HOLY CRAP - Obama Is Indeed a 32nd Degree Prince Hall Mason (Proof)

I'm not here to "explain images to you", but I'd suggest starting here: [link to en.wikipedia.org] . Pay particular attention in the entry to where it explains how the pentagram has been used across all geographic and cultural lines throughout history as (among other things) a symbol of the 5 wounds of Christ, a symbol of mathematical perfection by the ancient Pythagoreans, and the official seal of the city of Jerusalem. And to wit: "Most Christians, probably due to their misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians, came to associate it with Satanism and subsequently rejected the symbol sometime in the twentieth century." (source: [link to symboldictionary.net] )


This one ( [link to www.bilderberg.org] ) is flat-out LAUGHABLE. First, because there is no such thing as "the 18th degree of Freemasonry". As I've already explained, and as any lodge in the US or Britain can verify, there are only 3 Degrees in Freemasonry. And second, having passed through the 18th Degree of _The_Scottish_Rite_, I can tell you that Baphomet didn't make an appearance. It's just as well; there probably wasn't enough fruit punch for him too. That illustration was, I've no doubt, the product of fancy on the part of an artist for a mid-19th century anti-Masonic tabloid. The text at the top is clearly a recent addition.

"Luciferianism"?! You might as well talk about "Santaclausianism". I understand that some children believe in and worship him too.

Tell me what you are here for, please.

And btw thank you for your responses to me, I don't agree with your stance, but you are surprisingly reasonable and cool headed, its slightly threatening and seems like part of the act, you were a little disrespectful, but so was I, all in all this is amazing conversation, thank you.

I've never gotten the chance to confront a Mason directly, you guys are pretty good, but your word play techniques are a little old, but I guess if it ain't broken, don't fix it. The majority of people just fold to the use of power wording that makes them feel subconsciously defeated and incorrect...

I still would enjoy your response to the Washington letter.

That's consistent with Freemasonic ideals -- to overcome the "every man for himself mentality" and help provide for others. That has ALWAYS been a leading tenet of Freemasonry. On the other hand, almost every demographic marker suggests that, contrary to the previous generations having "social bad habits", they were actually more virtuous than each subsequent generation. Look at philanthropy, volunteerism and public service: every year, the average individual contributions in these fields has gone DOWN. Frankly, for claiming to be optimistic about the future of society, I think you're likely to be disappointed.



Congratulations for managing to mischaracterize so much in so few words! And extra bonus points for the ad hominemery. You're conveniently forgetting that there is a huge percentage of the US populous who believes that they deserve something for nothing. They are dragging everyone down. We've produced a generation of spoiled brats who have no idea what it's like to actually have to struggle for their survival. For those who actually ARE having to struggle for their survival (not just struggling to pay their $100 a month cell phone bill or buy a new iPhone), Freemasons have -- as I've already pointed out -- donated more money and help than any other organization in this country. As just one example: there are 22 Shrine hospitals in North America that provide desperately needed health care to over 125,000 children. AT ZERO COST TO THEM. Working class Masons like myself, underwrite all of this. What do we get out of it? The satisfaction of helping those who need it. And endless grief and nonsense from people like you.

Your blather about Cuba is cute, in that tired old college-freshman-who-just-discovered-Marx sort of way, but it's something you _will_ eventually grow out of. In exchange for Cuba supposedly being able to save your two severed fingers, you get to pay in this fun way:

Your media will be censored by the State.

You cannot access the internet, which the State has declared "the great disease of the 21st century".

You can vote for any candidate, so long as they belong to the one political party that there is.

You cannot leave Cuba without written permission from the State, which is seldom granted.

You cannot demonstrate in public, nor can you criticize the State.

You cannot change jobs without permission from the State.

Your average monthly income will be about $17.

But at least you'll get to keep your fingers! That's a good thing, because instead of sitting in your cubicle and surfing the internet for a living, you'll be working in a canning factory until you're 70, at which point your pension will be reduced $9 a month. Yay -- Cuba leads the way!



Oh, absolutely. People who commit crimes are the TRUE victims. "I blame society! Society made me what I am!" ("Duke" in "Repo Man") Oh, and "Free Mumia!"



Ooh -- You remember reading an article! Proof positive! By the way -- the "Weekly World News" called; they want to know where to send your free subscription.



And you know it's "horrific"...how? Because you've seen it firsthand? Hardly. You've read undocumented allegations on conspiracy sites, created from their author's imaginations; nothing more.

No Masonic ritual depicts anything more "horrific" than what is routinely depicted in any Christian church.



There IS no "body on the stretcher"; there's an effigy on a bier. There ARE no "screams of the person's death", there's an actor impersonating the sound of the personification of Care being sacrificed. Walter Cronkhite does the voice-over for the ceremony, for chrissakes! As if this is the only such play that involves themes like this! If you're already hunting for spooks, you'll find them everywhere. Nearly all of them are fakes, but apparently you have yet to develop the skills to differentiate the real from the fake.



Proof that you know even less about politics than previously suggested. Perhaps you can provide us with the actual "law" that politicians are supposedly breaking by meeting in private. Really: I'd like to see it. The fact is that politicians USUALLY meet in private. Apparently, this is news to you. Do you really think that when there's a summit at Camp David, reporters are sitting in the room?



There IS NO "Masonic Bible". There is a standard King James Bible that also contains some information in the front or back of the book about the history of Freemasonry as it supposedly relates to the stories in the Bible (e.g., the construction of Solomon's Temple).

"Truth-seeking"? Hardly! You're a tinfoil hat-wearer, willing to accept any claim about an organization you're determined to vilify, without requiring one shred of evidence. Where's your "evidence" about ANY of the claims you've made? From primary sources? From personal experience? From eyewitnesses? From unbiased observers? Nope. From conspiracy theory sites written by anonymous people who themselves have no firsthand experience or primary sources. One big circle-jerk of suspicion.



O noez! Robes! General peculiarity!

Do you realize how absurd you sound? Masonic robes are no more sinister than those worn by Catholic or C. of E. clergy, or revelers at the Carnivale in Venice, or on any Hallowe'en night. You want to see creepy-looking outfits?

[link to blogs.sun-sentinel.com]



Clearly, because you've proven yourself to be unswayable; as dogmatic as any Scientologist, determined to see Suppressive Persons behind every innocent face. You choose to vilify Freemasonry despite the fact that it (1) venerates god with every ritual, (2) that it promotes freedom of thought and action (and was largely responsible for creating democracy as we know it), (3) that it is the closest thing on earth to a "brotherhood of man", uniting people across all artificial boundaries, (4) that it was highly regarded by some of the greatest men of the past 4 centuries, and (5) that it donates over a billion dollars a year to the needy (rather difficult to reconcile that to your image of it being greedy and diabolical).

No, because it's "secret" and because that has caused people like you to build up layer upon layer of nonsense over the years (read about the "Taxil Hoax" for a perfect example), you are determined to believe the bad, rather than the good. Well, I have better things to do with my time than keep banging against your closed mind. I posted here because I was surprised to see so many people unquestioniningly subscribing to idiotic claims like "Barack Obama has been confirmed to be a 32nd Degree Prince Hall Mason". Curiously, even though that's been completely disproved here, you're silent on that point, although I suspect that some of the more open-minded readers here might have recognized that these claims are bunk and that others were foolish for having claimed them.

Enjoy your little conspiracy-wank. I won't be back to read your response.

Obama is too fucking stupid to be a mason.

Well now, THAT is a different tack! I'm sorry I didn't see it before I finished replying to your previous post.

OK, disregard the snide comments I made in my most recent post. If you're _genuinely_ willing to try to understand what Freemasonry is about, I'll try to answer questions. But you have to understand that I can't tell you whatever you want to know, but I can try to help correct a lot of the misconceptions about Freemasonry.

Idiot.

Initially, I came here to point out that the supposed "proof" of Obama being a "32nd Degree Prince Hall Mason" was bunk. After that, things snowballed.



The book Washington refers to is almost certainly "Proofs of a Conspiracy" by John Robinson, a Scottish Freemason who claimed that Adam Weishaupt approached him to join his "Illuminati".

Two important questions: how accurate was Robinson's book and how credible its claims? And how much of a threat did the Illuminati ever pose to any religion or government?

Weishaupt was an odd man. Immensely intelligent, but his reach was far greater than his grasp. He wanted to change the world into his own image of what it should be like, but he lacked the means, despite thinking that Freemasonry would furnish them. His group never had more than a couple of thousand members, and its influence, beyond certain intellectual circles, was negligible.

In his two letters to Snyder, Washington states that he believes that the ideas of the Illuminati and of "Jacobinism" (radical/revolutionary idealogues) were present in individuals in the US, both within and without Freemasonry. However, he emphasizes that he believed that the institution itself seemed to be free of such tendencies. Indeed, Freemasonry has proven to be more conservative (in the apolitical sense) than the US Government itself, and would naturally have resisted "Jacobinism" of its own accord.

Interesting documents, those letters.

By the way, there's another author named John Robinson -- a 20th century historian who specialized in Medieval history. Through his research, he found evidence that the Freemasons were direct descendants of the Knights Templar. His book, "Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry" led to a second, "Dungeon, Fire and Sword: The Knights Templar in the Crusades". Eventually, Robinson himself became a Mason, and wrote his final book, "A Pilgrim's Path: Freemasonry and the Religious Right".

I'm not a Medieval scholar so I can't vouch for his theses, but they were critically well-received, they're very interesting reads and they outline a lot of the history of Freemasonry. I recommend them. They're probably available at your local library. Amazon has useful reviews of all 3 books.

Dear Brainwashed mason,

Your org is pyramid based. Those at the bottom know nothing and are lied to about the true nature of the organization. The higher you go in the org, the more you know. Compartmentalization is how all secret societies are structured.

At the top, freemasonry is evil. It seeks to create a New World Order and One World Religion that worships Lucifer or Satan. Hear me now and believe me later.

+1

Anyone who has viewed Alex Jones' film "Dark Secrets" would have heard the black actor and singer from the 20s and 30s' Paul Robson, singing the friggen theme song of the illuminate deviates inside the GROVE! Paul Robson sent his friend and "comrade" Paul Marshall Davis the black writer to Hawaii in 1947 from Chicago. Later Paul Marshall Davis became "mentor" to a young Barak Obama from the ages of 6 to 16. You figure it out.

Bloody hell. We're back to THIS nonsense again?!

That's it. I'm through with you.

So he says that groups have used all socities and governments for an aim that is contrary to the good of the many is self evident as the prima ingreadent in all of them is man.

So now we are really just getting to this being accepted on a lunatic fringe site one can see how we are in this ass backwards world.

The principles of masonry are indisputable by all but architects (that is a construction site joke) Build it plumb line and square and you got something. That is the end of the sole purpose of masonry to build a temple to god in the hearts of man. If you think that is a bad thing then that is fine with me. Until the likes of those that want to constrain the world to only believe and act like them takes us all over the craft is no better or worse then most.

Join it, leave it, STFU no one is forcing you to..

btw how about all that stuff in GA.

Don't let the door hit you too hard on the way out. The red pill is not for everyone.

No fucking way am I joining YOUR 'secret society!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]
Here are a lot of freemasons in it... and shocking european parlament symbols.
About Obama, I'm very convinced he is a Freemason (there are also black freemason societies and for example, in the Philippines there are freemasons, everywhere. Sadam Hussein was a 33 degree. Colour, being right- or left-winged or religion is no problem if the only thing you want is power)


See also these video's. Very very interesting. Bill Schnoebelen.
[link to www.youtube.com]


...and this one of Leo Zagami:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Well said.

wow you are are one screwed up freek!! as a master mason i can tell you i came from a humble backround and upbringing with no connection to any elite or dark forces!! and all that crap about prussia and states in england is just mental!! were you sleeping in history class, or wait dont tell me its all just a big lie for your benifit, get a fucking grip man.

I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THE ONE WHO POSTED THIS COMMENT ABOVE. YOU MUST NOT BE A F&AM BROTHER. BECAUSE YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT PHA IS F&AM AND F&AM IS 0NE IN THE SAME.... PLEASE STOP POSTING IF YOU ARE A PRETENDER

What are you afraid of? Maybe your own shadow also? The masons are not out to suppress the world, they are about helping others in the community, doing charity work... ever heard of the shriners, or or the shriners non profit hospitals to help ill children? Oh there part of the masons also.... and for the quote below.... the scottish rite stops at the 33rd degree... there is no 34th. Just so you know.

What are you afraid of? Maybe your own shadow also? The masons are not out to suppress the world, they are about helping others in the community, doing charity work... ever heard of the shriners, or or the shriners non profit hospitals to help ill children? Oh there part of the masons also.... and for the quote below.... the scottish rite stops at the 33rd degree... there is no 34th. Just so you know.

I find it more interesting that his wife's first cousin is a rabbi.

Oh yeah!!! Well I'm a 69th level Fighter/Magic User with a +5 vorpal sub-machinegun and boots of whaffel-stomping...

I pretty much moved beyond the "secret handshakes" and "Countesigns" mentality right around the same time I left Cub Scouts.

Of course, I belong to a super-secret organization of World Wide Freedom Fighters, that have existed in the shadows since 2012 BC, and think 32nd Degree Prince Hall Masons are a bunch of inbred egomaniacs with severe mental and howdy doody problems...

u r just scared. now u r kissing but

Afraid of what? my shadow like you? your theories are bogus.... read something else beside conspiracy theories on line.... try learning the truth.

than you don't know anything about us...and you are ignorant

Q) How do you tell if a website is full of agenda and spin? A) It claims to be the ONLY place without those things.

FACT: Masonry welcomes Catholics. It is The Vatican who tells Catholics not be Masons. Despite this, there are Catholic Masons.

FACT: Masonry is a fraternity. All fraternities have "secret" rituals that brothers must share in order to become members. The rituals of various fraternities vary from the profound to the silly but this is male bonding 101 not part of some global agenda to enslave the world.

FACT: The cephus-library "proof" is a dead link.

It has been said before, but it bears repeating. Appearing at Masonic Lodges does not "prove" membership. Lodges are rented out to whomever will pay the fee.