version, if the birth occurred in a Hospital in Hawaii is called a "Certificate of Live Birth" not a Certification of Live Birth (COLB that Obama is using, fake or not) so there are differences in the wording of the document which folks are not aware of, unless they asked. A Certification of Live birth is nothing more than stating, not proving you were born, it does not prove your citizenship status or anything else.

"Now, the Certification of Live Birth is issued for foreign births abroad, which are registered in the Hawaii Department of Health. But there is more: On the bottom left of a Certificate of live birth is the words "recorded"
which is the date the hospital transmitted the information for the production of the birth certificate or the Certificate of Live Birth.

"However, on the bottom left of a Certification of Live Birth, again for births abroad, it states on the bottom left corner "accepted" , as Obama's COLB, fake or not, does. The wording "accepted" means that is the date the Department of Health in Hawaii accepted the registration and the documentation. Dunham could not have registered Obama's birth in Hawaii without the original "vault" version of the foreign birth certificate, nor could she have gotten Obama out of Kenya."
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Now, if you don't believe the state now, all the arguments will continue IF IT WERE SHOWN: "oh, someone replaced it beforehand" will become the next cry.



that's a cop out of an argument and simply not true...see, that's exactly what he hasn't done, and all he needs to do, is show it...if he's legit, most people will say, "ok!...see, was that so hard?"


It's not a cop out argument. It's a cop out argument saying "he has not shown us his proof of citizenship because he didn't show us his b.c." THAT IS THE COP OUT. It is REWRITING US LAW and SHITTING on the US by saying its ways are not good enough. Good day, anti-american asshat.
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nice double speak there at the end...because i want the next president, who will have the nuke launch codes at his fingers, to prove beyond a doubt he hasn't lied to the american people or is some double agent or imposter, I'M anti-american....LOL ...that's some shit
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nice double speak there at the end...because i want the next president, who will have the nuke launch codes at his fingers, to prove beyond a doubt he hasn't lied to the american people or is some double agent or imposter, I'M anti-american....LOL ...that's some shit
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Ah, the burden of proof is always on the accuser. He has shown what the US believes is sufficient evidence. But you want more -- you want proof "beyond a doubt." No one can prove beyond a doubt anything to a skeptic. That's the problem of skepticism.
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Ten to one it says Mombassa.

He has to be a Natural Born citizen to be President. He can't evade the law indefinitely.
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this is what i was thinking with colin powell saying in msm that there will be a 'crisis' jan 20-22 - (coincidentally when the new prez in inaugurated) could this possibly be anticipated???
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Hey AC 543391!

Just wondering where you got your law degree, just in case, you know.....
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However, the issue isn't going away, at least for now, since Souter set a schedule for a response from Obama to the challenge from attorney Philip J. Berg. Dec. 1st.

This is the important point, a US Supreme Court Judge has essentially told Obama that he has to respond ... this is not Berg, this is a Justice of the SCOTUS. Obama refusing to respond would be a bold statement the Obama does not defend the US Consitution.

Stay tuned... Will Obama hold the US Supreme Court in contempt?
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The Supreme Court can interpret the phrase "natural born citizen" as broadly as need be to accommodate the will of the electorate.
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Ten to one it says Mombassa.

He has to be a Natural Born citizen to be President. He can't evade the law indefinitely.


this is what i was thinking with colin powell saying in msm that there will be a 'crisis' jan 20-22 - (coincidentally when the new prez in inaugurated) could this possibly be anticipated???
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That would take it up to the wire.





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