You can see a plane coming from above the first tower and hitting it in this widely viewed video. Somebody obviously doctored the footage in the "smoke and mirrors" video. Why make fake smoke with two burning buildings producing all the smoke for you?
There may be lots of evidence to suggest a conspiracy, just not for this particular theory.
Quoting: rathmussen
Please note that at the end of this video when the "plane" hits the building that no one says anything like "oh my god did you see that plane fly into that building!" but they say that the "building just exploded." This implies that what we are seeing on the TV screen and what the eyewitnesses at the scene are seeing are two different things. I am thinking that they did not see a plane hit the building. Just the explosion????
Anonymous Coward User ID: 410592 11/7/2008 12:31 AM
Re: 911 TV Fakery: Smoke and Mirrors MUST SEE!!!!!!
Personally, I would have been screaming something like "what is that plane doing there?! Oh my God, did it just fly into the building? What just happened? Did you see that plane??"
But no, they are talking about an explosion INSIDE THE BUILDING.
Get it?
Springsongs User ID: 226702 11/7/2008 12:35 AM
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somebody needs to answere if there were no planes, what happend to all the supposedly people who died in them
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410592
FEMA camps.
A video with a local NYC broadcast showed the explosions, but no planes could be seen flying into the buildings. The news guy with the bird's eye view during his broadcast said it was an explosion.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 410592 11/7/2008 12:59 AM
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Once again, I am not 100% sure about this. But it is better to be aware of what some people believe is happening rather than be possibly taken by surprise.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 545317 11/7/2008 1:49 AM
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fema camps? where...if they were in this country they would have been found out by now... i just can't buy that
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410592
Really ? Found out, how ? To suggest FEMA camps is sort of a joke, but not really. They could be anywhere on this planet, if they are alive. FEMA camps, I hear Alaska is nice this time of year. Or maybe in a DUMB. Hell, they could be right under Alexandria in the government tunnels.
Enrico Spanalli User ID: 413049 11/7/2008 2:25 AM
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The media was hiding Obama who piloting a UFO, who then shot a plasma energy beam into the tower to destroy it. Why can't this be the next conspiracy theory since it is crazy enough for these people to believe possible.
The long shots showed the smoke billowing down in the wind from the burning building. I saw no other fireball but the one when the planes impacted the tower, which was expected according to the angle and altitude of the plane's trajectories and velocity. People were there and saw the planes with their eyes, heard it with their ears. They watched in horror as the fireballs erupted and the debris of the impacts came raining down. There were even people in the building who saw the planes approaching. There is more than one (this) video of the twin tower impacts. Are you going to call those other videos and the witnesses who watched it happen fakery, too? Are you going to dismiss all of that evidence and eyewitness testimony as fakery? Whoever made this video is letting their imagination run wild and needs to find a different hobby. Perhaps writing science fiction would suit them better.
RememberThis We wont get fooled again User ID: 545218 11/7/2008 4:56 AM
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this last 9/11 on the history channel, they had a shitload of programing in commemoration i guess you could say of that day. the program im specifically talking about showed SEVERAL different people THAT HAD CAMERAS and showed what they went through during the faithful events of that day. this program showed the footage of the guy that was filming the NYFD that someone mentioned as well as the film some lady shot that was across from the towers in a building that someone also previously mentioned. they also showed some guy that was at times square getting reaction shots of people watching the drama unfold on TV. there were a few other peoples stories they showed but they escape me now. this documentary im talking about even discussed the people that jumped out of the building.
i agree that the government is nothing but shills and pieces of shit but they havent stolen all the footage like everyone claims... they broadcast it 2 months ago.
i do believe 9/11 was an inside job but this youtube shit i just watched is nothing but bullshit.
i know that 9/11 happened in 01 but what im talking about was seen with my own eyes just shy of 2 months ago from today.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 545403 11/7/2008 6:09 AM
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this last 9/11 on the history channel, they had a shitload of programing in commemoration i guess you could say of that day. the program im specifically talking about showed SEVERAL different people THAT HAD CAMERAS and showed what they went through during the faithful events of that day. this program showed the footage of the guy that was filming the NYFD that someone mentioned as well as the film some lady shot that was across from the towers in a building that someone also previously mentioned. they also showed some guy that was at times square getting reaction shots of people watching the drama unfold on TV. there were a few other peoples stories they showed but they escape me now. this documentary im talking about even discussed the people that jumped out of the building.
i agree that the government is nothing but shills and pieces of shit but they havent stolen all the footage like everyone claims... they broadcast it 2 months ago.
i do believe 9/11 was an inside job but this youtube shit i just watched is nothing but bullshit.
i know that 9/11 happened in 01 but what im talking about was seen with my own eyes just shy of 2 months ago from today.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 545329
...and before anyone raises the on me, here is a link to the program that i was talking about:
I believe in some conspiracy theories but not this one. I do believe the goverment of the USA had a part in this attack and used it to its own benefit but there where planes. And its a shame people putting so much effort in it to make us believe there werent any planes. Its better to put that enerhy in finding evidence the goverment had something to do with it.
Realist User ID: 535972 11/7/2008 7:52 AM
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of course the US government killed a few thousand of its own citizens on 911. Why wouldn't they?
You 'Merkins are hamstrung by your political naivety.
You folks have no understanding that the State is not a 'person' - and therefore doesnt operate by any rules of decency or ethics. It never has, historically speaking.
If its useful for the State to kill a tiny handful of citizens, in order to make billions and trillions of dollars from newly needed armaments, as well as to impose control over energy producing regions globally, then thats what's going to happen.
*shrug*
Its a no-brainer.
But again, as I said, Americans are hobbled by their inability to understand real politics.
its a plain shame User ID: 545490 11/7/2008 8:39 AM
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The point I was making when I posted my "WHERE ARE ALL THE PHOTOS?" post back on page one is....
The media has only shown us a carefully selected handful of video and still shots of the second plane.
There should be THOUSANDS of amateur photos posted on blogs, photos that did not have to past through a media filter first.
WHERE ARE THEY?!
Okay, let alone amateur video and stills.
There are DOZENS of national and local news outlets in New York City.
They should have had HUNDREDS of cameras and videocameras trained on that first building that was hit.
A plane flying THAT LOW is very loud. You would think some of these cameramen would have heard it and swung around to catch the second plane.
Instead, EVERY TV channel in the New York area was showing the EXACT SAME CAMERA ANGLE after the first tower was hit!!!
I know, I was watching and flipping the channels around.
Huh?
I thought all these news stations were "INDEPENDENT."
WHO TOLD THEM THEY ALL HAD TO BROADCAST THE EXACT SAME CAMERA ANGLE FROM ONE CENTRAL CAMERA - MANNED BY WHOM?!?!
Cost of getting a handful of psycho retards to fly a real plane into a building...cost of tickets plus a few bucks...maybe 10 grand?...Say a few mil, have some money to play with. Now how much do you think it would cost to make holo planes with tech beyond what we know, because you need them, people saw it, do all the spook network junk, wire the buildings to explode with a massive FA explosion which takes thousands of cubic feet of fuel, have all involved keep quiet, do it all clandestinely for those who could possibly see it and wouldn't keep quiet, then do the whole thing with flawless timing....and then have space beams or whatever finish the job...vs a few bucks and the guys who did it are dead and if they get investigated who cares, they did it.....makes total sense. And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously and truthers have become a joke. Go investigate the ISI, Mahmoud Ahmad and your new Vice president if you want to do something other than whack off in fantasy land with the beamers and invisible planers, otherwise enjoy your yout00b science.
Quoting: SHR
I suggest you take a look at what John Lear and other experts at flying airplanes (such as myself - with over 20 years as an Airline Captain and Check Airman) say about 911 and the fact that it is impossible for things to have happened the way we were told it happened. Physics of flight and operational limitations will not allow it. Period. End of Debate.
What happened and how it was done? I don't know and - frankly - I don't care. The fact is that we were lied to about it to start a war. Just like we were lied to in order to start every single war that the USA has been involved in throughout history. It is called manipulation and the people of the world are so dumbed-down that they will never see it.
Better buy some good protection and supplies because now that the idiots in this country are losing their jobs they will start getting desperate...CD
Anonymous Coward User ID: 542783 11/7/2008 10:21 AM
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Looks like a hologram just like CNNs fake news. This election was a sham. Just like everything else in this world, but the truth is coming out because ethics are in and lies are out, you will see alot of heads rolling soon. Bush and Cheney and many more are going to Prison for the rest of their lives.
Cost of getting a handful of psycho retards to fly a real plane into a building...cost of tickets plus a few bucks...maybe 10 grand?...Say a few mil, have some money to play with. Now how much do you think it would cost to make holo planes with tech beyond what we know, because you need them, people saw it, do all the spook network junk, wire the buildings to explode with a massive FA explosion which takes thousands of cubic feet of fuel, have all involved keep quiet, do it all clandestinely for those who could possibly see it and wouldn't keep quiet, then do the whole thing with flawless timing....and then have space beams or whatever finish the job...vs a few bucks and the guys who did it are dead and if they get investigated who cares, they did it.....makes total sense. And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously and truthers have become a joke. Go investigate the ISI, Mahmoud Ahmad and your new Vice president if you want to do something other than whack off in fantasy land with the beamers and invisible planers, otherwise enjoy your yout00b science.
there still should be HUNDREDS, even THOUSANDS, of CELL PHONE PICTURES, DIGITAL PICTURES and stills from VIDEO CAMS of the second plane approaching and hitting -
WHERE ARE THEY?!?!?!
You mean to tell me with hundreds/thousands of people watching from across the water in New Jersey, with cameras and video cams trained on the towers, that there is NOT ONE AMATEUR PHOTO of the plane approaching and hitting?!?!?!
Look around on blogs - photographers have posted HUNDREDS of photos of the AFTERMATH -- the smoke, the towers crumbling, the people running all covered in ash, crushed cars, blown-out windows on buildings.... BUT NOT ONE FRIGGIN' PICTURE OF THAT PLANE APPROACHING!!!!
GEE.... Think maybe there really WASN'T A PLANE?!?!?
In 2001. I dont even remember phones having cameras or much less video. If they did there wasnt many and it was really new technology so really expensive. I remember getting my first phone in 2001 and it was the old nokia that was huge with the antenna.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78392
But there were still tourists from around the world embarking and debarking on harbor cruises to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island. The first cruise is at 8:00 am, I believe. And every single person standing in line has a CAMERA!!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 447446 11/7/2008 11:13 AM
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Being an ex-employee of one of the big airlines...I can tell you that very strange things were going on prior to and well after the event.
One interesting piece is that almost a year and a half later, I was at the airport around 10:00 pm when it was relatively empty and somewhat quiet. There was an unscheduled plane taxi'g into a gate that was never announced. I asked someone what was going on and who was meeting it.
They said that there was no one on it, but they were bringing back one of the pilots remains on it.
A year and a half later? I didn't even know there were remains.
if anyone is interested, I've got tons more of info....
You can see a plane coming from above the first tower and hitting it in this widely viewed video. Somebody obviously doctored the footage in the "smoke and mirrors" video. Why make fake smoke with two burning buildings producing all the smoke for you?
There may be lots of evidence to suggest a conspiracy, just not for this particular theory.
Please note that at the end of this video when the "plane" hits the building that no one says anything like "oh my god did you see that plane fly into that building!" but they say that the "building just exploded." This implies that what we are seeing on the TV screen and what the eyewitnesses at the scene are seeing are two different things. I am thinking that they did not see a plane hit the building. Just the explosion????
Quoting: Springsongs 226702
The average person doesn't look up at the sky in a big city unless they are a tourist. In the split second it took for the plane to hit the building, what most people noticed when the first plane hit was the sound and sight of the explosion.
Maybe it wasn't an airliner full of people, but it was a plane. Maybe the planes weren't enough to bring the towers down without the help of secondary explosions, but 2 planes flew into the building. It's just plain rude to all the people who witnessed this horrible event to insist there were no planes.
The alternative you are suggesting is far to elaborate, expensive and impossible, as previous posters have suggested.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 545403 11/7/2008 12:21 PM
Re: 911 TV Fakery: Smoke and Mirrors MUST SEE!!!!!!
Being an ex-employee of one of the big airlines...I can tell you that very strange things were going on prior to and well after the event.
One interesting piece is that almost a year and a half later, I was at the airport around 10:00 pm when it was relatively empty and somewhat quiet. There was an unscheduled plane taxi'g into a gate that was never announced. I asked someone what was going on and who was meeting it.
They said that there was no one on it, but they were bringing back one of the pilots remains on it.
A year and a half later? I didn't even know there were remains.
if anyone is interested, I've got tons more of info....
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