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HOLY CRAP - Obama Is Indeed a 32nd Degree Prince Hall Mason (Proof)

 
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Oh and speaking of George Washington, I'm also curious on your perspective of this excerpt from a letter he wrote:

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

From a letter to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798, Mount Vernon, in The Writings of George Washington, vol. 20, p. 518
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Hey A Mason, I'd also like you to explain these images to me since you are so knowledgeable on the subject.

I'm curious why the inverted pentegram keeps reoccuring even though its connotations are linked directly to luciferianism
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I'm not here to "explain images to you", but I'd suggest starting here: [link to en.wikipedia.org] . Pay particular attention in the entry to where it explains how the pentagram has been used across all geographic and cultural lines throughout history as (among other things) a symbol of the 5 wounds of Christ, a symbol of mathematical perfection by the ancient Pythagoreans, and the official seal of the city of Jerusalem. And to wit: "Most Christians, probably due to their misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians, came to associate it with Satanism and subsequently rejected the symbol sometime in the twentieth century." (source: [link to symboldictionary.net] )


This one ( [link to www.bilderberg.org] ) is flat-out LAUGHABLE. First, because there is no such thing as "the 18th degree of Freemasonry". As I've already explained, and as any lodge in the US or Britain can verify, there are only 3 Degrees in Freemasonry. And second, having passed through the 18th Degree of _The_Scottish_Rite_, I can tell you that Baphomet didn't make an appearance. It's just as well; there probably wasn't enough fruit punch for him too. That illustration was, I've no doubt, the product of fancy on the part of an artist for a mid-19th century anti-Masonic tabloid. The text at the top is clearly a recent addition.

"Luciferianism"?! You might as well talk about "Santaclausianism". I understand that some children believe in and worship him too.
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Tell me what you are here for, please.

And btw thank you for your responses to me, I don't agree with your stance, but you are surprisingly reasonable and cool headed, its slightly threatening and seems like part of the act, you were a little disrespectful, but so was I, all in all this is amazing conversation, thank you.

I've never gotten the chance to confront a Mason directly, you guys are pretty good, but your word play techniques are a little old, but I guess if it ain't broken, don't fix it. The majority of people just fold to the use of power wording that makes them feel subconsciously defeated and incorrect...

I still would enjoy your response to the Washington letter.
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...My position is one of a hopeful future, not of the current individualistic, every man for himself mentality. Hopefully when the previous generation dies out the mess of their social bad habits will go with them.
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That's consistent with Freemasonic ideals -- to overcome the "every man for himself mentality" and help provide for others. That has ALWAYS been a leading tenet of Freemasonry. On the other hand, almost every demographic marker suggests that, contrary to the previous generations having "social bad habits", they were actually more virtuous than each subsequent generation. Look at philanthropy, volunteerism and public service: every year, the average individual contributions in these fields has gone DOWN. Frankly, for claiming to be optimistic about the future of society, I think you're likely to be disappointed.

So you think that's all fine!? You Masons are really warped, I thought you were all about the betterment of communities? Not passivises that make up excuses for the unfair status quo. What supply is dwindling because of separating privileged, credit-worthy members from normal folk from your meetings? There is PLENTY to share, but the top 5% would rather keep the majority for themselves and their close-buddies who boast their ego, you can be fine with that, I think it is disgusting. Democracy would flourish in a situation where healthcare is free, where citizens are eased in knowing their government/tax dollars are there to at least help them at first, which is what the current administration is attempting to start taking steps towards. Well about fucking time, we've been outdone by Cuba in this department for quite some time, that country that you talked about like it was a lesser land of people with nothing. Donate some of your Billions to them asshole. So this is the "most successful" country in the world right? Yet its citizens are treated like detriments to society that need to pay every penny for uncontrolled sickness unless they pay fees to a corporation that profits from illnesses, oh what a sick system. In Cuba I can save both my fingers if they get cut off if I don't have the cash for the other. Your position is part of what keeps humanity locked in fiscal slavery, needing to pay for even their own health. I can't wait to get out of here when I'm old enough and have enough money, then I don't have to worry about a terrorist attack that would be taken advantage of to fully apply the patriot act and induce martial law. I can't help where I'm born.
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Congratulations for managing to mischaracterize so much in so few words! And extra bonus points for the ad hominemery. You're conveniently forgetting that there is a huge percentage of the US populous who believes that they deserve something for nothing. They are dragging everyone down. We've produced a generation of spoiled brats who have no idea what it's like to actually have to struggle for their survival. For those who actually ARE having to struggle for their survival (not just struggling to pay their $100 a month cell phone bill or buy a new iPhone), Freemasons have -- as I've already pointed out -- donated more money and help than any other organization in this country. As just one example: there are 22 Shrine hospitals in North America that provide desperately needed health care to over 125,000 children. AT ZERO COST TO THEM. Working class Masons like myself, underwrite all of this. What do we get out of it? The satisfaction of helping those who need it. And endless grief and nonsense from people like you.

Your blather about Cuba is cute, in that tired old college-freshman-who-just-discovered-Marx sort of way, but it's something you _will_ eventually grow out of. In exchange for Cuba supposedly being able to save your two severed fingers, you get to pay in this fun way:

Your media will be censored by the State.

You cannot access the internet, which the State has declared "the great disease of the 21st century".

You can vote for any candidate, so long as they belong to the one political party that there is.

You cannot leave Cuba without written permission from the State, which is seldom granted.

You cannot demonstrate in public, nor can you criticize the State.

You cannot change jobs without permission from the State.

Your average monthly income will be about $17.

But at least you'll get to keep your fingers! That's a good thing, because instead of sitting in your cubicle and surfing the internet for a living, you'll be working in a canning factory until you're 70, at which point your pension will be reduced $9 a month. Yay -- Cuba leads the way!

On the topic of the criminal system, the people whom are arrested are in the most need of emotional attention, but humanity just locks the problems up with one another, letting them stew. Their environment cultivates them to do the horrors that some of these people are capable of, but we lock them away and forget, this is not justice, this is avoidance.
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Oh, absolutely. People who commit crimes are the TRUE victims. "I blame society! Society made me what I am!" ("Duke" in "Repo Man") Oh, and "Free Mumia!"

Well you boys are very sneaky and masters at covering your tracks, I remember reading an article about a successful family whom the father was a mason, the entire family was shot, and a message with a masonic associated quote was faxed to his business AFTER he had been pronounced dead, the message explaining his murdering of his family was reaction to unexpected financial issues.
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Ooh -- You remember reading an article! Proof positive! By the way -- the "Weekly World News" called; they want to know where to send your free subscription.

And that horrific ceremony is just a symbolic ritual anyway, and you're apparently fine with those.
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And you know it's "horrific"...how? Because you've seen it firsthand? Hardly. You've read undocumented allegations on conspiracy sites, created from their author's imaginations; nothing more.

No Masonic ritual depicts anything more "horrific" than what is routinely depicted in any Christian church.

(re: the "Cremation of care") So the body on the stretcher and the fake screams of the person's death are just for fun.
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There IS no "body on the stretcher"; there's an effigy on a bier. There ARE no "screams of the person's death", there's an actor impersonating the sound of the personification of Care being sacrificed. Walter Cronkhite does the voice-over for the ceremony, for chrissakes! As if this is the only such play that involves themes like this! If you're already hunting for spooks, you'll find them everywhere. Nearly all of them are fakes, but apparently you have yet to develop the skills to differentiate the real from the fake.

You call yourself out for being related to attendees of a secret gathering, which is illegal because politicians meet without accountability in the grove, you're just digging yourself into a deeper hole dude!
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Proof that you know even less about politics than previously suggested. Perhaps you can provide us with the actual "law" that politicians are supposedly breaking by meeting in private. Really: I'd like to see it. The fact is that politicians USUALLY meet in private. Apparently, this is news to you. Do you really think that when there's a summit at Camp David, reporters are sitting in the room?

Then why is there a Masonic Bible? You are operating on biased information, I am operating on truth seeking...All I'm reading from you are excuses and biased information.
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There IS NO "Masonic Bible". There is a standard King James Bible that also contains some information in the front or back of the book about the history of Freemasonry as it supposedly relates to the stories in the Bible (e.g., the construction of Solomon's Temple).

"Truth-seeking"? Hardly! You're a tinfoil hat-wearer, willing to accept any claim about an organization you're determined to vilify, without requiring one shred of evidence. Where's your "evidence" about ANY of the claims you've made? From primary sources? From personal experience? From eyewitnesses? From unbiased observers? Nope. From conspiracy theory sites written by anonymous people who themselves have no firsthand experience or primary sources. One big circle-jerk of suspicion.

First, you are going out of your way to ignore the robes and the general peculiarity of the circumstance.
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O noez! Robes! General peculiarity!

Do you realize how absurd you sound? Masonic robes are no more sinister than those worn by Catholic or C. of E. clergy, or revelers at the Carnivale in Venice, or on any Hallowe'en night. You want to see creepy-looking outfits?

[link to blogs.sun-sentinel.com]

You have yet to sway me on a single subject...
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Clearly, because you've proven yourself to be unswayable; as dogmatic as any Scientologist, determined to see Suppressive Persons behind every innocent face. You choose to vilify Freemasonry despite the fact that it (1) venerates god with every ritual, (2) that it promotes freedom of thought and action (and was largely responsible for creating democracy as we know it), (3) that it is the closest thing on earth to a "brotherhood of man", uniting people across all artificial boundaries, (4) that it was highly regarded by some of the greatest men of the past 4 centuries, and (5) that it donates over a billion dollars a year to the needy (rather difficult to reconcile that to your image of it being greedy and diabolical).

No, because it's "secret" and because that has caused people like you to build up layer upon layer of nonsense over the years (read about the "Taxil Hoax" for a perfect example), you are determined to believe the bad, rather than the good. Well, I have better things to do with my time than keep banging against your closed mind. I posted here because I was surprised to see so many people unquestioniningly subscribing to idiotic claims like "Barack Obama has been confirmed to be a 32nd Degree Prince Hall Mason". Curiously, even though that's been completely disproved here, you're silent on that point, although I suspect that some of the more open-minded readers here might have recognized that these claims are bunk and that others were foolish for having claimed them.

Enjoy your little conspiracy-wank. I won't be back to read your response.
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Obama is too fucking stupid to be a mason.
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Tell me what you are here for, please.

And btw thank you for your responses to me, I don't agree with your stance, but you are surprisingly reasonable and cool headed, its slightly threatening and seems like part of the act, you were a little disrespectful, but so was I, all in all this is amazing conversation, thank you.

I've never gotten the chance to confront a Mason directly, you guys are pretty good, but your word play techniques are a little old, but I guess if it ain't broken, don't fix it. The majority of people just fold to the use of power wording that makes them feel subconsciously defeated and incorrect...

I still would enjoy your response to the Washington letter.
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Well now, THAT is a different tack! I'm sorry I didn't see it before I finished replying to your previous post.

OK, disregard the snide comments I made in my most recent post. If you're _genuinely_ willing to try to understand what Freemasonry is about, I'll try to answer questions. But you have to understand that I can't tell you whatever you want to know, but I can try to help correct a lot of the misconceptions about Freemasonry.
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Thank God!!! A freemason has more respect for everyone who believes in a "Supreme Being".
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Idiot.
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Tell me what you are here for, please.
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Initially, I came here to point out that the supposed "proof" of Obama being a "32nd Degree Prince Hall Mason" was bunk. After that, things snowballed.

I still would enjoy your response to the Washington letter.
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The book Washington refers to is almost certainly "Proofs of a Conspiracy" by John Robinson, a Scottish Freemason who claimed that Adam Weishaupt approached him to join his "Illuminati".

Two important questions: how accurate was Robinson's book and how credible its claims? And how much of a threat did the Illuminati ever pose to any religion or government?

Weishaupt was an odd man. Immensely intelligent, but his reach was far greater than his grasp. He wanted to change the world into his own image of what it should be like, but he lacked the means, despite thinking that Freemasonry would furnish them. His group never had more than a couple of thousand members, and its influence, beyond certain intellectual circles, was negligible.

In his two letters to Snyder, Washington states that he believes that the ideas of the Illuminati and of "Jacobinism" (radical/revolutionary idealogues) were present in individuals in the US, both within and without Freemasonry. However, he emphasizes that he believed that the institution itself seemed to be free of such tendencies. Indeed, Freemasonry has proven to be more conservative (in the apolitical sense) than the US Government itself, and would naturally have resisted "Jacobinism" of its own accord.

Interesting documents, those letters.
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I still would enjoy your response to the Washington letter.
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By the way, there's another author named John Robinson -- a 20th century historian who specialized in Medieval history. Through his research, he found evidence that the Freemasons were direct descendants of the Knights Templar. His book, "Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry" led to a second, "Dungeon, Fire and Sword: The Knights Templar in the Crusades". Eventually, Robinson himself became a Mason, and wrote his final book, "A Pilgrim's Path: Freemasonry and the Religious Right".

I'm not a Medieval scholar so I can't vouch for his theses, but they were critically well-received, they're very interesting reads and they outline a lot of the history of Freemasonry. I recommend them. They're probably available at your local library. Amazon has useful reviews of all 3 books.
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Did this make you as mad as it does me? Remember, high-level Masons belong to secret societies... they're secretly talking about how to make our lives miserable.
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sounds like you are a fear mongering moron.

Maybe just MAYBE they are secretly trying to make our world better?

You best shut your trap and do some real research on active Freemasons of the past 200 years or so. Might open your pea brain just a bit.
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Dear Brainwashed mason,

Your org is pyramid based. Those at the bottom know nothing and are lied to about the true nature of the organization. The higher you go in the org, the more you know. Compartmentalization is how all secret societies are structured.

At the top, freemasonry is evil. It seeks to create a New World Order and One World Religion that worships Lucifer or Satan. Hear me now and believe me later.
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Did this make you as mad as it does me? Remember, high-level Masons belong to secret societies... they're secretly talking about how to make our lives miserable.
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sounds like you are a fear mongering moron.

Maybe just MAYBE they are secretly trying to make our world better?

You best shut your trap and do some real research on active Freemasons of the past 200 years or so. Might open your pea brain just a bit.


Dear Brainwashed mason,

Your org is pyramid based. Those at the bottom know nothing and are lied to about the true nature of the organization. The higher you go in the org, the more you know. Compartmentalization is how all secret societies are structured.

At the top, freemasonry is evil. It seeks to create a New World Order and One World Religion that worships Lucifer or Satan. Hear me now and believe me later.
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+1
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Anyone who has viewed Alex Jones' film "Dark Secrets" would have heard the black actor and singer from the 20s and 30s' Paul Robson, singing the friggen theme song of the illuminate deviates inside the GROVE! Paul Robson sent his friend and "comrade" Paul Marshall Davis the black writer to Hawaii in 1947 from Chicago. Later Paul Marshall Davis became "mentor" to a young Barak Obama from the ages of 6 to 16. You figure it out.
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At the top, freemasonry is evil. It seeks to create a New World Order and One World Religion that worships Lucifer or Satan. Hear me now and believe me later.
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Bloody hell. We're back to THIS nonsense again?!

That's it. I'm through with you.
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Oh and speaking of George Washington, I'm also curious on your perspective of this excerpt from a letter he wrote:

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am..

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation).

That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

From a letter to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798, Mount Vernon, in The Writings of George Washington, vol. 20, p. 518
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So he says that groups have used all socities and governments for an aim that is contrary to the good of the many is self evident as the prima ingreadent in all of them is man.

So now we are really just getting to this being accepted on a lunatic fringe site one can see how we are in this ass backwards world.

The principles of masonry are indisputable by all but architects (that is a construction site joke) Build it plumb line and square and you got something. That is the end of the sole purpose of masonry to build a temple to god in the hearts of man. If you think that is a bad thing then that is fine with me. Until the likes of those that want to constrain the world to only believe and act like them takes us all over the craft is no better or worse then most.

Join it, leave it, STFU no one is forcing you to..

btw how about all that stuff in GA.
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At the top, freemasonry is evil. It seeks to create a New World Order and One World Religion that worships Lucifer or Satan. Hear me now and believe me later.


Bloody hell. We're back to THIS nonsense again?!

That's it. I'm through with you.
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Don't let the door hit you too hard on the way out. The red pill is not for everyone.
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Speaking of secrets, real people from all around the world are chatting live about these secret societies. You might be interested in rubbing elbows with us right now, right here:

[link to www.truthin7minutes.com]

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No fucking way am I joining YOUR 'secret society!!!

ahhhahhhahhh
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[link to www.youtube.com]
Here are a lot of freemasons in it... and shocking european parlament symbols.
About Obama, I'm very convinced he is a Freemason (there are also black freemason societies and for example, in the Philippines there are freemasons, everywhere. Sadam Hussein was a 33 degree. Colour, being right- or left-winged or religion is no problem if the only thing you want is power)


See also these video's. Very very interesting. Bill Schnoebelen.
[link to www.youtube.com]


...and this one of Leo Zagami:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Oh and speaking of George Washington, I'm also curious on your perspective of this excerpt from a letter he wrote:

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am..

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation).

That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

From a letter to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798, Mount Vernon, in The Writings of George Washington, vol. 20, p. 518

So he says that groups have used all socities and governments for an aim that is contrary to the good of the many is self evident as the prima ingreadent in all of them is man.

So now we are really just getting to this being accepted on a lunatic fringe site one can see how we are in this ass backwards world.

The principles of masonry are indisputable by all but architects (that is a construction site joke) Build it plumb line and square and you got something. That is the end of the sole purpose of masonry to build a temple to god in the hearts of man. If you think that is a bad thing then that is fine with me. Until the likes of those that want to constrain the world to only believe and act like them takes us all over the craft is no better or worse then most.

Join it, leave it, STFU no one is forcing you to..

btw how about all that stuff in GA.
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ohyeah Well said.
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It's true. Obama is a Prince Hall Freemason. Just another Masonic President to add onto the list.

The Freemasons are controlled by the Bavarian Illuminati, which was started (and still is, of course) as a Jesuit front group.

Rome rules the world today and Obama is just another subservient Freemason.

www.truthin7minutes.com

^The only place for real truth without agenda and spin.
Eric Jon Phelps, author of 'Vatican Assassins', stated that the rites for the highest grades (33rd and 34th) of Scottish Freemasonry (the most powerful variant) were written around 1775 by King Frederick the Great of Prussia together with the General of the Jesuits. Since than Freemasonry is controlled by the Roman Church.
The Roman Church also controls "the City" or "the Crown", the independent state in London that owns the United States (See Appendix I in David dIcke's 'Tales from the Time Loop').


Eric Phelps is smoking crack, there is no 34th degree of freemasonry and the Scottish Rite degrees came from France, not Prussia.
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wow you are are one screwed up freek!! as a master mason i can tell you i came from a humble backround and upbringing with no connection to any elite or dark forces!! and all that crap about prussia and states in england is just mental!! were you sleeping in history class, or wait dont tell me its all just a big lie for your benifit, get a fucking grip man.
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Oh and speaking of George Washington, I'm also curious on your perspective of this excerpt from a letter he wrote:

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am..

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation).

That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

From a letter to George Washington Snyder, October 24, 1798, Mount Vernon, in The Writings of George Washington, vol. 20, p. 518

So he says that groups have used all socities and governments for an aim that is contrary to the good of the many is self evident as the prima ingreadent in all of them is man.

well said br. frat greetings from scotland,275
So now we are really just getting to this being accepted on a lunatic fringe site one can see how we are in this ass backwards world.

The principles of masonry are indisputable by all but architects (that is a construction site joke) Build it plumb line and square and you got something. That is the end of the sole purpose of masonry to build a temple to god in the hearts of man. If you think that is a bad thing then that is fine with me. Until the likes of those that want to constrain the world to only believe and act like them takes us all over the craft is no better or worse then most.

Join it, leave it, STFU no one is forcing you to..

btw how about all that stuff in GA.

ohyeah Well said.
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Did this make you as mad as it does me? Remember, high-level Masons belong to secret societies... they're secretly talking about how to make our lives miserable.
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sounds like you are a fear mongering moron.

Maybe just MAYBE they are secretly trying to make our world better?

You best shut your trap and do some real research on active Freemasons of the past 200 years or so. Might open your pea brain just a bit.


Dear Brainwashed mason,

Your org is pyramid based. Those at the bottom know nothing and are lied to about the true nature of the organization. The higher you go in the org, the more you know. Compartmentalization is how all secret societies are structured.

At the top, freemasonry is evil. It seeks to create a New World Order and One World Religion that worships Lucifer or Satan. Hear me now and believe me later. 5ajust one small question pea brain, if an active free mason such as my self is blissfully unaware of the evil plotting going on at high levels? how the f*** do you know you paranoid freak? instead of looking for other people to blame for your miserable existence, why not try having a look in the mirror before critisizing something you know nothing about?
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Personally, I think that it's about time that we had a Masonic president again. After eight LONG years of "President" Short Bus, it's nice to have someone with intelligence again. Dubya could never become one, we have a rule about fools becoming members. BTW I had President Obama's membership in the Craft confirmed for me last year by a Prince Hall Grand Master. Yes, we do have both F&AM and PHA here in Nevada, but the current master of Vegas Lodge #32 F&AM is black. You can't belong to both, and I've met a white brother, who hails from a PHA lodge. You just join where your friends are. Most of the states recognize PHA Grand Lodges, and we're free to visit each other at any time. I had a very nice time visiting a PHA lodge last year when they had their table lodge. The Masons are the best thing that ever happened to America!
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I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THE ONE WHO POSTED THIS COMMENT ABOVE. YOU MUST NOT BE A F&AM BROTHER. BECAUSE YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT PHA IS F&AM AND F&AM IS 0NE IN THE SAME.... PLEASE STOP POSTING IF YOU ARE A PRETENDER
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UUmmmm.... there is no 34th degree scottish rite just so you know.... but there is a 33rd....

It's true. Obama is a Prince Hall Freemason. Just another Masonic President to add onto the list.

The Freemasons are controlled by the Bavarian Illuminati, which was started (and still is, of course) as a Jesuit front group.

Rome rules the world today and Obama is just another subservient Freemason.

www.truthin7minutes.com

^The only place for real truth without agenda and spin.
Eric Jon Phelps, author of 'Vatican Assassins', stated that the rites for the highest grades (33rd and 34th) of Scottish Freemasonry (the most powerful variant) were written around 1775 by King Frederick the Great of Prussia together with the General of the Jesuits. Since than Freemasonry is controlled by the Roman Church.
The Roman Church also controls "the City" or "the Crown", the independent state in London that owns the United States (See Appendix I in David dIcke's 'Tales from the Time Loop').
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What are you afraid of? Maybe your own shadow also? The masons are not out to suppress the world, they are about helping others in the community, doing charity work... ever heard of the shriners, or or the shriners non profit hospitals to help ill children? Oh there part of the masons also.... and for the quote below.... the scottish rite stops at the 33rd degree... there is no 34th. Just so you know.
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What are you afraid of? Maybe your own shadow also? The masons are not out to suppress the world, they are about helping others in the community, doing charity work... ever heard of the shriners, or or the shriners non profit hospitals to help ill children? Oh there part of the masons also.... and for the quote below.... the scottish rite stops at the 33rd degree... there is no 34th. Just so you know.
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I find it more interesting that his wife's first cousin is a rabbi.
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Oh yeah!!! Well I'm a 69th level Fighter/Magic User with a +5 vorpal sub-machinegun and boots of whaffel-stomping...

I pretty much moved beyond the "secret handshakes" and "Countesigns" mentality right around the same time I left Cub Scouts.

Of course, I belong to a super-secret organization of World Wide Freedom Fighters, that have existed in the shadows since 2012 BC, and think 32nd Degree Prince Hall Masons are a bunch of inbred egomaniacs with severe mental and howdy doody problems...
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I would be proud if Barack Obama were a mason, because despite the crackpots on this board most understand and know its a respectable organization and has no relation to the illuminati crap.

However, the FACT is that he is not. He was speaking at a Masonic Center - THESE BUILDINGS ARE RENTED OUT TO WHOEVER WILL PAY THE FEE FOR ANY EVENT - this includes weddings, meetings, and things like this.

Barack Obama is not a mason, and not a scottish rite mason. Stop spreading this BS.


bsflag bsflag
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u r just scared. now u r kissing but
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I would be proud if Barack Obama were a mason, because despite the crackpots on this board most understand and know its a respectable organization and has no relation to the illuminati crap.

However, the FACT is that he is not. He was speaking at a Masonic Center - THESE BUILDINGS ARE RENTED OUT TO WHOEVER WILL PAY THE FEE FOR ANY EVENT - this includes weddings, meetings, and things like this.

Barack Obama is not a mason, and not a scottish rite mason. Stop spreading this BS.


bsflag bsflag

u r just scared. now u r kissing but
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Afraid of what? my shadow like you? your theories are bogus.... read something else beside conspiracy theories on line.... try learning the truth.
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Oh yeah!!! Well I'm a 69th level Fighter/Magic User with a +5 vorpal sub-machinegun and boots of whaffel-stomping...

I pretty much moved beyond the "secret handshakes" and "Countesigns" mentality right around the same time I left Cub Scouts.

Of course, I belong to a super-secret organization of World Wide Freedom Fighters, that have existed in the shadows since 2012 BC, and think 32nd Degree Prince Hall Masons are a bunch of inbred egomaniacs with severe mental and howdy doody problems...
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than you don't know anything about us...and you are ignorant

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