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| DGN 
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| canislatrans
Coyote
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11/10/2008 3:38 PM
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No. People who follow the symbology and think it will save them are misled. You have to emulate the teachings of Jesus in your own life and perform good works. You must LOVE, and you must be loved. :)
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
| Jahservant
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11/10/2008 3:42 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Only the person who has excepted knows if he is a follower of Jah's son.
Many people have faith, but don't understand the meaning of his sacrifice for them. They think going to church and doing good things are the closer to get to heaven.
I know many Christians who pray to entities that were not in the bible.
Peace |
| gooderboy
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11/10/2008 3:45 PM
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... no. |
| Cassie :-)
Warning Do not L@@K into my AV
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11/10/2008 3:59 PM
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The Awesome Gospel of God
1) What you have: Sin. Just as every person you know breathes air, eats food and needs to sleep...every person has sin in his or her life. Sin is not a white, brown or black thing. It is not a male or female thing. It's a human thing.
Romans 3:23 "Yes, all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious ideal."
1 John 1:10 "If we claim we have not sinned, we are lying and calling God a liar, for He says we have sinned."
2) What you have coming: Eternal Death and Separation from God in Hell. Because of your sin, and because of God's perfection (His holiness), it was impossible for you to have a relationship with God.
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death."
3) What you need: Payment for your Sin. Sin is expensive. God requires that sin must be paid for. Not with money, of course, but with death. When you sinned, you were sentenced to receive the death penalty! But wait! What if
someone else--who had no sin of his own to die for--died in your place? Only one person is capable of doing that. His name is Jesus Christ. He had no sin of His own, but He went to the cross to die for your sins. He paid the price, so that you could live!
Romans 5:8 "But God showed His great love for us by sending Christ to die for us."
Romans 5:21 "Before, sin ruled over all men and brought them to death, but now God's kindness rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
4) What you need to do: Repent of your Sins. To repent means to change direction or to turn around. It means a willingness to turn away from sin and to begin living under the influence of God rather than under the influence of Satan. True repentance involves a 180 degree turn from sinning and participating in activities that glorify God.
Acts 3:19 "Now change your mind and attitude to God and turn to Him so He can cleanse away your sins and send you wonderful times of refreshment from the presence of the Lord."
5) What you are: Completely Forgiven. In order for you to receive God's complete forgiveness, you must confess or agree that you are a sinner in need of forgiveness. Once God forgives you, your sins are gone. Forever! He will never bring up the subject of your sin again.
1 John 1:9 "But if we confess our sins to Him, He can be depended on to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong."
Psalm 103:12 "He has removed our sins as far away from us as the east is from the west."
6) What you will become: More like Jesus. The word Christian means "Little Christ" and the whole purpose of giving your life to Jesus is to become more like Him and to honor Him by living according to His example and His
teachings. If this sounds hard, remember that you don't have to do this on your own. God gives you the power of His Holy Spirit to encourage you and to
work in you to live a successful Christian life.
Philippians 1:6 "And I am sure that God who began the good work within you will keep right on helping you grow in His grace until His task within you is finally finished on that day when Jesus Christ returns."
7) What you now have: A Relationship with God. When you became a Christian, you entered into a relationship. Christianity is a relationship with God, not a religion. There are many religions, but there is only one way to have
a relationship with God, and that is through Jesus Christ.
John 10:10 "My purpose is to give life in all its fullness."
John 15:14-15 "And you are my friends if you obey me. I no longer call you slaves, for a master doesn't confide in his slaves; now you are my friends, proven by the fact that I have told you everything the Father told me."
8) What your relationship with God is based on: The Unconditional Love of God. God loves you because you are His beloved child. He loves you so much that He gave His only Son for you. He doesn't love you because you are
talented, good looking, nice, popular or have important friends. He won't stop loving you if you become discouraged, angry or disobedient. There is nothing you can do to make God love you any more or any less than He does
right now.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world so much that He gave His only Son so that anyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."
1 John 4:10 "In this act we see what real love is: it is not our love for God, but His love for us when He sent His Son to satisfy God's anger against our sins."
9) What you do in return: Love God. Above all the good things you could ever do as a Christian, loving God is at the top of the list. How do you love God? Here are just a few ways: by obeying Him, by being with His people (the
Church), by spending time with Him in prayer, by reading the Bible, and by loving other people.
Matthew 22:37-38 "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. This is the first and greatest commandment."
1 John 5:3 "Loving God means doing what He tells us to do, and really, that isn't hard at all."
10) What will keep you going: Faith. Remember, God did not give you eternal life because you said the right words, went to the right meeting, gave the right amount of money or did the right thing. He forgave you because you put
your faith in Him. With this same faith you must walk with Him every day of your life. When things are going well, have faith. When things are going badly, have faith. Keep trusting Him and believing Him...by faith!
2 Corinthians 5:7 "We know these things are true by believing, not by seeing."
Maybe you are saying "I don't know what to say, I don't know the words." Then just pray this simple prayer...MEANING IT IN YOUR HEART....BELIEVING IT
IN YOUR HEART.
"Dear God, I am a sinner. I know that the price of my sin is death and eternal separation from your presence. I don't want to be doomed forever. I want that gift your Word speaks of. I want eternal life. I know that nobody
is worthy and nothing I could ever do could earn me a place in Heaven, so I ask you now that you forgive me of my sins. I accept your son, Jesus Christ, as my personal Lord and Savior. I believe in my heart that only through Him
can I be saved. Thank you God for hearing my prayer and answering it. In Jesus name I ask all these things, with faith and thankfulness. Amen."
If you just prayed that prayer, and really meant it, then you are saved.
John 10:28-30 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the
Father are one."
John 8:11 "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,
but will have the light of life."
Romans 8:1-6 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do
in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace."
Jesus loves you!
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever should believe in Him should have everlasting life."
The Awesome Gospel of God
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
[link to www.jcsm.org]
"Go with God and may the Holy Spirit give opportunity to share the saving knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ with your friends. Because "Friends don´t let Friends die without Jesus" |
| canislatrans
Coyote
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11/10/2008 4:01 PM
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I think Cassie is a bot.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
| jlazarus
just me :)
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11/10/2008 4:02 PM
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Almost all Fundamental and Evangelical Christian Churches would affirm that accepting Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Savior = Being a "Christian".
That doesn't mean everyone else agrees with that statement.
But if you were to go to a Southern Baptist Convention and ask that question, the answer would be a deafening yes.
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein |
| jlazarus
just me :)
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11/10/2008 4:05 PM
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I think it becomes a semantic game myself.
I get what Cassie is saying - because it is 'supported' in scripture - i.e., good works alone can't "save" a soul.
The question for many is not "what makes one a Christian" but rather....
Is Christianity the only path to Enlightenment?
Or (as a evangelical might ask) "God and everlasting life"?
That is debatable for many.
I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. ~ Robert Heinlein |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Almost all Fundamental and Evangelical Christian Churches would affirm that accepting Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Savior = Being a "Christian".
That doesn't mean everyone else agrees with that statement.
But if you were to go to a Southern Baptist Convention and ask that question, the answer would be a deafening yes. Quoting: jlazarus
Yep that is the way I've always heard it too |
| riker
make it so
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11/10/2008 4:07 PM
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Nope. Just deluded.
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 4:18 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
No. People who follow the symbology and think it will save them are misled. You have to emulate the teachings of Jesus in your own life and perform good works. You must LOVE, and you must be loved. :) Quoting: canislatrans
Interesting that a WOLF says that you must have RELIGION to try to BUY your way into heaven by GOOD WORKS.
You're exactly like the Pharisées you old WOLF.
What you you present here WOLF is the same as the WOLVES in the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH presents a WORKS SALVATION.
Hey good luck with that one, you're like the people that try to pay for the presents they get at their birthday.
SALVATION is FREE.
Let me finish by saying that you WOLF is a DORK and an evil one at that. |
| Elijah 
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11/10/2008 4:20 PM
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Faith without works is a contradiction. Works without faith is insufficient.
"I screamed at God for all the starving children, and then I realized that all of the starving children were God screaming at me." |
| canislatrans
Coyote
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11/10/2008 4:25 PM
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Let me finish by saying that you WOLF is a DORK and an evil one at that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427089
You sound filled with the love of Jesus Christ. Also, it's a coyote, not a wolf. Says so in both my username and the line just beneath it. You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension, especially if you're about to try and tell someone off.
Matthew 7:1-2 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matthew 7:3-5 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
“Not that which goeth into the mouth defilith a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defilith a man” (Matthew 15:11 )
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. |
| riker
make it so
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11/10/2008 4:29 PM
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The biggest conspiracy of all is the lie that we NEED to be SAVED in the first place.
Read "The Story of B", by Daniel Quinn.
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 4:35 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
George Bush claims to accept Jesus as saviour. One has to do as Jesus says. That means separation from Rome. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 4:35 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
God is the white light; one.
We exist in the rainbow; many.
Take a white light, put it thru a prism. Notice that, in a rainbow, there are no color bands of white. We are in a seperation from the white light, sin. What does sin mean in latin?
Now, we are about to go up. This is a creation we are doing, hence an immersion in the rainbow. This going up will be like a lifting out of the immersion. We will still be in the rainbow, but it will be like taking our finger out of the light socket.
This going up entails getting closer to god; a better knowledge, less sin. |
| King James
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11/10/2008 4:50 PM
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Salvation is not based on works. Thus, there will be "good" people in hell and "bad" people in heaven...
The truth of the matter is we're all inherently defective in a sense. We sin by nature, it's within all of us and will never, ever go away in this life. Nothing we could ever do could save ourselves.
Salvation is but a free gift. Just look to the thief on the cross next to Jesus... He believed, had no good works behind it, yet went on to live in paradise according to Jesus' own words.
Works are faith manifest into something tangible... However, works alone don't equal salvation. There are plenty of unbelievers out there who do great things for humanity yet do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. But according to the Bible, these people are not saved. If this is the case, it must also be true that there can be those that are saved, yet do not make it public either.
The bottom line is that "being a Christian" does not have a universal definition to us all... And I think the basic definition of "being Christ-like" is more attainable some days than others. It's a constant battle and for people to say they've reached total perfection and sin no more... Well, they're delusional.
So, we must accept everyone as equals. Besides, good works with bad intentions are not really "good" works. But it's impossible for us to know the intent of another's heart. Many people do things that have the appearance of giving of themselves freely, yet they only do it for recognition or something else in return... Is this really a good work?
So back to the question... Does accepting Jesus make someone a Christian? Yes, but only if we all understand that Christians are still sinful by nature and human like the everyone else. |
| riker
make it so
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11/10/2008 4:54 PM
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YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE "SAVED".
It's a freakin controlling farce.
There is nothing wrong with the human race, just the totalitarian type of culture that has dominated the last 10,000 years.
There is another way to live. It's the culture that is harmful and should be scrapped, not the human race!
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
| riker
make it so
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11/10/2008 4:57 PM
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Making us dance...
There was a planet.... where people lived as all others live, simply eating whatever came to hand. But after ages of living this way, they noticed it was very easy to promote the regrowth of their favorite foods. You might say they found a few easy steps that would have this result. They didn't have to take these steps in order to stay alive, but if they took them, their favorite foods were always more readily available. These were, of course, the steps of a dance.
A few steps of the dance, performed just three or four days a month, enriched their lives greatly and took almost no effort. As here on earth, the people of this planet were not a single people but many peoples, and as time went on, each people developed it's own approach to the dance. Some continued to dance just a few steps three or four days a month. Others found it made sense for them to have even more of their favorite foods, so they danced a few steps every second or third day. Still others saw no reason why they shouldn't live mostly on their favorite foods, so they dance a few steps every single day. Things went on this way for tens of thousands of years among the people of the planet, who thought of themselves of living in the hands of God and leaving everything to God. For this reason, they called themselves Leavers.
But one group of Leavers eventually said to themselves, "Why should we just live partially on the foods we favor? All we have to do is devote a lot more time to dancing." So this one particular group took to dancing several hours a day. Because they thought of themselves as taking their welfare into their own hands, we'll call them Takers. The results were spectacular. The Takers were inundated with their favorite foods. A manager class soon emerged to look after the accumulation and storage of surpluses-something that had never been necessary when everyone was just dancing a few hours a week. The members of this manager class were far too busy to do any dancing themselves, and since their work was so critical, they soon came to be regarded as social and political leaders. But after a few years these leaders of the Takers began to notice that food production was dropping, and they went out to see what was going wrong. What they found was that the dancers were slacking off. They weren't dancing several hours a day, they were dancing only an hour or two and sometimes not even that much. The leaders asked why.
"What's the point of all this dancing?" the dancers asked. "It isn't necessary to dance seven or eight hours a day to get the food we need. There's plenty of food even if we just dance an hour a day. We're never hungry. So why shouldn't we relax and take life easy, the way we used to do?"
The leaders saw things very differently, of course. If the dancers went back to living the way they used to, then the leaders would soon have to do the same, and that didn't appeal to them at all. They considered and tried many different schemes to encourage or cajole or tempt or shame or force the dancers into dancing longer hours, but nothing worked until one of them came up with the idea of locking up the food.
"What will that do?" he was asked.
"The reason the dancers aren't dancing right now is that they just have to reach out and take the food they want. If we lock it away, they won't be able to do that."
"But if we lock the food away, the dancers will starve to death!"
"No, no, you don't understand," the other said with a smile. "We'll link dancing to receiving food-so much food for so much dancing. So if the dancers dance a little, they'll get a little food, and if they dance a lot, they'll get a lot. This way, slackers will always be hungry, and dancers who dance for long hours will have full stomachs."
"They'll never put up with such an arrangement," he was told.
"They'll have no choice. We'll lock the food away in storehouses, and the dancers will either dance or they'll starve."
"The dancers will break into the storehouses."
"We'll recruit guards from among the dancers. We'll excuse them from dancing and have them guard the storehouses instead. We'll pay them the same way we pay the dancers, with food-so much food for so many hours of guarding."
"It will never work," he was told.
But oddly enough it did work. It worked even better than before, for now, with the food under lock and key, there were always plenty of dancers willing to dance, and many were glad to be allowed to dance ten hours, twelve hours, even fourteen hours every single day.
Putting the food under lock and key had other consequences as well. For example, in the past, ordinary baskets had been good enough to hold the surplus food being produced. But these proved to be too flimsy for the huge surpluses now being produced. Potters had to take over for basket-makers, and they had to learn how to make bigger pots than ever before, which meant building larger and more efficient kilns. And because not all dancers took kindly to the idea of food being locked away, the guards had to be equipped with better weapons than before, which meant that toolmakers began looking at new materials to replace the stone weapons of the past - copper, bronze, and so on. As metals became available for use in weapons, other artisans found uses for them. Each new craft gave birth to others.
But forcing the dancers to dance for ten or twelve hours a day had an even more important consequence. Population growth is inherently a function of food availability. If you increase the food available to any population of any species, that population will grow-provided it has space into which to grow. And of course the Takers had plenty of space into which to grow-their neighbors' space.
They were perfectly willing to grow peacefully into their neighbors' space. They said to the Leavers around them, "Look, why don't you start dancing the way we do? Look at how far we've come dancing this way. We have things you can't even dream of having. The way you dance is terribly inefficient and unproductive. They way we dance is the way people were MEANT to dance. So let us move into your territory, and we'll show you how it's done."
Some of the folks around them thought this sounded like a good idea, and they embraced the Taker way. But others said, "We're doing fine the way we are. We dance a few hours a week, and that's all we care to dance. We think you're crazy to knock yourselves out dancing fifty and sixty hours a week, but that's your business. If you like it, you do it. But we're not going to do it."
The Takers expanded around the holdouts and eventually isolated them. One of these holdout peoples were the Singe, who were used to dancing a couple hours a day to produce the foods they favored. At first they lived as before. But then their children began to be jealous of the things Taker children had, and they started offering to dance a few hours a day for the Takers and to help guard the food storehouses. After a few generations the Singe were completely assimilated into the Taker life style and forgot that they had ever been the Singe.
Another holdout people were the Kemke, who were used to dancing just a few hours a week and who loved the leisure this lifestyle gave them. They were resolved not to let happen to them what had happened to the Singe, and they stuck to their resolve. But soon the Takers came to them and said, "Look, we can't let you have all this land in the middle of our territory. You're not making efficient use of it. Either start dancing the way we dance or we're going to have to move you into one corner of your territory so we can put the rest to good use." But the Kemke refused to dance like the Takers, so the Takers came and moved them into one corner of their land, which they called a "reservation", meaning it was "reserved" for the Kemke. But the Kemke were used to getting most of their food by foraging, and their little reservation just wasn't big enough to sustain a foraging people. The Takers said to them, "That's all right, we'll keep you supplied with food. All we want you to do is stay out of the way on your reservation." So the Takers began supplying them with food. Gradually the Kemke forgot how to do their own hunting and gathering, and of course the more they forgot, the more dependent they became on the Takers. They began to feel like worthless beggars, lost all sense of self-respect, and fell into alcoholism and suicidal depression. In the end their children saw nothing on the reservation worth staying for and drifted off to start dancing ten hours a day for the Takers.... Another tribe called the Waddi tried to resist to the point of war, but the Takers had many more people for reinforcements in war and surplus food that the Waddi's didn't have. As the war dragged on, the Waddi force became smaller and smaller and weaker and weaker, and before long the invaders wiped them out completely.
This was the pattern not only for years ahead but for the centuries and millennia ahead. Food production increased relentlessly and the Taker population increased endlessly, impelling them to expand into one land after another. Everywhwere they went, they met peoples who danced a few hours weekly or monthly, and all these peoples were given the same choice that had been given to the Singe, the Kemke, and the Waddi: Join us and let us put all your food under lock and key - or be destroyed. In the end, however, this choice was only an illusion, because they were destroyed whatever they did, whether they chose to be assimilated, allowed themselves to be driven onto a reservation, or tried to repel the invaders by force. The Takers left nothing in their way but Takers as they stormed across the world.
And it finally came to pass, after ten thousand years, that almost the entire population of the planet were Takers. There were just a few remnants or Leaver peoples hidden away in deserts and jungles that the Takers either didn't want or hadn't gotten around to yet. And there was none among the Takers who doubted that the Taker way was the way that people were meant to live. What could be sweeter than having your food locked away and having to dance eight, ten, or twelve hours a day in order to stay alive?
In school, this was the history their children learned. People like them had been around for ages, but for most of that time they were unaware of the fact that dancing would encourage the regrowth of their favorite foods. This fact had been discovered only ten thousand years ago, by the founders of their culture. Joyously locking away their food so that they couldn't get at it, the Takers immediately began dancing eight or ten hours a day. The people around them had never danced before, but they took it up enthusiastically, seeing at once that this was the way people were meant to live. Except for a few scattered people who were too dim-witted to perceive the obvious advantages of having their food locked away, the Great Dancing Revolution swept across the world without opposition.
From "My Ishmael", by Daniel Quinn, 1996 Bantam Books
So this is how liberty dies.... with thunderous applause. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 5:00 PM | | Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 5:14 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
God is the white light; one.
We exist in the rainbow; many.
Take a white light, put it thru a prism. Notice that, in a rainbow, there are no color bands of white. We are in a seperation from the white light, sin. What does sin mean in latin?
Now, we are about to go up. This is a creation we are doing, hence an immersion in the rainbow. This going up will be like a lifting out of the immersion. We will still be in the rainbow, but it will be like taking our finger out of the light socket.
This going up entails getting closer to god; a better knowledge, less sin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17925
Maybe, then, this giving of yourself, ie Jesus, is a mental thing; like admitting to god that you do not know. Maybe its that mental construct that will enble you to move up, instead of being kept in the immersion?
I am very secular; god has been in my heart; felt no need to say another pserns' prayer to talk to god.
I had a very introspective look at myself once. I asked myself, "do I want to live or die?" I decide I want to live. Then I realized I want to be good; it goes along with wanting to live. Then I gave my will to god. Why, because I do not know, really, what is going on; god does. Meaning if you do not know the full story, ie what is going on, you do not know what do to to make it better. And maybe its this mentality that you need to have in order to leave this present immersion?
They say that Jesus was the Son. I resonate with that, I mean Jesus was able to do all the miracles. But, Jesus died on the cross. I see that as the will of the Father.
The change comes from the Father. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2008 5:15 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
No, you must also live a life of sin on the weekdays and holiness on sundays. You must also close your mind to all other religions as devil temptations, spout your religious dogma to everyone who doesnt care, and be pro life, and enjoy listening to preaching fundamentalists.
It also helps to have no capacity for independent thought. |
| Lost Fisherman
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11/10/2008 5:16 PM
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Interesting that a WOLF says that you must have RELIGION to try to BUY your way into heaven by GOOD WORKS.
You're exactly like the Pharisées you old WOLF.
What you you present here WOLF is the same as the WOLVES in the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH presents a WORKS SALVATION.
Hey good luck with that one, you're like the people that try to pay for the presents they get at their birthday.
SALVATION is FREE.
Let me finish by saying that you WOLF is a DORK and an evil one at that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427089
AC obviously doesn't read Canis' posts (that's a coyote, BTW; and if you can't tell it says so in the handle) or he would realize the folly of his statements.
AC may want to brush up on 2 James. You know - the passages that deprecate faith without works.
AC may want to look more closely at the RC church too - as it is outlined in the Bible, we preach a gifted salvation as witnessed by our works.
Finally, AC takes a very un-Christian stance when referring to Canis as a dork. I guess we can know the AC by his works, in this case the works that he types. I think this is referred to as hypocrisy.
Shall we all pray for the AC to be released from his errors and his anger?
Why can I never find Elmer when I need him?
And those who were heard to be insane were thought to be dancing by those who could not see the music. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 545914
11/10/2008 5:20 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Salvation is not based on works. Thus, there will be "good" people in hell and "bad" people in heaven...
The truth of the matter is we're all inherently defective in a sense. We sin by nature, it's within all of us and will never, ever go away in this life. Nothing we could ever do could save ourselves.
Salvation is but a free gift. Just look to the thief on the cross next to Jesus... He believed, had no good works behind it, yet went on to live in paradise according to Jesus' own words.
Works are faith manifest into something tangible... However, works alone don't equal salvation. There are plenty of unbelievers out there who do great things for humanity yet do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. But according to the Bible, these people are not saved. If this is the case, it must also be true that there can be those that are saved, yet do not make it public either.
The bottom line is that "being a Christian" does not have a universal definition to us all... And I think the basic definition of "being Christ-like" is more attainable some days than others. It's a constant battle and for people to say they've reached total perfection and sin no more... Well, they're delusional.
So, we must accept everyone as equals. Besides, good works with bad intentions are not really "good" works. But it's impossible for us to know the intent of another's heart. Many people do things that have the appearance of giving of themselves freely, yet they only do it for recognition or something else in return... Is this really a good work?
So back to the question... Does accepting Jesus make someone a Christian? Yes, but only if we all understand that Christians are still sinful by nature and human like the everyone else. Quoting: King James
Sin is transgression of the law. The law was never done away with, that is not why Jesus came. Scripture does not support the end of the law or sin.
There is grace for sin, only after repentance, repentance for breaking of the law. This law serves as a mirror so that we may know or sin. The law itself doesn't save us, that is done only with the Blood of Christ.
The "works" you refer to is the works of the Jews as found in the OT mosaic law and condemned in Gal.3. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311438
11/10/2008 5:23 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
The invitation to believe in Jesus Christ is given to the whole world, and no one is left out of that invitation. The problem is that people reject the invitation, to believe in Jesus Christ, and to receive eternal life.
Most people in this world claim to believe in God, but most of them do not know the one and only true God. There are many hundreds of millions of false gods in this world. When a person says he believes in God, he may very well believe in a false god.
The same may be true, when a person claims to believe in Jesus Christ. Many people claim to believe in Jesus Christ, but most of them do not know who He really is.
First of all, they do not know, that because He is the Son of God, He is God; futhermore, He created all there is, He is the God of creation, He is Lord God Almighty.
Secondly, they do not know what it means, that He died for our sins; they think that it means, that He died because of our sins. They don’t know that He took our sins upon Himself, and died in our place, as our substitute; He made full and complete atonement for all our sins, when He died for us.
They don’t know that He died for us because He loved us; furthermore, because He loves us, He now intercedes for us.
Every false religion, in this world, requires that a person do some form of work, in order to be accepted by God. True Christianity credits God with having accomplished all that needs to be done to save sinners.
The true believer is someone who rests in the finished work of Christ |
| Lost Fisherman
User ID: 226145
11/10/2008 5:27 PM
| | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Looks like nobody is going to go look at 2 Timothy, so here are the pertinent passages:
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Why can I never find Elmer when I need him?
And those who were heard to be insane were thought to be dancing by those who could not see the music. |
| Lost Fisherman
User ID: 226145
11/10/2008 5:36 PM
| | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Every false religion, in this world, requires that a person do some form of work, in order to be accepted by God. True Christianity credits God with having accomplished all that needs to be done to save sinners. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
Matthew, chapter 25:
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
32 and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
44 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Why can I never find Elmer when I need him?
And those who were heard to be insane were thought to be dancing by those who could not see the music. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 536045
11/10/2008 5:41 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 548015
11/10/2008 5:43 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
No it just makes you an idiot. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13493
11/10/2008 5:45 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
They don’t know that He died for us because He loved us; furthermore, because He loves us, He now intercedes for us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
Bah. Jesus died
************BECAUSE WE KILLED HIM************** |
| e-brain
User ID: 541625
11/10/2008 5:46 PM | | Re: Does accepting Jesus as savior make one a Christian? | Quote |
Who's on first?
You know the speed of light? Well, what's the speed of dark?
It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. |
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